Bachelor Canada - Season 2 - *Sleuthing - *Spoilers* - *Speculation* - Discussion #2

AllAboutLove wrote:ITA northernviewer. And that IG photo of Tim at his home spooning out some squash/pumpkin with wine on the table... he hinted the other wine glass is for someone else... If you look at SCs of April, she always has a red wine glass in her hand, same as in Tim's IG.

northernviewer wrote:

lennygirl wrote:

see2love wrote:I honestly think Lisa would have been brought to the Final 2 ahead of Trisha if she had not gone rogue with the Italian guy. He had more chemistry with her than Trisha IMO

see2love - I agree too! There was a lot of chemistry between those two. Can't wait to figure out what TRULY happened tonight when she gets grilled though...

I think so too, not because I think she was any real competition for April, but that he enjoyed her company and she was less invested in the relationship and wouldn't be hurt the way Trisha would be.  I think production talked him out of keeping Lisa as she would just make him look foolish.  I know cameras weren't filming the girls night out, but I'd imagine some type of handler was out with them and would have reported back to Tim what went on.  Or production would have talked to the girls and compared stories, realizing that they weren't lying.  

Sprite wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:When going through the different thread topics for this season I noticed the following...

There seems to be 2 methods that have been utilized in sleuthing for TBCanada Season 2:
1) emphasis on comparing 2 seasons with each other (comparing edit/elements of Brad vs. Tim's season and both season F2 girls) *slanted more towards Trish=F1*
2) emphasis placed on examining the season as presented (focus on the story, SCs, SM, told with less emphasis to past season) *slanted more towards April=F1*

I find these two approaches fascinating since the only other sleuthing I have done on this board was recently with TBAustralia Season 2. Also with 2 seasons and a non-US franchise (they do their own thing there) very little to any emphasis was placed on comparing the 1st to 2nd TBAU seasons , even if things were similar or dissimilar. All that was done was look at the story that was being presented by itself and using these clues to figure out who F1 was. By focusing on the story, SCs, SM, etc, many of us, including myself, were able to determine accurately who the F1 was.
-- I guess I am doing the same with TBCanada season 2... looking at the story, SC, SM, etc and analysing all this to determine F1 and by doing so have come up with April=F1 (barring her leaving).
-- When comparing seasons, and focusing on the edit similarities, there seems to be evidence that supports Trish=F1.

The fact that Brad and Tim, as well as the past and current F2 girls are so different from one another makes it difficult for me believe that the producers would make the exact same/very similar edit regardless of this fact (seems like a lot of work for them). Imo, the edit follows the story rather than the story following the edit. Comparing seasons rather than following the story seems to be putting more emphasis on editing people to fit a previous mould. What will be fascinating to find out, for me personally, because these two approaches can come up with different results, is seeing which approach holds more validity once we know the end.

Exactly. That is the crux of the matter. Do you sleuth based on comparing previous seasons and trying to fit things based on that or do you follow the current story and examine how things shape up now? Several of us have said it previously but...the edit does not drive the story, the story drives the edit.

The US version of the show has 10 Bachelorette seasons and 18 Bachelor seasons. You can see what a mess it becomes if you try to compare all these seasons instead of focusing on what is being shown.

AllAboutLove wrote:Regarding the drama girl as F2 last season... Tim has done a really good job getting rid of drama-girl's and taking two girls who are there for the right reasons to the F2.

Imo, the two blog writers that do see April as F1, Brad and Sharleen, are not misleading.  I think they have a vested interest in coming across as correct rather than just misleading for the sake of it. Both have been on the show themselves and if anything, Brad saying he thinks April=F1 causes most people to think the opposite since most people think, why would he spoil the ending if he knows it? It is like reverse psychology. So obvious that it cannot be when it really is. It actually is a smart idea to paint a story like that because everyone thinks that it's too obvious to be true. Imo, I think Brad is more interested in being correct about his pick than misleading. Chalk it up to a guy-ego thing. With Sharleen, she is also looking at it from an insider's point of view and I am sure would rather be correct than playing the game. The audience for TBCanada is very small, even in comparison to other non-US franchises. Their SM following is a fracture of TBAU and they have the same amount of seasons, with both 2nd season's airing this year. Again, jmho, but I think that these two bloggers who have been there before (bach/bette) would rather be correct than a mere puppet to mislead.  

richmondrose wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

lennygirl wrote:

see2love - I agree too! There was a lot of chemistry between those two. Can't wait to figure out what TRULY happened tonight when she gets grilled though...

