The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 7 Jun 29th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

happygolucky wrote:Honestly ... I really, really, really do hope that whoever believes Nick is a "master manipulator" is correct. I hope they're right.
I wish that to be true and I hope that in his grand-mastery he manipulated the whole thing till the end. That would be the best joke ever and I would finally laugh at this season.

HGL, I have been saying this for a year now.
I would rather laugh at this joke and this master manipulator for his master plan and acting, than to see a sensitive guy whose heart broke twice.

The thing is, they didn't even need Nick to come on the show to be a villain because there are already about 800 of them this season.

Every time I see Shawn brooding, I think he looks just like Barbra Streisand.

I'm really curious to see her blog and snapchat recap today.

She has really made a mess of things but it does crack me up that she's somehow convinced herself that the mistake wasn't sex with Nick but reassuring Shawn too much, but the Nick Sex will ruin her future and her happiness somehow, even though it's not a mistake. Wow. This is so logical!! Good for Kait. She can teach philosophy somewhere just in case being a reality tv star falls through as a career.

Oh and when she was talking to Nick at the cocktail party, I seriously had flashbacks to Gone Girl, where the philandering husband is trying to talk to the stupid 22 year old and convince her to not tell anyone about their affair. He's juuuuust on the edge of screaming at her and really freaking out, but he can't because he knows if he loses his cool, she'll tell, so he has to balance being nice and kind with being really, really, really clear that she better not breathe a word of this to anyone.

Shawn and Kaitlan were alone many times but it seem they did not have sex.  Why?  Maybe Shawn was the strong one and decided that sex would taint the appearance of their budding relationship and decided to keep it platonic as possible.  S&K building their tension filled relationship(no sex).  She's telling him that he's the one but yet he sees her making out with other guys and is not validating what she's telling him. Remember lack of sex in a relation where the two people are highly sexual would make some men very intense.  

Juxtapose to Nick.  Nick not building the same type of relationship.  Kaitlyn wants sex and so Nick hands it up. I am not seeing any real emotions in this relationship besides lust.  

I think this is why Shawn is pissed with Nick.  Nick knows the rules.  He been there before and knew that sex with SWSNBN was the catalyst in that previous relationship.  In Shawn's mind Nick played on Kaitlyn emotions which led to sex. I don't think he put the blame totally on Nick btw I think he was more sympathetic to Kaitlyn because of the stress of her position and thinking that Nick is a player. This is why I think after the intensity and BS they were able to find a balance.

Forgot one thing. Shawn is not the only one running to Kaitlyn's room. Seem Kaitlyn is also running to Shawn's room.

mercieme wrote:
saw many of you refer Kaitlyn as SWSNBN
may i ask, what does that mean?

It's sort of our equivalent to "that guy", or in this case "that girl"

chasingpavements wrote:... watching that whole episode, I feel like Kaitlyn is just TIRED. She seemed just drained emotionally after her second hotel talk with Shawn, and seemed stone-faced in her cocktail conversations with Ben, Shawn, and Nick.  I feel like she's had to deal with the most guys leaving and the most drama out of any Bachelorette, plus the guilt from sleeping with Nick. Even when Shawn was like I can't do this, she didn't seem as desperate to keep him as I thought she would get. Even in her ITM, she said something like "If someone says he can't do this, he's probably not the guy for me".

I do think the situation must suck for Nick - he slept with Kaitlyn and the next time he sees her, she's like "I made a lot of mistakes this week. Btw, I think you are a completely untrustworthy person who told everyone we had sex. ". Ouch.

I think certain things this episode were far less organic than some of the previous ones, and a lot more of production stirring the pot and that's why Kaitlyn seems so tired and emotionally drained. They knew she had sex with Nick; they knew she hadn't told Shawn and they knew she was obsessed with Shawn. So they kept pressure on her by having Shawn seek her out for conversations on "something" - anything - because they wanted her to go into a cold sweat every time Shawn knocks on her door - wondering if he finally found out before she could tell him. She has had to deal with the most guys leaving but so far I don't think she feels them to be any loss because they were going to leave sooner or later - either self inflicted or by her own choice.

The conversation she had with Nick really indicates to me two things - how obsessed she is with Shawn and afraid he will leave the show - or check out on her to the point that she can't pick him - and that she doesn't trust Nick because she felt a need to tell Nick not to say anything and even that was motivated by her obsession with Shawn. IMO it shows just how well Nick was cast because they used his past history against him to get to Kaitlyn who IMO knew what Nick had done on Andi's season and feared he would do the same to her. That shows a lack of trust of Nick and IMO a central reason why she would not / could not / did not pick him.

