Bachelor Canada - Season 2 - Tim Warmels - *Sleuthing - *Spoilers* - *Speculation* - Trisha

AllAboutLove wrote:Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense now. 

Regarding the two errors. Even without images seen, VO of mom talking about concerns is with Tim and Trish. With hard questions ITM from Mom it is with Trish scene (even without analysing clothes the scene shows Trish). Just those two things I noticed that were stated with Tim and April but were with Tim and Trish.

I can see your thought process.  No worries....but you are looking at the SC, the clothes and the VO as if they are happening together.  In editing that is called the trick of the trade....making it look like someone is the one saying it when it really isn't.  Just because you see a SC of Tim's mom in the orange tank top and you hear her say I am going to ask some pretty tough questions it is cut at the right time to make you think it is a smooth statement.  I say it is good editing.   JMO

Question....


who do you think says (whispers) "I think I want to go home" at the very end of the preview?

sophienette wrote:

4health wrote:Tim's Preview Finale

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scenes of trisha, tim & horses, kissing scene VO of Trisha "I am in love with him" if you watch both previews very similiar
SC April & Tim kissing sunset picture kissing this picture is almost exactly like Whitney & Brad's kissing sunset dark
4 - 5 SC of Tim & April's yacht date VO April "hopefully the guy I am looking for to spend the rest of my life with" April VO "I am in love with Tim" this is almost exactly like the snippets of Brad & Whitney's date and no really snippets like this for Trisha or Bianka
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So things don't get to crazy and disorganized, sophie I am going to make a list of what I think are the similarities or patterns.  So I am not going to go back and correct but make my observations here and I hope that helps.

1 - Trisha & Bianka are first date scenes in the preview
2 - Next SC is of Tim & Aprils' sunset kiss picture on the beach same as Whitney & Brad sunset picture kissing in swimsuits from the yacht date
3 - A series of SC of Whitney & Brad's yacht date where Whitney is the VO during those talking about her feelings, Just like April's yacht date scene and she is the VO talking about her feelings.....there is no real snippets of all these different scenes from either Bianka's or Trisha's dates meaning they are highlighting Whitney & April's yacht date.  
4 - reflection scene, most important decision etc.
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6 - Trisha first again just like Bianka
7 - Scenes of Trisha & Tim picnic date VO Tim says "I am crazy about Trish"   jumped out at me that this is the only place that you actually hear Tim express his feelings about someone and then state concern Brad does the same thing about Bianka in his preview

8 -Scenes of April & Tim's yacht date she expresses she is scared he knows and SC of their date and VO of Tim "I need to know that April is here with me in spite of those fears."  Tim doesn't or they haven't shown Tim express his feelings directly or how he feels directly to April
MTP
9 - Trisha is shown first or coming first just Bianka (note we know she was second but the preview showed her first)
10 -Trisha is the only one shown in the preview with the whole family just like Bianka was
11 - Drama with MTP parents was about April just like it was about Whitney
12 -Tim is shown with all the drama at April's place just like Whitney
13 - preview ends with a question just like Brad's did and the question was about April just like it was about Whitney

Just some things about Tim regarding F2 girls from last two episode and feelings (positive/negative):


- The only ITM-face-face conversation with F2 girl during the entire upcoming ep preview is with April when he says "I know" when she says she is scared (fear/doubt). No words said to Trish's face when she says to him her heart loves but head says it is crazy (fear/doubt).

- Tim VO/PI about doubts he doesn't mention Trish's name just "She has to believe its worth taking a chance on us". He does mention April's name... "I need to know April is here with me despite those..fears".

- ITM-Face to Trish's face "fell a long time ago" HTD. Said nothing to April's face.

- ITM-not-to-face about fell so hard in that moment about April. No ITM-not-to-face with Trish (she had face-to-face)

- Tim VO "Crazy for Trish". No VO Tim mentioning April's name.

4Health wrote:snipped for brevity....
10 -Trisha is the only one shown in the preview with the whole family just like Bianka was

Just a correction. April is shown with the entire family, not only Trisha.

Other than that, so many similarities to be sure! Especially the ending.. dun, dun, dun. Got to love the drama! Still very different girls Whitney vs. April but the edit as you show is similar in the previews of drama. Going to be fun to watch this end. Just hope there is an F1 and if Trish hope still together

Moved post to Sleuthing Thread.

AllAboutLove wrote:

4Health wrote:snipped for brevity....
10 -Trisha is the only one shown in the preview with the whole family just like Bianka was

Just a correction. April is shown with the entire family, not only Trisha.

Other than that, so many similarities to be sure! Especially the ending.. dun, dun, dun. Got to love the drama! Still very different girls Whitney vs. April but the edit as you show is similar in the previews of drama. Going to be fun to watch this end. Just hope there is an F1 and if Trish hope still together

AAL...April is only shown when she comes into the room just like it is shown of Trisha to coming into the room....but there are no SC of April with the family in the sitting area....in Brad's preview both girls were shown talking with sister/mom but Whitney never with the whole family sitting down.  Just a few things I noticed.

IA with that. No April SC of her and whole family. Amazingly similar in the edit of the preview then. Too funny

ETA: Just realised I was posting in the Trish thread. Speaking of which and to give some evidence to Trish-F1. Want to focus on the feelings Tim has for Trish that we have heard/seen thus far...

2-1 Date = Tim says he understands why Trish would end an engagement because you feel something missing. Takes courage.
Italy Date = Tim told Trish he was afraid of getting hurt in the end.
Trish HTD = Trish tells Tim thinks she is falling for him. After Trish tells Tim this, Tim tells Trish face to face he fell for her a long time ago.
Upcoming Episodes = Tim VO that he is crazy for Trish. Trish tells Tim on their picnic date that her heart says she loves him but her head says that is crazy. Tim VO if applied to Trish he says she has to believe it's worth taking a chance on US.

