The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 7 Jun 29th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

I watched the show very late tonight so a few short comments.

She really enjoys being with Jared so can't believe he's not in the f3. Is it possible he pulls himself out when she tells the guys about Nick? He looks very upset in the previews. Ben H seems a default f3 imo.

I don't think Shawn's a jerk at all but takes it all too seriously. All the future cast need to know that they should forget about who's doing what with the lead and just have fun in their own relationship. That just puts more pressure on Kaitlyn because clearly she can't stand the thought of him leaving.

Nick does far better at that this season. I liked that he admitted being too cocky last time. That was true and something I didn't like about him.

Aw Cupcake. He's such a sweetie.

Kaitlyn's a mess. She should be enjoying herself and not crying her way through Ireland.

chasingpavements wrote:

BlackHalo wrote:IMO If Shawn didn't look the way he looked, no one would be praising him. Amazing how good looks let you off the hook for problematic behavior.

I definitely think that's true. I've mentioned a couple of times that he's basically the female Britt (FIR, first kiss, questions the lead about his/her motives, gets mad at the lead for not giving him/her validation with a GDR, threatens to leave). Britt was hated, yet people (mostly female) LOVE Shawn. I also think that gender expectations play a role - no one likes to admit it, but a lot of women do find that possessive, jealous, intense character in men sexy. Whereas a women that's possessive, jealous, and intense is crazy.

I did see a bunch of people on Twitter calling Shawn a p*ssy and a "woman" for being all dramatic and paranoid and almost crying, so I don't think that he's universally loved. I just think that, like the Britt fans, his fans are very vocal.

Not to get political, but to me it is like the Sarah Palin effect, if I yell louder and ignore anything you have to say, then I can pretend that I am right and that everyone agrees.

ETA, this post is not directed at any posters here, more talking about the group/gang mentality that happens on SM, when people just shout their opinion over and over without listening or acknowledging anything else.

I respect all posters on this board and their right to their own opinions. The varying viewpoints are what make it fun to be here.

AllAboutLove wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:Haven't watched yet.  Anything new to slueth in the preview? or is it even worth it at this point?

Is it worth it? How to answer that.
I am just watching to watch at this point and because of this forum.
It is only this forum that makes anything about this season worth it, imo.

I was asking to see if there was anything worth SC'ing if I got a chance to at some point tomorrow.  I'm pretty much over it, not really watching the show, only previews and following along here on the board.  Got behind and not interested in catching up at this point.  If there was anything of interest to analyze and figure out, in new SC, maybe, but... We know how it's supposed to end, just not sure how they get there from here.  Then again, I'm not sure I want to know, how much worse can it get?    I'd be ok with ff'ing to the AFTR to see how K & S are now together and finding out whose the next bachelor.

rosesrREd wrote:I don't think there is going to happy ending, regardless of how Kaitlyn seems on the media rounds, it's all for show, IMO.

She did look VERY happy in last week's interview rounds, so I can believe that there's a happy ending. One thing I'll say for Shawn is that he's OBSESSED with Kaitlyn. The guy basically ended up apologizing for Kaitlyn's mistake, because he was so afraid that it would ruin things. I do believe him when he says that none of the other guys feel the way that he does, so I think that intense of a love (or lust, which I think it is) can make you forgive things you didn't think you could. I totally think that "bump in the road" conversation was foreshadowing.

chasingpavements wrote:

BlackHalo wrote:IMO If Shawn didn't look the way he looked, no one would be praising him. Amazing how good looks let you off the hook for problematic behavior.

I definitely think that's true. I've mentioned a couple of times that he's basically the female Britt (FIR, first kiss, questions the lead about his/her motives, gets mad at the lead for not giving him/her validation with a GDR, threatens to leave). Britt was hated, yet people (mostly female) LOVE Shawn. I also think that gender expectations play a role - no one likes to admit it, but a lot of women do find that possessive, jealous, intense character in men sexy. Whereas a women that's possessive, jealous, and intense is crazy.

I did see a bunch of people on Twitter calling Shawn a p*ssy and a "woman" for being all dramatic and paranoid and almost crying, so I don't think that he's universally loved. I just think that, like the Britt fans, his fans are very vocal.

