Andi Dorfman - The Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - #4

I think I should not call her a brat anymore, she has evolved into a Bitch now in a year.

From a legal brat who wants to be the centre of attention, to a jobless Bitch who bashed an ex to stay relevant! Way to go Andi Dorfman, way to go!

nannymargie wrote:snipped

How do you have compassion for someone who is a sore loser and thought all along that no one else was competition?  He was over confident and acted like there was no way she could have feelings for anyone else.  He didn't except her decision and tried to see her twice and then in his letter tired to get her to change her mind.  I don't know how I would have acted in that situation either.

With all due respect, nannymargie, IMO she led him on to believe he was going to be the F1, so much so she slept with him. Call him naive call him whatever, but that's what he thought. She made a fool of him, used him, then tossed him aside. If this were a woman, the pot would be on the stove, boiling, as per Fatal Attractions. JMHO

GuardianAngel wrote:

nannymargie wrote:snipped

How do you have compassion for someone who is a sore loser and thought all along that no one else was competition?  He was over confident and acted like there was no way she could have feelings for anyone else.  He didn't except her decision and tried to see her twice and then in his letter tired to get her to change her mind.  I don't know how I would have acted in that situation either.

With all due respect, nannymargie, IMO she led him on to believe he was going to be the F1, so much so she slept with him. Call him naive call him whatever, but that's what he thought. She made a fool of him, used him, then tossed him aside. If this were a woman, the pot would be on the stove, boiling, as per Fatal Attractions. JMHO

But don't they all lead the F2 on and how many others have slept with their final 2? I don't think Andi was any different is just that IMO Nick was over confident.

I may be in the minority, but what is wrong with confidence or even over-confidence? When you have the lead (and probably the producers) telling you what you want to hear, wouldn't anyone feel confident? I'm not a Nick fan or non-Nick fan. He seems nice enough to me. I just don't see what his unforgiveable sin is. He has owned his mistakes, has kept out of any drama post-finale, and has gone on with life. Can't say the same for Andi. She claims about how she takes the high road when she really does not. She seems to love the drama when she brings it up herself. She has known for months now that Nick joined the show. She could easily have messaged Kaitlyn about her thoughts on Nick. Instead, she chooses to go public - for the kudos and attention the tweet would bring.

I keep reading she led him on, but that sounds like failure to take responsibility for his role in the FS. Let's be real, the guy was going to sleep with Andi, it's a miracle he made it to the FS.

He played victim once before, I don't think he's above doing it again. That'll cement my opinion of him depending on how he handles it this time.

Andi Dorfman has a vengeful heart.

High road?
Stong independent successful role model?
:rollingl:

bleuberry wrote:I keep reading she led him on, but that sounds like failure to take responsibility for his role in the FS. Let's be real, the guy was going to sleep with Andi, it's a miracle he made it to the FS.

He played victim once before, I don't think he's above doing it again. That'll cement my opinion of him depending on how he handles it this time.

What responsibility he has to take but didn't?
He did admit the sex, explained why he had it and asked why she had it with the wrong reasons.

So what responsibility he didn't take?

I think her tweet was all in the spirit of other tweets that have an edge to them during the show.  I have heard girls or guys say the same thing about an ex.... Run, run..  Tweets like that are all in good fun with some spite.  We all have done that sort of thing after a break up.  Really harmless.

I guess Nick was not ashamed of having sex, and he did it for the right reasons.
But for that bitch, she took NO RESPONSIBILITY at all for having it with the wrong reasons.

If she wanted so fun only, made that clear before u did it.
Or owned it when asked why she wanted it.

But she claimed victim to be asked why??

Eviebloom wrote:I think her tweet was all in the spirit of other tweets that have an edge to them during the show.  I have heard girls or guys say the same thing about an ex.... Run, run..  Tweets like that are all in good fun with some spite.  We all have done that sort of thing after a break up.  Really harmless.

IMO--I don't consider that good fun, especially when said publicly with an audience.
 IMO anything done in the realm of spite is meant to create some harm, whether it be slight or more.  
Probably would have been best for MEandI not to have said anything and then we would not be having this discussion. Because you can say something does not mean you should.

If he was suffering from the bubble when he had sex with her in the FS, that would be his fault, not hers. I've said this before but no I don't believe they sat down before doing the deed and only went forward because he thought he was f1. That just doesn't sound believable, and that was before knowing he did the same with Kait on their very first date. Hogwash. I would respect him more had he just accepted the fact that he fell for the stupid premise of the show and let his ego get in the way. He was hurt and thought he had it in the bag.

Bottom line for me is that they were both willing participants. Nick went through with it knowing there was a possibility he wouldn't be F1. If he either chose to believe sex for him meant F1 and/or forgot the fact there were other guys still there, that's on him. Both of said that Andi never said she loved him or was going to pick him. Yet, he still had sex with her. He could have declined. So he isn't blameless in this situation. And he certainly isn't blameless for the outing on the ATFR when he was stumbling, bumbling only before he got that line out perfectly.

FTR, Andi isn't blameless either. They both are and I'm giving them equal blame in this whole mess.

If Nick does this again this season, it will again be part his fault as well.