So here is how I can see a story/arc by piecing what Tim has said to/about Trish together:

- If anything, one can see this as a progression from Tim seeing Trish as someone that will only marry someone that she is 100% about and there is nothing 'missing' since, BEFORE their Italy date, Trish told him she ended her engagement for just that reason.
- Next time he spends with Trish, Tim tells her he is scared on their Italy date about being hurt in the end, and Trish doesn't say anything to reassure him about her feelings for him, just that it is nice to know he has insecurities too.
- Then on HTD she says it is hard to talk about her feelings but she feels she is falling for him and Tim's response is to tell her that he has already fallen for her.
- So, thus far, Tim is giving more than Trish is, being more vulnerable and open about his feelings than Trish is.
- Coming off of HTD, VO Tim says that he is crazy for Trish. This along with telling Trish to her face he fell for her a long time ago, Tim is full-on excited about Trish.
- At picnic in Moorea and after HTD, Trish goes from saying she thinks she's falling to Tim to telling Tim that her heart says she loves him but her head says that is crazy. She is still not 100% sure. Tim VO of her believing to take a chance on 'us'.
- Thus, Tim could view this once again as maybe she is not 100% sure and her telling him about ending an engagement can cause him to feel even more insecure about whether she is 100% able to love him, heart AND head.

AllAboutLove wrote:Just some things about Tim regarding F2 girls from last two episode and feelings (positive/negative):


- The only ITM-face-face conversation with F2 girl during the entire upcoming ep preview is with April when he says "I know" when she says she is scared (fear/doubt). No words said to Trish's face when she says to him her heart loves but head says it is crazy (fear/doubt). correct AAL the same in Brad's preview Bianka is shown saying this is crazy huh babe and Tim says nothing

- Tim VO/PI about doubts he doesn't mention Trish's name just "She has to believe its worth taking a chance on us". He does mention April's name... "I need to know April is here with me despite those..fears". before that comment AAL Tim says in VO "I am crazy about Trish and then he says "she has to believe"....in Brad's preview it is the same Brad says in VO "I am falling for Bianka" then continues "I am insecure to think she might not like me

- ITM-Face to Trish's face "fell a long time ago" HTD. Said nothing to April's face. exactly just like in Bianka's HTD Brad says it to Bianka

- ITM-not-to-face about fell so hard in that moment about April. No ITM-not-to-face with Trish (she had face-to-face) but you never hear him or see him say April in the that ITM

- Tim VO "Crazy for Trish". No VO Tim mentioning April's name.

I haven't seen or hear Tim mention April is a full sentence expressing his feelings for her or even face to face to share her feelings or I need to have your walls fall....nothing....it has been impied by really good edit JMO

Great job in laying out the editing so well. Keep it coming ... you've got me hooked.

AllAboutLove wrote:IA with that. No April SC of her and whole family. Amazingly similar in the edit of the preview then. Too funny

ETA: Just realised I was posting in the Trish thread. Speaking of which and to give some evidence to Trish-F1. Want to focus on the feelings Tim has for Trish that we have heard/seen thus far...

2-1 Date = Tim says he understands why Trish would end an engagement because you feel something missing. Takes courage.
Italy Date = Tim told Trish he was afraid of getting hurt in the end.
Trish HTD = Trish tells Tim thinks she is falling for him. After Trish tells Tim this, Tim tells Trish face to face he fell for her a long time ago.
Upcoming Episodes = Tim VO that he is crazy for Trish. Trish tells Tim on their picnic date that her heart says she loves him but her head says that is crazy. Tim VO if applied to Trish he says she has to believe it's worth taking a chance on US.

So here is how I can see a story/arc by piecing what Tim has said to/about Trish together:

- If anything, one can see this as a progression from Tim seeing Trish as someone that will only marry someone that she is 100% about and there is nothing 'missing' since, BEFORE their Italy date, Trish told him she ended her engagement for just that reason.
- Next time he spends with Trish, Tim tells her he is scared on their Italy date about being hurt in the end, and Trish doesn't say anything to reassure him about her feelings for him, just that it is nice to know he has insecurities too.
- Then on HTD she says it is hard to talk about her feelings but she feels she is falling for him and Tim's response is to tell her that he has already fallen for her.
- So, thus far, Tim is giving more than Trish is, being more vulnerable and open about his feelings than Trish is.
- Coming off of HTD, VO Tim says that he is crazy for Trish. This along with telling Trish to her face he fell for her a long time ago, Tim is full-on excited about Trish.
- At picnic in Moorea and after HTD, Trish goes from saying she thinks she's falling to Tim to telling Tim that her heart says she loves him but her head says that is crazy. She is still not 100% sure. Tim VO of her believing to take a chance on 'us'.
- Thus, Tim could view this once again as maybe she is not 100% sure and her telling him about ending an engagement can cause him to feel even more insecure about whether she is 100% able to love him, heart AND head.

So AAL I love your thought process and storyline....you are better at that then me so thank you. You laid out so much of my thoughts but what I think is interesting is the last words/question on the preview. They are misleading us because of April's meltdown and her desire to go home but because what I think Tim is hooked he is derailed when you hear Trisha whispers "I think I want to go home" because we see April say it so no surprise there but when Trisha says the girl that has expressed she has fallin but her head is crazy he has to do something.....he goes talk with April hence the beach scene....I have always thought no passion on that but sweet caring it might be the kiss goodbye so he can just woooo Trisha in the black sundress the next day.....I know crazy but it can be Trisha goes home and the obvious F1 is April and the edit was just done to match what they did last time.

^^ IMO I saw lots of passion in the kiss that Tim was about to give April. His mouth was open and looked as though he would swallow her whole.