Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion #2

Élan was Josh's handler too I highly doubt that post wasn't directed at MeAndi I think it's only a matter of time before someone spills the tea on her diva ways it's already happening with the Nick invite to the oremier

^ I thought Elan was Nick's handler. I think Josh had a woman handler.

Ash2214 wrote:^ I thought Elan was Nick's handler. I think Josh had a woman handler.

I didn't know Elan was a handler, I thought he was just one of the main producers?

Maybe I was wrong I thought it was him and they were tight because of the pony, could me my mistake though

I don't think Elan has specific handling duties anymore. He's more of a general producer now.

aviej wrote:To me this is a man who came scarily close to losing his mom and so appreciates that he still has her.  We have seen through the other siblings relationships that some are okay with this family's dynamic.  

Personally, it is okay if Andi isn't comfortable with it, but then it means to me that Andi and Josh probably aren't right for each other.  I think she deserves what makes her happy, but he should also be allowed to love and appreciate his family.  

I don't think Andi should have to put up with anything she doesn't want to, but she also then needs to find a man whose relationship with his family doesn't make her uncomfortable.  I saw that she wasn't fully okay with the Murray family dynamic on his HTD.  It is okay to feel what you feel, but then you are the one who needs to not be there, you can't change who someone is.

Oh and CH is the biggest lying mouth piece in the history of entertainment.  JPG was loved by CH and the family until he refused to spout their lines.  Don't forget CH was happy to push Nick until he got him to reveal that Andi had sex with him.  CH is not the friend of these contestants.  He is in fact their worse nightmare.

Guys I'm all for family love, I'm a self proclaimed daddy's girl -my mom knows it, as well as my husband. But I think the point where the parental relationship can be offensive and destructive to a child's relationship with their fiancée (using my own experience), is when the opinions of family are placed higher than that of a spouse. Maybe the distinction between a fiancé and spouse is different. But, I can say that my husband had a major problem with me when I sought counsel from my dad on a family decision (between me and my husband) and that I sided with my dad's perspective over my husband's. Or, there are times when my husband might suggest X and I would ignore it, but the moment my father suggests the same thing, all of a sudden I want to follow his advice. So I can see why Andi may be slighted in terms of when input was given from the Murrays, on matters that pertained exclusively to Josh and Andi. And while family input is well and good, I think that utlimately when it comes to a spouse you gotta place their opinion over that of your parents', IMO. [/quote]

Avie, I am sure you and your husband learned to compromise through that. Josh unfollowing his family and ignoring them was not the way, saying he loves his mommy the most isn't the way and asking your fiance who has a strong faith to spend a holiday which means nothing to you with your family in Vegas is not the way.

I think that if these two people felt they could compromise on this they would have. I think they genuinely tried and it just didn't work. Neither should have had to give up their families and IMO, Andi seemed happy only when Josh was completely choosing her over his family. No compromise there.

Nick favorited Elan's PSA tweet: You are not famous, get over it.
Coincidence?

SueSt wrote:Nick favorited Elan's PSA tweet: You are not famous, get over it.
Coincidence?  

I think not!

SueSt wrote:Nick favorited Elan's PSA tweet: You are not famous, get over it.
Coincidence?  

I wish he wouldn't have because Elan made some not so subtle digs at Nick in the days following the ATFR, to the point that a bunch of people were calling him out on twitter for it and telling him to delete it. Some of it or all of it was deleted, but I can't remember specifically what he said. Elan can be really funny, but sometimes he seems sort of mean spirited.

"Get over it" is getting a lot of use this past week.

And while family input is well and good, I think that utlimately when it comes to a spouse you gotta place their opinion over that of your parents

Lets say Andi didn't get along with the family as suspected since they hadn't seen his family in months, and she gives Josh an ultimatum. Are we saying that we should agree with Andi because she's the spouse/fiancee? Sometimes the spouse is wrong and unreasonable and the parents are right. Neither should be living their lives doing what the other disagrees with. I don't know that that's the case but there must have been many issues, not just one, to cause the break up IMO.

I know there was conversations justifying that his family was 4-6 hours away and it was difficult to see them, however I don't buy it. If my family lived 4-6 hours away I'd be visiting more than a couple of times in a 6 month span, or, I'd have them over visiting making supper and enjoying the visit.

grace8136 wrote:

SueSt wrote:Nick favorited Elan's PSA tweet: You are not famous, get over it.
Coincidence?  

I wish he wouldn't have because Elan made some not so subtle digs at Nick in the days following the ATFR, to the point that a bunch of people were calling him out on twitter for it and telling him to delete it. Some of it or all of it was deleted, but I can't remember specifically what he said. Elan can be really funny, but sometimes he seems sort of mean spirited.

That's interesting Grace. Too bad you don't recall what Elan said... I'd be interested...
Either way, Nick and Elan seem to have buried the hatchet... they've tweeted pics of each other and themselves together.

I'm beginning to think Andi may be out of the country, or atleast out of internet range. I tiwll be interesting to see what her first tweet or IG now post break-up.