Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

I can speculate why Nick is happy post-FRC, even if he proposed and was rejected, and the answer I keep coming back to is what Nick said himself in the episode this week: these s/caps say it all for me:

That was definitely a drop-the-mic moment for Nick.

It's sort of why I don't want him to be the bachelor. At least with the bachelorette, the lead could choose him out of 25 guys. In real life, a partner would choose him out of others they could potentially date. If he was the bachelor, the girls are pretty much stuck with him, and may develop feelings yes, but there is less of a reciprocation that the person is the only one for them. 
And I think that's really want Nick wants, to get as much back from the other person as much as he puts in. He is a true romantic after all.

happydays wrote:That was definitely a drop-the-mic moment for Nick.

It really was. It was just Nick being Nick: honest, straightforward and real. He just laid his cards on the table and his words tell me that he knew what he was getting himself into this time around. It was nice to see that TPTB chose to highlight this side of Nick without any weird music and with the craziness that was Ian, Nick in contrast came off looking close to a saint!

IMHO:
Nick isn't on the list of options for the bachelor, because he is largely detested. He is controversial and polarizing enough to make people tune in, to see what else he would say or do, but not out of support, but because he is "a clown" in this story, someone who people use to laugh at or project their anger (and maybe reasons should be found within).
I think Ben H. is being edited as being the prospect for the next Bach, but Kaitlyn and Shawn keep supporting/promoting Dr. Chris publicly by inserting Cupcake's name every time they reach to their fans ... so there are 2 strongest leads of who among the new guys has any possibility.

Talking about hazing ... it was confirmed (JJ) that there was indeed some liquid prank pulled on Nick, which actually brought the guys "closer" and them accepting Nick ... but since Smug1 doesn't like Nick, he twisted the story the way he wanted to portray Nick-a-prick as a lousy teammate, because that's the image of Nick most bachelor viewers believe in.

About Nick's post-show happiness, I believe it's really about being free of constraints, having his dues/debt "payed", exiting the relationship with no regrets and clear ground. The rest is yet open to debate till the ATFR.

And last thing about his career, it's no surprise why Nick is putting himself in the situation like this, because he has a job which on the personal level is not as fulfilling and exciting, seemingly it's made of the routine and same-old software patterns where the outlet for a personal creativity is limited, so he searches for the energy counterbalance and seeks the excitement in human interactions (smth that was discussed in fan-thread about his type of personality), often spurring strong reactions (in his nature to polarize even unintentionally) and black & white versions of events.

happygolucky wrote:
Talking about hazing ... it was confirmed (JJ) that there was indeed some liquid prank pulled on Nick, which actually brought the guys "closer" and them accepting Nick ... but since Smug1 doesn't like Nick, he twisted the story the way he wanted to portray Nick-a-prick as a lousy teammate, because that's the image of Nick most bachelor viewers believe in.

Where was this confirmed?

AllAboutLove wrote:I can speculate why Nick is happy post-FRC, even if he proposed and was rejected, and the answer I keep coming back to is what Nick said himself in the episode this week: these s/caps say it all for me:

This was a stellar moment for Nick!!!

nutty1 wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:I can speculate why Nick is happy post-FRC, even if he proposed and was rejected, and the answer I keep coming back to is what Nick said himself in the episode this week: these s/caps say it all for me:

This was a stellar moment for Nick!!!

Agreed -- that moment showed Nick at his best -- beyond the edit that some of us have been able to see through from last season -- unconventional deep thinker/thoughtful ,decisive, romantic, unwilling to settle for less than "Great", not someone to hold a grudge, owns up to his role to give as much as he gets, but also willing to take a risk to get to that "great"

It was a very sincere moment. His edit is great, imo, for someone that is seen as a villain, the other guys are making him look really good.
Will have to see whether this changes or not.

Also, interesting that Nick did not receive the last rose despite how they tried to make it seem.
I posted s/caps in the s/cap discussion thread and Nick received his rose before Shawn.

Edits are interesting and this supports what has been said about TPTB for years. 
They take a person and make him into what they want him to be to support their story. 
This is why I hate what they do to a cast that has a great fan base one season and then twist them into their lead the next. The first season they build his fan base and the second they knock him off the pedestal.

AllAboutLove wrote:It was a very sincere moment. His edit is great, imo, for someone that is seen as a villain, the other guys are making him look really good.
Will have to see whether this changes or not.

Also, interesting that Nick did not receive the last rose despite how they tried to make it seem.
I posted s/caps in the s/cap discussion thread and Nick received his rose before Shawn.

agreed the edit has been great which is what i'd speculated since that US weekly article -- still intriuging that they kind of switched gears on his edit only a few weeks ago...will be interesting how that will make sense in hindsight

AllAboutLove wrote:It was a very sincere moment. His edit is great, imo, for someone that is seen as a villain, the other guys are making him look really good.
Will have to see whether this changes or not.

Also, interesting that Nick did not receive the last rose despite how they tried to make it seem.
I posted s/caps in the s/cap discussion thread and Nick received his rose before Shawn.

Nick's edit softened a whole lot this episode. I noted they didn't show the "don't make out with the girl I like before I do" clip that they showed in the previews.

jojo47 wrote:Nick's edit softened a whole lot this episode. I noted they didn't show the "don't make out with the girl I like before I do" clip that they showed in the previews.

I also noticed that they deleted the photo of Nick of him saying "I'm here. Deal with it!" once Nick was on the show. It was very odd. I have never noticed them delete a captioned photo they post on Twitter before. It was generating tons of hate towards Nick too!

It almost feels like they used Nick to lure viewers into thinking he is this villain/drama person and then on the actual show we see the guys telling Joshua he is the liar and Ian acting crazy. They still left in Shawn's opinion of Nick though, but I think that is to drive the whole N vs S drama.

Crazy thing about Tanner and Joshua was how they were talking about Tabloid magazines and what they had read about Nick, and saying that Nick wasn't there for the right reasons and how they didn't trust someone being on the show a second time and yet both of them are now on BIP!