I think so too, not because I think she was any real competition for April, but that he enjoyed her company and she was less invested in the relationship and wouldn't be hurt the way Trisha would be.  I think production talked him out of keeping Lisa as she would just make him look foolish.  I know cameras weren't filming the girls night out, but I'd imagine some type of handler was out with them and would have reported back to Tim what went on.  Or production would have talked to the girls and compared stories, realizing that they weren't lying.  

I'm pretty sure Lisa would have been in F2 and possibly have ended up as F1. If I don't hear "I came here for love and that's gone now" directed at one of the F2 in the next episodes,  I'm inclined to believe it was really  a comment about his feelings when he let Lisa go. Why else would he be doing a half Mesnick on the bridge accompanied by the VO?  Why, know about her deceit, give her a second chance, giving her her a rose over Kaylynn even though Sachelle filled in the blanks that were missing in Lisa's account to him? Why did he allow himself to look foolish in front of the girls who also knew the real story?  Why ... because he was emotionally invested in her, that's why.

Aunties_Love wrote:
If I remember right, in the USA version, it was seen that there was a pattern with dates, editing and such that it itself became a tool for  figuring out the F1.  Now because of that, it got to the point that the F1 came from the epi 3 dates and the F3 actually came usually from the first individual date.  That was a pattern for several seasons so the question here is:  Why not look for a pattern between the editing, dates, stats for itm's etc....why can't that happen with this series??  Again, since we only have one season before, that is what we can compare to.  I am sure if there were several seasons, the comparrisons would be wider and more varied.

northernviewer wrote:


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I don't believe Lisa ever had a shot at F1.  The tears on the bridge was probably just him being bothered by the whole process, being lied to and brought forth the same insecurities that he mentioned to Trisha... that he was going to get turned down at the end.  That VO about looking for love and it being gone, could have been edited and not said in the same sentence, and taken totally out of context.  If he was interested in Lisa as his F1, he'd have given her more of a chance to explain herself.

northernviewer wrote:Comparing season's, IMO, makes no sense whatsoever to me.  I don't believe for one second that the editors sit down and say "so, team, lets go back and count all the SC's and VO's, for the F1 and the F2 in Brad's season... and duplicate it."  neither do they say to Tim.... "so I know we're only a week into filming, but could you please tell us who your final girl is, and your second choice, so we know when to give them dates - especially the 2/1".....

I agree with points above, they have a different story to tell this season, and they're presenting it in a different manner.

Aunties_Love wrote:

northernviewer wrote:Comparing season's, IMO, makes no sense whatsoever to me.  I don't believe for one second that the editors sit down and say "so, team, lets go back and count all the SC's and VO's, for the F1 and the F2 in Brad's season... and duplicate it."  neither do they say to Tim.... "so I know we're only a week into filming, but could you please tell us who your final girl is, and your second choice, so we know when to give them dates - especially the 2/1".....

I agree with points above, they have a different story to tell this season, and they're presenting it in a different manner.

What I do believe though is that during the 2/1 they likely said pick 2 of maybe 4 that he's really interested in versus the ones that he could see letting go.  those two would go on the 2/1.  Also, I believe as I heard it said somewhere that by the 3rd epi, they know the ones that are really important to the lead and work off of those ones.  That does lend to the editing  and dates that the girls go on.  As it's been said over and over how Tim isn't picking the dates or who goes on them so to me, assuming that he saved the date in Toronto just for April is likely stretching it.  I am sure she is one of the others that he said he was really interested in.