Bachelor 19 - Chris Soules - Episode - 11 - LCD - FRC - ATFR #2 *Spoilers - Sleuthing*- Discussion

murasaki1393 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

Kasha, are you saying that TPTB had Whit also slated for her role as F1 and confident edit from day one too?.. Just curious. If so, for me there is no point to watch this silly show anymore...

Probably should not watch then.  I would miss you.  :Nod:
Just take your rose colored glasses off. I promise I will try to entertain you with diversions.
I have heard for many, many season that the night of the Meat and Geek the main cast person is aware of who the F4 will be and most likely the his top 2. The others are there to fill in for drama and diversion, secondary plot lines.
I have heard from cast that have been approached by producers with certain "roles" to play. One cast person immediately before the Meat & Geek began because he did not want this role. Others have stayed and been the season's villain, buddy etc.
Another sleuther had seen a photo of loose story boarding in a backdrop of a production FB photo years ago. Another sleuther had seen outlines for storyboarding of the next season while the current season was still airing! I know because I have seen these photos with my own eyes. Others here have, too.
Was Whitney slated to be F1? I can not say that. But let's look at how on paper Josh was for Andi. Let's look how on paper Whit was for Chris. So I do think there is a small amount of cast chosen to be perfect on paper for the main. Maybe at times there is a 6 degree of separation between the main and the F1 prior to filiming? Maybe even less than 6 degrees.
When Shayne was chosen for Matt--that was not left to chance.

OK.thanks for filling me in....i guess its good for me to get myself busy in the official opening of my Bach-ish Matchmaking Service..while enjoying snark and comment train with atem . Why bother to sleuth when all were proven to be highly scripted from day 1 and RS would likely gotten the correct BTS info plus edit is totally used to only mislead us?...#smh... :halo:

sde1041 wrote:

George1218 wrote:I hope Chris and Whitney are really in love and make it.  I really like both of them.  I really and truly saw something (IMHO) between Chris and Becca that was sincere and genuine that Chris didn't have with anyone else.  To me, the editors didn't do Chris or Whitney any favors with their edits all season because, to me, it seemed like Chris was really, really in love with Becca.  To me, it seemed like they really had a special connection that Chris, in the end, threw away because Becca couldn't give him a guarantee of marriage and children.  Becca told him that although she didn't know anything else for sure, she was positive that she wanted him and didn't want to lose him.  That wasn't enough for him.  If he is really the type of person who would throw away such a special, genuine connection for someone else who (to me) he didn't seem to have nearly as special or deep connection with because she was "all in" and ready to get married and start popping out babies ASAP then Becca is better off without him.  I REALLY thought better of Chris.

I am sure that Chris is really a good guy and truly in love with Whitney and that Becca really wasn't as deeply in love with Chris as is seemed (even if she couldn't admit it to herself).  The editors REALLY did no one any favors this season.  I am so disappointed, all season long I REALLY, REALLY thought (100%) that I was seeing a real love story developing with Chris and Becca.  I thought that, even when Becca came first at the end, Chris would say something like "this is crazy, I love you and can't let you go! What was I thinking? We will figure things out together."

I feel very bad for Whitney because the way it was edited (IMO) it shows her being the one Chris settled for because he just couldn't let himself take that ultimate risk on
Becca, the one he truly loved and wanted.  To me, even at the ATFR, it seemed like Chris was wondering if he did the right thing.

I'm sorry to ramble, but I am just so horribly disappointed.  I have no interest in watching TB at all in the near future.  I may drop in here to say hi to everyone, but i am just so, so disappointed!!

That is exactly what I felt during season and feeling right now.
Even Chris parents were surprised and his dad even said Becca was the one Chris wanted.
That's very telling !

If it's of any consolation, you are not the only one feeling very disappointed with this season.

crazyjaney78 wrote:Also I just don't see the similarities here with Chris and Des- IF anything I see Whit/Chris and a Des and Brooks- a sitch where the girl is way more into the guy than vice versa and that never lasts.  Chris and Des worked because HE was over the moon about her.  The man has to feel that "crazy love" passion or whatever you want to call it.  I just don't see that in Chris with Whitney-  I saw it with Becca but not Whitney.  Makes me sad for her.  No woman should feel like her man just "settled for" her.  All in all, last night was an extremely depressing episode.  The only upside is that Becca appears to be doing well so good on her.

lexforlife wrote:And all those emotional proposals with the twirling around, I wonder what became of those relationships. I believe him when he said he followed his heart and his gut. I also knew watching the show that Whitney got to him after their wedding crashing date. I loved what I saw BTW Chris and Whit and the love story was there from the get go, maybe it was too in our face and maybe that's why pple didn't want to believe it. From that episode 3, I knew Whit won, there really was no question. Did Chris enjoy being the bachelor a Lil much, of course  I think he knows it too that he ain't getting a bachelor party. After the show is when the real relationship starts and that's what counts, not the words used to propose, not the twirling around or running down the ocean,(I'm trying to remember all the show's beautiful proposals) that the couple were done b4 the show aired in another continent. I'm team happy , I wish all of them the best moving forward. The relationship that most have thought won't last have been the ones that actually lasted.(phew, too much rambling, sorry,guys )

Kashathediva wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

I can not remember the above, happening in the past. It was commented on at the time by quite a few posters, too. It was probably done for many reasons. The easiest and best was it clued us in almost immediately she was not going to be the F1. Cutting that part out allowed for other film to be shown that TPTB wanted shown.
As far as the other dates, I think TPTB had Becca slated for this role F2 and a clean edit from day one. JMOAA.
I don't think it's a mistake that you don't have such vocal outrage or sides drawn etc for her rejection etc. She looked so totally cool with the outcome. How can you argue with that? She looked great day 1 after rejection.

Kasha, are you saying that TPTB had Whit also slated for her role as F1 and confident edit from day one too?.. Just curious. If so, for me there is no point to watch this silly show anymore...

Probably should not watch then.  I would miss you.  :Nod:
Just take your rose colored glasses off. I promise I will try to entertain you with diversions.
I have heard for many, many season that the night of the Meat and Geek the main cast person is aware of who the F4 will be and most likely the top 2. The others are there to fill in for drama and diversion, secondary plot lines.
I have heard from cast that have been approached by producers with certain "roles" to play. One cast person left immediately before the Meat & Geek began because he did not want this role. Others have stayed and been the season's villain, buddy etc.
Another sleuther had seen a photo of loose story boarding in a backdrop of a production FB photo years ago. Another sleuther had seen outlines for storyboarding of the next season while the current season was still airing! I know because I have seen these photos with my own eyes. Others here have, too.
Was Whitney slated to be F1? I can not say that. But let's look at how on paper Josh was for Andi. Let's look how on paper Whit was for Chris. So I do think there is a small amount of cast chosen to be perfect on paper for the main. Maybe at times there is a 6 degree of separation between the main and the F1 prior to filiming? Maybe even less than 6 degrees.
When Shayne was chosen for Matt--that was not left to chance.

northernviewer wrote:I don't think CH even

Chris Siegried didnt either.