Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #5

chasingpavements wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:This show is so misleading though.

It makes it seem like Nick is what made everything go crazy when really it's really F1 and the lead with their early "you're the one" late night sessions.

Nick is just the scapegoat once again.

This is just my opinion (as always!), but I think it was because Kaitlyn wanted her cake and to eat it too. She definitely wanted Nick there, as you can tell by how smitten she was with him in NY, letting him stay despite Shawn's objections, giving him the rose on his first group date, giving him the first 1-on-1 in Ireland, and, of course, having sex with him. But, she wasn't willing to even allow for the possibility that Shawn would leave, in case she ultimately decided she wanted him over Nick, so she told him that he was the one (when, in reality, she probably didn't know for sure at that point) and possibly had sexual relations with him too (judging from the sneak peek with Ben H). I think that if she had just said to Shawn "I'm falling for you, but I also have strong feelings for Nick. Please just trust the process and trust our relationship while I figure this out", it wouldn't have become this whole thing. Instead, she tells Shawn he's the one and she laughs at Shawn's jokes about committing suicide after spending a day with Nick. I almost can't blame the guy for being so over-confident and then going crazy the second he realizes it's not 100% him.

I think that Shawn's jealousy would have come out, whether Nick was there or not, but I feel like Kaitlyn would have been able to handle it better if it was just Jared he was worried about. Nick actually IS a real threat to Shawn and I personally think that Kaitlyn is too afraid to admit that to him.

AllAboutLove wrote:(Snipped)
I am thinking we are going to see a devastated Nick at FRC. Just a feeling. He is fine now but I don't think he was then. #bubblebummer

SueSt wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:(Snipped)
I am thinking we are going to see a devastated Nick at FRC. Just a feeling. He is fine now but I don't think he was then. #bubblebummer

I really hope you're wrong AAL.  
Nick does seem fine now, really fine.
I hope and pray and believe he has it in perspective of his greater purpose.

IrishGal wrote:Or maybe the proposal was part of an agreement he made with TPTB to come back on the show...that if he made it to Final 2 he would propose on camera.

Lucas15 wrote:

IrishGal wrote:Or maybe the proposal was part of an agreement he made with TPTB to come back on the show...that if he made it to Final 2 he would propose on camera.

Maybe it was something that he actually wanted the chance to do.

Perhaps he felt cheated last season because he was eliminated before he had a chance to make his best "pitch" and was reduced to trying to reconnect to make that pitch, and ultimately having to write a letter to make it. Perhaps he would have felt cheated again if Kaitlyn had not allowed him to speak his piece and express all he felt.

OnePromise wrote:This is what I was trying to say in another thread, but was shut down.  This is exactly how I would feel about it.  I would want to get everything off my chest, to know I truly gave it my all.  Last season Nick was surprised by being let go the morning of the FRC and leaving without closure leading to the letter writing storyline.  This time I think he wanted to say his piece and fully express his thoughts so that if Kaitlyn turned him down he could go home at peace, staying true to himself and putting it all out there, risking it all for love.  His motto.

Lucas15 wrote:

OnePromise wrote:This is what I was trying to say in another thread, but was shut down.  This is exactly how I would feel about it.  I would want to get everything off my chest, to know I truly gave it my all.  Last season Nick was surprised by being let go the morning of the FRC and leaving without closure leading to the letter writing storyline.  This time I think he wanted to say his piece and fully express his thoughts so that if Kaitlyn turned him down he could go home at peace, staying true to himself and putting it all out there, risking it all for love.  His motto.

Sorry I missed that because (as should be obvious) I wouldn't have shut the thought down. We may find out - or we may never know - but I do see the possibility that Nick wanted to get everything off his chest and out there to Kaitlyn and in letting him propose Kaitlyn gave him the chance he wanted. It's too bad for Nick that the answer wasn't what he wanted but at least she had the chance.

AllAboutLove wrote:

SueSt wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:(Snipped)
I am thinking we are going to see a devastated Nick at FRC. Just a feeling. He is fine now but I don't think he was then. #bubblebummer

I really hope you're wrong AAL.  
Nick does seem fine now, really fine.
I hope and pray and believe he has it in perspective of his greater purpose.

Hope I am wrong too but if he was really feeling it (and not just following TPTB orders) enough to pick out a ring and propose? I could see Kaitlyn stopping him before he gets on his knee (as he likely will) but if she doesn't and he proposes? I see a shell-shocked Nick who tweeted "It's always cloudy inside" a week after FRC day.

That being said, he is just fine now!

OnePromise wrote:

Lucas15 wrote:

OnePromise wrote:This is what I was trying to say in another thread, but was shut down.  This is exactly how I would feel about it.  I would want to get everything off my chest, to know I truly gave it my all.  Last season Nick was surprised by being let go the morning of the FRC and leaving without closure leading to the letter writing storyline.  This time I think he wanted to say his piece and fully express his thoughts so that if Kaitlyn turned him down he could go home at peace, staying true to himself and putting it all out there, risking it all for love.  His motto.

Sorry I missed that because (as should be obvious) I wouldn't have shut the thought down. We may find out - or we may never know - but I do see the possibility that Nick wanted to get everything off his chest and out there to Kaitlyn and in letting him propose Kaitlyn gave him the chance he wanted. It's too bad for Nick that the answer wasn't what he wanted but at least she had the chance.

Thanks Lucas! It is too bad that he didn't get the answer he wanted, but at least he got to ask the question and was not left wondering "what if".  To me, that might have been worse.  

stuckinsc wrote: (snipped)

I am not really worried about Nick.  He was engaged before the show, so I don't think he will be crushed to propose and get turned down.  He seems much more pragmatic about the show this time even during it and with him finding out this week about the extra time Shawn has gotten, I think he has a better idea that it isn't just him.  I think he really didn't have much of a clue about how close Andi and Josh were, TPTB purposely had them on different dates except for episode 4, where they were on different basketball teams, so Nick didn't see how Andi was around Josh. He has a better idea that someone else is in the bachelorette's heart this time. JMO.

Max64 wrote:I am finding myself becoming less and less interested in this season as it goes on, which is odd for me because usually it's the reverse of that. I liked Kaitlyn last season on CS season and was really excited for her to be the Bette, but I'm liking her less as time goes on.  To be honest, I'm disappointed that she didn't choose Nick as her f1, but more so, I'm disappointed in how she's treating him.  If she knew Shawn was "the one" and still had sex with Nick and continued to lead him on that way, knowing how he felt about her, I think that is pretty cruel.  I know it was Nicks choice to come and join the show, and he knew what he was getting into, but I think Nick's position is different because she had a relationship with him prior to filming.  Because Kaityn knew Nick, and quite well I believe, I would have hoped she would have treated him with more respect.