Yes, people telling him to "pull it together", asking was it his "time of the month",saying he was emotionally draining. The funniest comment I seen was "Shawn wants to have a meeting with Kaitlyn to discuss another meeting." I think his likability took a huge hit tonight. Of course, he still has fans.

chasingpavements wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:I don't think there is going to happy ending, regardless of how Kaitlyn seems on the media rounds, it's all for show, IMO.

She did look VERY happy in last week's interview rounds, so I can believe that there's a happy ending. One thing I'll say for Shawn is that he's OBSESSED with Kaitlyn. The guy basically ended up apologizing for Kaitlyn's mistake, because he was so afraid that it would ruin things. I do believe him when he says that none of the other guys feel the way that he does, so I think that intense of a love (or lust, which I think it is) can make you forgive things you didn't think you could. I totally think that "bump in the road" conversation was foreshadowing.

But is it lust, love or obsession. If he was a woman acting this way on the bachelor, we would all call her crazy and the man would probably dismiss her.

He freaked out because Jared got a rose, then because Joe said he was falling in love. I have never understood the idea, that I am going to shield you from everyone else so you love me. Real love is the kind that if you love me, I can trust you and I don't have to freak out. If you have to isolate someone so they have no choice but to love you, it isn't love at all.

They get there and hopefully they will work, at this point, I am just over them both. She has great guys, and honestly as a Nick Chick I don't even count Nick as one of those great choices - they both rushed sex and made their situation as messy as hers with Shawn, but Jared is a sweetie, Ben H is one of the most amazingly mature and hot men we have seen since Chris Sigfried IMO and she is obsessed with Shawn and Nick.

As Patty on the Millionaire Matchmaker would say, her picker is broken.

Oh and how is Joe falling in love with her? Enough of her saliva made it into his system when they kiss, and all they do is kiss, that he is feeling love, or is it just a heightened immune response?

As posted upthread in regards to feedback from this episode. From a quick look one can see that many tweets were about Shawn's behavior and how he is not the bachelor or should understand the show etc https://twitter.com/search?q=%23thebachelorette%20shawn&src=rela

That being said, it matters not ultimately since he is F1 and it will likely come full circle. The season is just very messy so none of the the F2 (or lead) will come away scott free and hopefully by ATFR all will be fine (crossing fingers but who knows).

I think it's walking a fine line in criticizing fans of one of the guys over fans of others. It's hard to be subjective when talking about your favorite or your least favorite imo. Maybe there's a happy medium where one probably isn't as bad as you think and the other isn't likely as good. They're just people who are on a highly edited tv show. :Nod:

Now I can see what you mean about Shawn's prom date suit, Kasha. I don't find Shawn attractive, and that suit just sealed the deal. I hope your prom date was way more fun than Shawn!

Ladybug82 wrote:I was asking to see if there was anything worth SC'ing if I got a chance to at some point tomorrow.  I'm pretty much over it, not really watching the show, only previews and following along here on the board.  Got behind and not interested in catching up at this point.  If there was anything of interest to analyze and figure out, in new SC, maybe, but... We know how it's supposed to end, just not sure how they get there from here.  Then again, I'm not sure I want to know, how much worse can it get?    I'd be ok with ff'ing to the AFTR to see how K & S are now together and finding out whose the next bachelor.

Yes, there were definitely some s/caps we can sleuth from the preview at the end. Thanks Ladybug.

chasingpavements wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:I don't think there is going to happy ending, regardless of how Kaitlyn seems on the media rounds, it's all for show, IMO.

She did look VERY happy in last week's interview rounds, so I can believe that there's a happy ending. One thing I'll say for Shawn is that he's OBSESSED with Kaitlyn. The guy basically ended up apologizing for Kaitlyn's mistake, because he was so afraid that it would ruin things. I do believe him when he says that none of the other guys feel the way that he does, so I think that intense of a love (or lust, which I think it is) can make you forgive things you didn't think you could. I totally think that "bump in the road" conversation was foreshadowing.

I can see what you're saying, so let me rephrase, I don't think there will be a happily ever after with them.

watching the show right now
and based on the first two confrontations and K's reaction....
wow...shawn is being driven by fear and brought a lot of negativity to the whole group....I don't know how mature he is in light of this behavior. she is right to question the influence he has positive vs. negative