The Bachelorette 11 - Screen Caps - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

OnePromise wrote:I just do not think that either the SC of Nick or Shawn are the actual sex-gate.  Who is stupid enough to put that on camera... (Forgetting snapchat-gate of course....) IMO, the sex happened off camera and the stuff we see is either not related or part of the after effects.

Good point which means what we saw in the preview may have a different explanation. Like the preview of Jared on the bed with rose-petals which seemed like it was sex-gate and was nothing at all when we got to see it - maybe more of a smokescreen.

KB_Mom wrote:^ Since Jared got invited to  her room in last night's epi during GD after party (and it still puzzles me why), could he have been brought to her room during next week's GD after party, they have a hot and heavy make out session but not sex, Shawn comes to look for her and gets upset to find her with Jared, hair mussed and sofa a mess?  And that premature sex gate is a whole other incident?

IMO that's certainly very possible and what OP speculated above and very much in line with my "what if" thinking about the previewed meeting of Kaitlyn and Shawn.

As I recall there have been different explanations of how sex-gate gets revealed:

1 - She never tells the guys during filming - they won't find out until it airs
2 - She never tells them in a group meeting but she does tell certain key guys when they "need to know"

I think I buy option 2 as the more likely one - option 1 was RS's first post but I think he was partly right and partly wrong - she never tells them all together but she does tell some of them at some point.

IA, but I'm not questioning what Kaitlyn is capable of doing ... I'm wondering, if Shawn already had difficulty accepting Kaitlyn's decision to keep Nick (NYC) and had a "little chat" with her about her words/promises not matching her actions ... I wonder what would Shawn do, if he would find out she jumped into bed with another guy in the 1st week (possible) in Ireland?
- Would he walk away for a minute/day/"week"/episode to cool off? (Just a heated argument IDK if it would be enough to clear his mind)
- So, do we have SCs of Shawn in the 2nd week in Ireland?

timfan wrote:I think Kaitlyn tends to sabotage herself she tends to do things without really thinking things through

Or perhaps we have a female lead who thinks with a different body part than her brain....

happygolucky wrote:
- So, do we have SCs of Shawn in the 2nd week in Ireland?

This is a great question and something i've been wondering about as well -- I recall one sc of him on a couch with a blue blazer but nothing more comes to mind -- that's adds imho to the reason -- in contrast with the happygolucky free and easy sc/segments we have with nick that make me think K couldn't have had sex with nick. we've seen how shawn reacted just due to nick coming on the show. if the scenes from next week are him being angry at her having sex with nick could she be so carefree and without an ounce of worry when she is seen with nick in cobb, likely lcd etc. during the coming weeks in ireland?

in contrast we have no sc of her with shawn -- meaning there could be some tension and stress between them during those weeks we have not been made aware of via previews jmho

^^^ That is so not refreshing and definitely not the kind of female empowerment that should be perpetuated.


So If Nicks 1on1 date was before the group date and they had sex (assuming here), is it not possible that Shawn heard about it when they guys were messing around after the group date/Jarods SQT ?
And then went to talk to Kaitlyn ?

^^ So how would Shawn have heard, a producer or Nick?  If Nick, wouldn't he have told all the guys, not just Shawn?  If so, there'd have been major guy drama and fighting and no need for Kaitlyn to tell the chosen few she did, they'd have already heard about it.  Seems more likely to come from a producer, but would they have told him what actually happened?  Seems like it'd make for better tv - his reaction and drama for him to hear it from Kaitlyn herself.  So, maybe producers just set it up for him to know something had happened and to go visit K?

Round and round in circles we go...     Ready to see (well, not the actual "it" that happened, but the who and results   )/figure out what actually happened already!

Well, can't we assume that Nick doesn't come home....and that's how/why they may be suspicious?

nd4reality wrote:So If Nicks 1on1 date was before the group date and they had sex (assuming here), is it not possible that Shawn heard about it when they guys were messing around after the group date/Jarods SQT ?
And then went to talk to Kaitlyn ?

Ladybug82 wrote:^^ So how would Shawn have heard, a producer or Nick?  If Nick, wouldn't he have told all the guys, not just Shawn?

The episode description just posted for Episode 6 ends with:

Some bachelors will be making their last stand at the Alamo, as the drama picks up in San Antonio where it left off – Ian is about to give Kaitlyn a piece of his mind – in one of  the most shocking confrontations of this or any season. After a rose ceremony that leaves nine men in the chase for Kaitlyn’s heart, the remaining bachelors travel to the lush beauty of Dublin, Ireland. A picture perfect day strolling through the streets of Dublin turns into a passionate night for the Bachelorette and one of the men, but will Kaitlyn’s actions have serious consequences when it comes to the other men? A six-man group date tests the bachelors’ ability to say “good-bye” to Kaitlyn – at a fake, traditional Irish wake. The rose winner from the group date and Kaitlyn enjoy a private concert by the internationally famous Irish rock band The Cranberries. Simultaneously, one of the men has a major meltdown and reveals an explosive secret only he and Kaitlyn shared, leading to a face-off that could derail the Bachelorette’s search for love.

So apparently there's a melt down during the concert after the group date and an explosive secret is revealed. This could be Nick revealing he and Kaitlyn had sex and that could be how Shawn finds out. That would mean that the SC we sleuthed of Sean with Kaitlyn saying "do you not know what we have" could actually be about sex-gate because he might have found out while she was on the date.

[quote="nd4reality"]^^^ That is so not refreshing and definitely not the kind of female empowerment that should be perpetuated.


So If Nicks 1on1 date was before the group date and they had sex (assuming here), is it not possible that Shawn heard about it when they guys were messing around after the group date/Jarods SQT ?
And then went to talk to Kaitlyn ?[/quote]

ND. I'm starting to laugh at the refreshing references because I think this is going to turn out anything but that. Personally, if Nick is the sex guy, I don't really think Shawn should get over it and kind of disappointed he stays with her. My opinion may change, but that's where it's at now.

If Nick tells everyone why oh why would she keep him until the end?

Cecilia wrote:If Nick tells everyone why oh why would she keep him until the end?

Why oh why did she have sex with him in the first place??? Probably the same reason. Utterly cray.

Cecilia wrote:If Nick tells everyone why oh why would she keep him until the end?

^^^Because it leads to drama, which sadly increases ratings and makes for good tv in MF and TPTB's opinions.  

No way they'd let her get rid of him if that's the case.  And many might think it's fitting if history does repeat itself, if he indeed spills the beans and possibly jeopardizes her relationship with Shawn.  It'd be a win-win situation for TPTB - more drama than they could possible ask for or need to manufacture, a villain gets it what's coming to him, etc.