Bachelor Canada - Season 2 - *Sleuthing - *Spoilers* - *Speculation* - Discussion #2

4health wrote:

Sprite wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:When going through the different thread topics for this season I noticed the following...

There seems to be 2 methods that have been utilized in sleuthing for TBCanada Season 2:
1) emphasis on comparing 2 seasons with each other (comparing edit/elements of Brad vs. Tim's season and both season F2 girls) *slanted more towards Trish=F1*
2) emphasis placed on examining the season as presented (focus on the story, SCs, SM, told with less emphasis to past season) *slanted more towards April=F1*

I find these two approaches fascinating since the only other sleuthing I have done on this board was recently with TBAustralia Season 2. Also with 2 seasons and a non-US franchise (they do their own thing there) very little to any emphasis was placed on comparing the 1st to 2nd TBAU seasons , even if things were similar or dissimilar. All that was done was look at the story that was being presented by itself and using these clues to figure out who F1 was. By focusing on the story, SCs, SM, etc, many of us, including myself, were able to determine accurately who the F1 was.
-- I guess I am doing the same with TBCanada season 2... looking at the story, SC, SM, etc and analysing all this to determine F1 and by doing so have come up with April=F1 (barring her leaving).
-- When comparing seasons, and focusing on the edit similarities, there seems to be evidence that supports Trish=F1.

The fact that Brad and Tim, as well as the past and current F2 girls are so different from one another makes it difficult for me believe that the producers would make the exact same/very similar edit regardless of this fact (seems like a lot of work for them). Imo, the edit follows the story rather than the story following the edit. Comparing seasons rather than following the story seems to be putting more emphasis on editing people to fit a previous mould. What will be fascinating to find out, for me personally, because these two approaches can come up with different results, is seeing which approach holds more validity once we know the end.

Exactly. That is the crux of the matter. Do you sleuth based on comparing previous seasons and trying to fit things based on that or do you follow the current story and examine how things shape up now? Several of us have said it previously but...the edit does not drive the story, the story drives the edit.

The US version of the show has 10 Bachelorette seasons and 18 Bachelor seasons. You can see what a mess it becomes if you try to compare all these seasons instead of focusing on what is being shown.

The story does drive the edit but the story just might want to be hidden hence the edit can mislead.    As a person that has been involved with the the US version and all the seasons there are threads just for the edit and just for body language etc.  All other bachelor seasons/ette seasons have stats and comparisons done all day long.     BachCan only has one other season so why can't we think out of the box ..... if your sleuthing style works for you and it is how you see it great but if what I see happens great for me also.  Different strokes for different folks.

northernviewer wrote:Comparing season's, IMO, makes no sense whatsoever to me.  I don't believe for one second that the editors sit down and say "so, team, lets go back and count all the SC's and VO's, for the F1 and the F2 in Brad's season... and duplicate it."  neither do they say to Tim.... "so I know we're only a week into filming, but could you please tell us who your final girl is, and your second choice, so we know when to give them dates - especially the 2/1".....

I agree with points above, they have a different story to tell this season, and they're presenting it in a different manner.

AllAboutLove wrote:What I find most problematic about comparing TBCanada seasons is that Brad and Bianca become the greatest supporting evidence for Tim and his F1 when, imho, Tim and his F1 must be their own greatest supporting evidence.

For me, that evidence comes down to whom the lead is chasing (emotionally/physically/etc). It is a constant that can be most relied upon regardless of season (1st vs. 2nd/18th), franchise (US vs Non-US), story (drama vs. love) or edit (hidden vs. obvious). Based on what has been shown thus far (TV, SC, Blogs) Tim as the lead has chased April the most.

jojo47 wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:What I find most problematic about comparing TBCanada seasons is that Brad and Bianca become the greatest supporting evidence for Tim and his F1 when, imho, Tim and his F1 must be their own greatest supporting evidence.

For me, that evidence comes down to whom the lead is chasing (emotionally/physically/etc). It is a constant that can be most relied upon regardless of season (1st vs. 2nd/18th), franchise (US vs Non-US), story (drama vs. love) or edit (hidden vs. obvious). Based on what has been shown thus far (TV, SC, Blogs) Tim as the lead has chased April the most.

Yes I agree, Tim has chased April the most this season, and that's very obvious to many of us here. The similarity drawn to Brad/Bianka last season is that Brad very obviously chased Bianka after their date in Mexico.

djogbenyuie wrote:The thing is, here the editing itself is not really pointing to Trish. The stats are.
I mean, when you think about it, taking this season alone, what in the editing really points to Trish as F1? not the F1 music not the positioning during rose ceremonies, not the way her story is narrated, not the cut scenes etc. For me that is editing.
And with Brad it was never that confusing because even if they tried to make us think he chose whitney with the editing, they also show a clear love story between him and Bianka.
This season, if Trish is F1, we are not shown clearly the love story. I know there are really good stuffs that supports their connection but we always have those for F2s for every season of every bachelor. But for us to comprehend that he is madly in love with Trish only and that he would choose her no matter what happened with April, they are not doing a very good job as last year.

Anyway ,the viewers are divided (almost 50/50 for who the F1 is), the sleuthing brings two different conclusions...for sure they have been really good keeping the suspense this season.

AllAboutLove wrote:What I find most problematic about comparing TBCanada seasons is that Brad and Bianca become the greatest supporting evidence for Tim and his F1 when, imho, Tim and his F1 must be their own greatest supporting evidence.

For me, that evidence comes down to whom the lead is chasing (emotionally/physically/etc). It is a constant that can be most relied upon regardless of season (1st vs. 2nd/18th), franchise (US vs Non-US), story (drama vs. love) or edit (hidden vs. obvious). Based on what has been shown thus far (TV, SC, Blogs) Tim as the lead has chased April the most.

4health wrote:

djogbenyuie wrote:The thing is, here the editing itself is not really pointing to Trish. The stats are.
I mean, when you think about it, taking this season alone, what in the editing really points to Trish as F1? not the F1 music not the positioning during rose ceremonies, not the way her story is narrated, not the cut scenes etc. For me that is editing.
And with Brad it was never that confusing because even if they tried to make us think he chose whitney with the editing, they also show a clear love story between him and Bianka.
This season, if Trish is F1, we are not shown clearly the love story. I know there are really good stuffs that supports their connection but we always have those for F2s for every season of every bachelor. But for us to comprehend that he is madly in love with Trish only and that he would choose her no matter what happened with April, they are not doing a very good job as last year.

Anyway ,the viewers are divided (almost 50/50 for who the F1 is), the sleuthing brings two different conclusions...for sure they have been really good keeping the suspense this season.

The edit is just one thing I like to look at and have fun with, but that isn't the only thing I base my choice on.  I am TeamTim and have said so from day one.  I am just fine if what I see on my scene and what I enjoy sleuthing and looking at isn't the right outcome...what is the right outcome is that I enjoyed the show and the lead gets what he is looking for.    

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How do you know when you’ve found the one?

Tim Warmels: That’s a very gut feeling thing. I think one day you just wake up and you think to yourself  “This is a good thing that I don’t want to have end at any point.” My relationships before this are what really taught me that I really am ready for something for the rest of my life. They were happy relationships and for that period of time in my life, they were very comfortable and very loving and very happy relationships, so it was hard to leave them. But it was because I knew that down the road there was something missing from it that wouldn’t leave me satisfied.

tigertiz wrote:Yes they have to be their own best evidence. But there always has to be a dilemma that is overcome at the end as well. I see no drama for Trisha ( unless she has a problematic MTP ).
When you look at who the lead is chasing, yet again it's April. The chasee is always the F1.