The Bachelorette 11 - Screen Caps - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

KB_Mom wrote:Where do the s\c we had a while back of guy in bed, sleuthed\believed to be Shawn fit in (or does it fit in) of with above s\c of a disheveled Kaitlyn having confrontation with Shawn?

Yeah, I vaguely remember some discussion regarding Shawn in bed too in the screencaps. Of course, then it gets me thinking snap chat is footage from that time- paranoid soul that I am LOL

nd4reality wrote:While Kaitlyn looks a mess in that white dress (crying) Shawn seems to look pretty well put together.

While her clothes are the same as on the GD, are we saying that they had sex without them getting undressed ?

Our timeline shows that the Dublin GD was a tour of the Guinness Brewery and Jared got the GD rose and extra time with Kaitlyn at Christ Church Cathedral, and a Cranberries concert (and there's an SC of them dancing). So if Shawn visits Kaitlyn during / after the GD it would be way later (after the concert). Not impossible but not so likely they would have had sex then. Also, I've watched / listened to the preview about 5 times and I don't detect anger per se in Shawn when he asks her "Don't you realize what we have?". It's the same relatively calm voice he used when he told her her actions didn't align with her words so he's not happy but he's also not a raving wildman who lost his temper.

Is it possible that Shawn's comments have nothing at all to do with sex and are because she gave the rose (and extra time) to Jared instead of him?

Lucas15 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:While Kaitlyn looks a mess in that white dress (crying) Shawn seems to look pretty well put together.

While her clothes are the same as on the GD, are we saying that they had sex without them getting undressed ?

Our timeline shows that the Dublin GD was a tour of the Guinness Brewery and Jared got the GD rose and extra time with Kaitlyn at Christ Church Cathedral, and a Cranberries concert (and there's an SC of them dancing). So if Shawn visits Kaitlyn during / after the GD it would be way later (after the concert). Not impossible but not so likely they would have had sex then. Also, I've watched / listened to the preview about 5 times and I don't detect anger per se in Shawn when he asks her "Don't you realize what we have?". It's the same relatively calm voice he used when he told her her actions didn't align with her words so he's not happy but he's also not a raving wildman who lost his temper.

Is it possible that Shawn's comments have nothing at all to do with sex and are because she gave the rose (and extra time) to Jared instead of him?

i was thinking this (bolded). I only watched preview last night live, so I need to watch again. I am leaning towards Nick being sex guy because it's their date next week. Even though it doesn't make a lot of sense given the one-on-one this week. It kind of makes sense with the storyline they are weaving though...At least it keeps us guessing!

Was Nicks 1on1 before the GD?

Lucas15 wrote:
Is it possible that Shawn's comments have nothing at all to do with sex and are because she gave the rose (and extra time) to Jared instead of him?

I was wondering the same thing, but that still means that Shawn still made it up to her room at some point.  So, he either goes up after she gives the GD rose to Jared, but before they (she and Jared) leave for their SQT or after she returns back from her SQT with Jared.  But why is she such a mess?  Did something happen with Jared and Shawn walk in on it?  Or is he just upset that Jared got the GD rose?  After seeing her 1:1 with Shawn, I have a hard time believing she'd just jump into bed with any of the others, even Nick or Jared at this point, but it may happen.

Well CH did say Kaitlin is her own worst enemy. Maybe pre-FS sex then is Nick and she puts her relationship with Shawn in jeopardy.

Ladybug82 wrote:

Lucas15 wrote:
Is it possible that Shawn's comments have nothing at all to do with sex and are because she gave the rose (and extra time) to Jared instead of him?

I was wondering the same thing, but that still means that Shawn still made it up to her room at some point.  So, he either goes up after she gives the GD rose to Jared, but before they (she and Jared) leave for their SQT or after she returns back from her SQT with Jared.  But why is she such a mess?  Did something happen with Jared and Shawn walk in on it?  Or is he just upset that Jared got the GD rose?  After seeing her 1:1 with Shawn, I have a hard time believing she'd just jump into bed with any of the others, even Nick or Jared at this point, but it may happen.

Logically I'd think they'd go from Guiness Brewery directly to the Church for the concert? The GD cocktail party is at the brewery, not the hotel.

I see disheveled Kaitlyn in the hotel room as being after the concert & the date is over.

I think Kaitlyn tends to sabotage herself she tends to do things without really thinking things through

nd4reality wrote:Was Nicks 1on1 before the GD?

Yes.  