IMO Kaitlyn finally (perhaps long over due) got to expressing to Shawn what she should have said in San Antonio instead of just "you're the one". More like "I want you to be the one but there's things I have to do and things you have to put up with first - there's only one way it can happen because of the situation we are in".

I thought it was very interesting the way CH explained the reasons for changing the sequence of HTD and FD to Kaitlyn but believe there was a lot more behind it than what he said. It wasn't a "belly laugh" but I did chuckle when CH said they were changing things because Kaitlyn had spent a lot of alone time with some of the guys and they felt she needed to spend alone time with others so their relationships could catch up. And then tells her she will be giving out only 3 roses and eliminating 3 of the guys before FD. If you do the math on that to try and figure out who the 3 going on FD will be: it's going to be her F1, F2 and F3 and all the other relationships will end before the FD. IMO F3 is not a lead pick - that's a producer pick based on who - at the time - is at the top of their list for lead on the next show. So the lead only picks F1 and F2 now matter how differently it will be portrayed. Ben H's conversation with Kaitlyn foreshadows the circumstances surrounding his ultimate elimination which I suspect will be sort of like Chris S on Andi's season and Cupcake's elimination last night. Ben asked if he was just spinning his wheels and IMO she will tell Ben that she doesn't see a future between them / doesn't feel the romantic connection to him and she doesn't want him to waste his time because she respects his feelings.

So who's left to get private time and "catch up"??? F1 and F2 and it's been pretty apparent to me from the first time I learned that Nick was going on the show that he was going to either be F1 or F2 because that maximizes the drama (because of his history and the fact that viewers know his history) and they put him on for the drama. The relationship "catch up" isn't Nick - he already had enough alone time with Kaitlyn - the only one left to "catch up" is Shawn so IMO the schedule change was to give Kaitlyn alone time with Shawn - to be intimate with him and - perhaps - tell him about Nick. This last episode she expressed that the time wasn't right (ie too much risk of losing Shawn) and she's waiting for the right time to tell him - and trying to keep him from finding out beforehand from someone else, and all of this revolves around her obsession and how to deal with the mistake of having sex with Nick and it's impact on the relationship she's obsessed with.

It is not a healthy obsession but time will tell.  I woke up this morning thinking it is time I go back to watching the Todd Christie show anyone know if it is still running.  This season bachelorette leaves me exhausted last night I am over it.

I got kind of an odd feeling watching the episode and then reading CH blogs. They kept pointing out that K's mistake was not the sex with Nick but telling Shawn too early that he was the one and even K said the same things last week. I almost got the feeling that they want to make it seem like K had to accept S proposal because she could not go back on her saying he was the F1. Maybe she does have feelings for Nick and that's why she let him propose. Maybe she does not mention Nick because she still has feelings for him? I don't doubt she has feelings for Shawn and he sure is crazy about her but I am just worried that we won't be getting a happy couple at ATFR. We better get a SHV soon or I am really doubtful that this relationship survived past snap chat although she seemed very giddy last week..

Alanna wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

Alanna wrote:It's actually not a shv because she's with her family according to her snaps like 20 mins ago. Welp. I wonder if no more shvs thanks to the snapchat vid?

Unless they are not together anymore after the snap and just going through the remainder of the motions.

Of course, anything is possible, I don't think her interviews/sm indicate that and she never seems to care to BS anything, but we'll see.

Maybe she's so happy because she's alone.

isittrue wrote:I got kind of an odd feeling watching the episode and then reading CH blogs.  They kept pointing out that K's mistake was not the sex with Nick but telling Shawn too early that he was the one and even K said the same things last week. I almost got the feeling that they want to make it seem like K had to accept S proposal because she could not go back on her saying he was the F1. Maybe she does have feelings for Nick and that's why she let him propose.  Maybe she does not mention Nick because she still has feelings for him?  I don't doubt she has feelings for Shawn and he sure is crazy about her but I am just worried that we won't be getting a happy couple at ATFR.  We better get a SHV soon or I am really doubtful that this relationship survived past snap chat although she seemed very giddy last week..

I agree and I have said the relationship that went too fast is not with Nick it was with Shawn.  Nick and Kaitlyn had been communicating before the show that was a slow burn but it has not work out because I believe Shawn was insecure in his own self, and keep pushing and never allow her to complete all of the relationships to see which one would fit best.  I truly feel sorry for her, because it will go a bust soon enough. SWSNBN is now living with lots of regret and so will kaitlyn looking back in years to come.

What is SWSNBN?