The Bachelorette 11 - Kaitlyn Bristowe - Epi 7 Jun 29th - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

AllAboutLove wrote:Maybe whatever Ben H talks to Kaitlyn about... he says he doesn't want to hear details... so Kaitlyn doesn't tell him anything other than I want you to stay.

But Shawn hears that Ben talked to K so he later goes to confront her about another "mistake" mentioned in the summary? Maybe we will find out Nick is not the only one. That will be craziness.

ETA: Thinking while Ben is in the shower and he said he didn't want details about Shawn and K may be similar to a certain president in the 90's who had to clarify what sex really meant. This show has really gone sleaze-tastic on us all. Help me now if it gets worse.

This is what I immediately assumed happened too based on the look on her face with Ben I think it was more than words you're the one. Oh Kaitlyn. I don't know whether to laugh and say you go girl or shake my head at her. Def didn't let the show stop her from doing what she wanted to do.

That clip with Ben looks like the same location and outfit where Kaitlyn says "we had sex" in the season preview that was shown in the second episode. Could she have told someone (Ben or the guys or CH) about sex with Shawn? And maybe they didn't talk about the time with Shawn because it was not on camera where as Nick's time was on camera. We as viewers are finding out about Shawn's time little by little, making the story more of a surprise, more suspenseful.

This show is definitely getting "sleazier!" I blame TPTB of course. Kaitlyn is not doing anything that was not done before. It is just being shown now.

I remember on Jillian's season they moved Ed into the mansion with her very early on. I believe Wes too. TPTB were trying to "promote" a connection. Ed said in an interview that they "went right after it," when someone asked about sex. I have no doubt Jill and Ed had sex early on. In fact, Wes mentioned in an interview that he
heard things," coming from Jill's room when Both he and Ed were staying in the mansion.

I only bring all this up to show this kind of stuff happened before. Only now they are showing almost everything with their leads.

I still like Kaitlyn and I hope she is happy at her ATFR.

In case anyone is interested, this is what Ben said to Kaitlyn in the preview:

Let me start with last week. We had a date that I thought went really well. I was on a high from that. Then we get to the cocktail party & it doesn't go well. Shawn & I are both upset. And that night you sneak down & it was really great to see you... the night went on & I think you came down with the best intentions, I have no doubt about that. But what happens is I get up & it's time to go to the airport. I shower & I come back into the room & I feel like the vibe is different. Something happened while I was gone in the shower, I didn't know exactly what & I knew Shawn was happier. Him & I have not talked about it since. I have not brought it up to anybody, but something's happened there. I know that. I don't want to know details, I just want to know that if we're going to continue & if I'm going to be here, that this isn't just me spinning my wheels.

Thanks for bringing that forward.

jojo47 wrote:In case anyone is interested, this is what Ben said to Kaitlyn in the preview:

Let me start with last week. We had a date that I thought went really well. I was on a high from that. Then we get to the cocktail party & it doesn't go well. Shawn & I are both upset. And that night you sneak down & it was really great to see you... the night went on & I think you came down with the best intentions, I have no doubt about that. But what happens is I get up & it's time to go to the airport. I shower & I come back into the room & I feel like the vibe is different. Something happened while I was gone in the shower, I didn't know exactly what & I knew Shawn was happier. Him & I have not talked about it since. I have not brought it up to anybody, but something's happened there. I know that. I don't want to know details, I just want to know that if we're going to continue & if I'm going to be here, that this isn't just me spinning my wheels.

Thanks! But what Ben is learning the hard way is TPTB are "spinning your wheels," and have been since the day you arrived. LOL

Columbia, MD wrote:I am a fan who has watched these shows from day 1.  However, this season is giving me a headache.  Please pass the Tylenol.

I know, right? When did my mindless entertainment become harder to follow than an average thriller?

Can someone remind me what cocktail party he's talking about? What were they upset about?

I think that what Kaitlyn must have meant by this season being "refreshing" was how they were actually able to convince a 3rd guy to stick around....period....given what seems to have transpired between her and her F1 and F2.

IMO, the only way that she was able to keep that 3rd guy, who appears to be Ben H, was to out and out lie to him, since it is pretty apparent that he was indeed spinning his wheels. Good for him for being that observant and confronting Kaitlyn.

For his sake, I hope that Ben is watching these episodes carefully and is able to discern that he was being fed a load of crap - by both the producers and Kaitlyn.  Watching these episodes each week must be a huge eye opener for him, one that is probably filling in some of the blanks. Ben needs to stay away from this franchise and to decline the role of the next Bachelor, if it is offered.  Run Ben, run!!!

I think Ben is talking about the cocktail party in San Antonio.  They were probably upset by what happened after Ian left.  Shawn saw Kaitlyn kissing Nick and left angry. If Shawn and he were roommates, he probably shared what he saw with Ben, making them both unhappy.  It sounds like Kaitlyn came to their room to reassure them about her feelings.  Not sure how long Ben was gone and why his shower was outside of their room.  But he is suspicious something happened with Shawn to make him "happy".  Whether it was physical or emotional reassurance...Ben said that "something was different".  

It makes me think that maybe after Ben confronted Kaitlyn, he may have told Shawn about it leading to Shawn's second visit to Kaitlyn's room (in the burgundy sweater).  After this confrontation is when Kaitlyn's tearful interview occurred (in her grey sweater).  Maybe she is crying because of the fact that Ben became aware of her activity with Shawn (either physical or emotional it doesn't matter as Ben felt it significant) and she feels bad about making another "mistake" by telling Ben.  It seems like it might not even be about the Nick stuff yet.  Wow!

mindless wrote:

Columbia, MD wrote:I am a fan who has watched these shows from day 1.  However, this season is giving me a headache.  Please pass the Tylenol.

I know, right? When did my mindless entertainment become harder to follow than an average thriller?

That might actually be a fun twist on an upcoming season. After the Meat n Geek, there is a mysterious murder. Kind of like "And Then There Were None".  You would have 20 or so cast, the lead and of course the evil Chris Manson.

jojo47 wrote:In case anyone is interested, this is what Ben said to Kaitlyn in the preview:

Let me start with last week. We had a date that I thought went really well. I was on a high from that. Then we get to the cocktail party & it doesn't go well. Shawn & I are both upset. And that night you sneak down & it was really great to see you... the night went on & I think you came down with the best intentions, I have no doubt about that. But what happens is I get up & it's time to go to the airport. I shower & I come back into the room & I feel like the vibe is different. Something happened while I was gone in the shower, I didn't know exactly what & I knew Shawn was happier. Him & I have not talked about it since. I have not brought it up to anybody, but something's happened there. I know that. I don't want to know details, I just want to know that if we're going to continue & if I'm going to be here, that this isn't just me spinning my wheels.

Thanks jojo for bringing this forward. It's a big help to be able to read it several times.

I get the vibe that Ben is choosing his words very carefully. "But what happens is" as if he's telling a story that she wasn't involved in.

"I shower and come back into the room". What room? It sounds like she was there all night, and at some point he went to bed/sleep and woke up to shower to get ready to leave and S and K were still awake. Am I reading that right?

IMO Ben knows at this point he is spinning his wheels and is going to ride it out.

Sorry if this has been discussed. I just caught up several pages, and have not retained what I read 5 minutes ago!