I find it very hard to believe that Kaitlyn and Nick would go up to her room with the producers and cameras in tow to have sex with each other.  Even just to "see what happens".   In addition, they stopped the passionate kissing, her legs wrapped around his waist, to interview Kaitlyn.  And then the SC of them in her room is of them holding hands, probably talking...not having sex, IMO.  Plus, the getting caught part would have to be completely staged if everyone knew what they were going to do.  And we say, well they could have asked to be alone.  But, how would that be a suprise to be get caught...what else are they going to ask for alone time for?  

I just do not think that either the SC of Nick or Shawn are the actual sex-gate.  Who is stupid enough to put that on camera... (Forgetting snapchat-gate of course....) IMO, the sex happened off camera and the stuff we see is either not related or part of the after effects.

^ Since Jared got invited to her room in last night's epi during GD after party (and it still puzzles me why), could he have been brought to her room during next week's GD after party, they have a hot and heavy make out session but not sex, Shawn comes to look for her and gets upset to find her with Jared, hair mussed and sofa a mess? And that premature sex gate is a whole other incident?

jojo47 wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:

Lucas15 wrote:
Is it possible that Shawn's comments have nothing at all to do with sex and are because she gave the rose (and extra time) to Jared instead of him?

I was wondering the same thing, but that still means that Shawn still made it up to her room at some point.  So, he either goes up after she gives the GD rose to Jared, but before they (she and Jared) leave for their SQT or after she returns back from her SQT with Jared.  But why is she such a mess?  Did something happen with Jared and Shawn walk in on it?  Or is he just upset that Jared got the GD rose?  After seeing her 1:1 with Shawn, I have a hard time believing she'd just jump into bed with any of the others, even Nick or Jared at this point, but it may happen.

Logically I'd think they'd go from Guiness Brewery directly to the Church for the concert? The GD cocktail party is at the brewery, not the hotel.

I see disheveled Kaitlyn in the hotel room as being after the concert & the date is over.

I agree with this being what makes the most sense. all of the above speculation could be true i.e. shawn questions her why she doesn't give him the gdr, sqt etc. etc.

Re: sabotage -- the sexgate is sabotage for K regardless of the guy involved imho. she had the world as her oyster (X "great guys" a phrase used by different people including her and nick) several guys she was building relationships with and she went too fast too soon too much with one guy. I think that affects her whole experience on this show even her relationship with sex guy -- after all... sex changes everything

nd4reality wrote:Was Nicks 1on1 before the GD?

I was thinking of asking the same thing and tried to check. Our timeline for Dublin shows:

apr 4: Travel - apr 5: B roll being filmed They are in Dublin, Ireland.
apr 6: ID: Nick at Christ Church Cathedral/St Stephens Green Park/Grafton Street
apr 7: date
apr 8: date
apr 9: RC 6 Eliminations: Tanner/JJ/Tony, Ben Z

We also have that the 1-1 with Nick and the 2-1 that takes place in Dublin seem to have been close together based on fan postings of each date. So if correct, Nick's 1-1 was first and MAYBE the 2-1 second (if they were close) and the GD last. It's also possible that the GD was second and the 2-1 immediately next if they were close. Maybe someone knows if "close" means on consecutive days or if they might have been a day apart. Also maybe someone knows the date of Nick's 1-1 (there were pics posted on RS but no date).

Ladybug82 wrote:I was wondering the same thing, but that still means that Shawn still made it up to her room at some point.  So, he either goes up after she gives the GD rose to Jared, but before they (she and Jared) leave for their SQT or after she returns back from her SQT with Jared.  But why is she such a mess?  Did something happen with Jared and Shawn walk in on it?  Or is he just upset that Jared got the GD rose?

My guess is that this scene with Shawn is after the return from the Cranberries concert; usually when there's extra time the lead and the GD rose recipient leave immediately and together. At least that's how it was filmed. I think Kaitlyn was rumpled because she was starting to get undressed after the date what Shawn visited.

After seeing her 1:1 with Shawn, I have a hard time believing she'd just jump into bed with any of the others, even Nick or Jared at this point, but it may happen.

I think this is the core question that all of us struggle with because most of us feel that's illogical / she couldn't have done it / have a hard time believing she did. I think it's difficult to step outside our own "box" and try to think how someone else would think rather than how we think. It's my opinion, based on what Kaitlyn has said before this season and during an interview after episode 1 that she intended to have sex with all of her "final candidates". She defended what she did and only admitted that the timing wasn't the best so I think - as hard as it is to believe that she'd jump into bed with anyone else, that she did what she always intended to do and did exactly that. When and with whom is the only question - not if.