Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion #2

Ash2214 wrote:

sdmom wrote:Kasha, I agree with you. I have my guess but not sure.
Also, remember some (I think it's TWO??) friends of Josh's sent RS about the Snapchat. With a friend like that, who needs enemy?

EDIT: just saw your recent post. That's who I have in mind. Again, just a guess on my part.

It didn't have to be friends. Snapchat is a public app that if you have the app also, you can see anyone's account. For example, since I have snapchat, I very, very easily could have seen who was under his favorites. Anyone could have.

Are you sure Ash? In the earlier days of snapchat you could, but it has changed and I remember at the time Josh's was revealed, only his friends were able to see it. Someone he had accepted/added sent a screenshot to RS.

I did not mean the one source I was thinking of giving him a weekly episode play by play. I don't think that the source I'm thinking of would even have had that info, that kind of specificity immed. after filming.
He has often said himself, from his POV, the only thing important is the outcome, that is primarily what I am referring.

mamahamme wrote:Oh my just read my last statement. I hope I don't make anyone upset with me! I don't want to make anyone mad. So very sorry again!

I fixed it for you.

sdmom wrote:

StacyNor wrote:WOW................... I really hope it is not true for Josh's sake.  


Oh, maybe Josh was in on it and knew everything about it and wanted to have RS in his side.

and sympathy from the public? IMO of course.

Honestly, I don't think she would do it without his knowledge.

bleuberry wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

sdmom wrote:Kasha, I agree with you. I have my guess but not sure.
Also, remember some (I think it's TWO??) friends of Josh's sent RS about the Snapchat. With a friend like that, who needs enemy?

EDIT: just saw your recent post. That's who I have in mind. Again, just a guess on my part.

It didn't have to be friends. Snapchat is a public app that if you have the app also, you can see anyone's account. For example, since I have snapchat, I very, very easily could have seen who was under his favorites. Anyone could have.

Are you sure Ash? In the earlier days of snapchat you could, but it has changed and I remember at the time Josh's was revealed, only his friends were able to see it. Someone he had accepted/added sent a screenshot to RS.

I remember after RS posted about the whole snapchat thing I searched Josh and his account wasn't private. It's possible he made it public once he started getting a ton of requests because of RS right before he deleted it, but regardless, if it was private, it still doesn't have to mean it was a friend. For example, I have 800 Facebook friends, but I would say I truly socialize with or truly know no more than 250 of them. Others are friends of friends, acquaintances, networking people, etc. I have over 45 people on snapchat through my contacts, but I snapchat the same 15 people. The same could be said for Josh. It didn't have to be one of his actual friends.

^ @ Ash, I agree, most people I know are pretty liberal with social media 'friendships' so I didn't think much of it really.

 Brain cancers are traditionally very deadly and also have a high occurrence of coming back.  Josh also made it very clear during taping that he was close to his family, so again, just as Josh knew Andi was a brat, Andi knew Josh loves his family very much.

It would have been wrong for Josh to try to change Andi and it would have been wrong for Andi to try to get in between him and his family.

I am on the other side of your story.  My first boyfriend, who I dated for four years and thought I would marry him for a good two and a half of those years, had a mother that hated me.  She was very conservative Catholic and I was Catholic, but more liberal.  She actually told me at one point I was going to hell.  Once it became clear that she and I were never ever going to get along, she used to ask us to pray for everyone, but my big sister had cancer at the time and when I told her she said, oh isn't that too bad.  It was the beginning of the end for us.  I just could never ask him to have to chose between me and his mom.  I guess it is just me, but I have always wanted a man with a great relationship with his family.  My family is completely wacko, so maybe it is that I wanted what I never had.

bleuberry wrote:^ @ Ash, I agree, most people I know are pretty liberal with social media 'friendships' so I didn't think much of it really.

The only problem I had was that they should have been using code name accounts. In the past the couples had code names for each other. It would have been smart for each one of them to make a dummy account to talk to each other with.

bleuberry wrote:^ @ Ash, I agree, most people I know are pretty liberal with social media 'friendships' so I didn't think much of it really.

People are far too liberal with social media, but I'm guilty of it too. To be fair to myself though most of those Facebook friends came from when I was in high school and just didn't care

Considering Josh already came from a fairly known background, I would bet he was pretty liberal with just accepting the requests. He already had a lot of Facebook "friends" and Twitter followers before the show even aired.

stuckinsc wrote: Brain cancers are traditionally very deadly and also have a high occurrence of coming back.  Josh also made it very clear during taping that he was close to his family, so again, just as Josh knew Andi was a brat, Andi knew Josh loves his family very much.

It would have been wrong for Josh to try to change Andi and it would have been wrong for Andi to try to get in between him and his family.

I am on the other side of your story.  My first boyfriend, who I dated for four years and thought I would marry him for a good two and a half of those years, had a mother that hated me.  She was very conservative Catholic and I was Catholic, but more liberal.  She actually told me at one point I was going to hell.  Once it became clear that she and I were never ever going to get along, she used to ask us to pray for everyone, but my big sister had cancer at the time and when I told her she said, oh isn't that too bad.  It was the beginning of the end for us.  I just could never ask him to have to chose between me and his mom.  I guess it is just me, but I have always wanted a man with a great relationship with his family.  My family is completely wacko, so maybe it is that I wanted what I never had.

We had a friend who just recently passed away from brain cancer. He was diagnosed, treated surgically and with radiation and it reoccured all within 18 months.  So yes, you go through traumas with family or friends and it teaches you lessons. Life is short. Enjoy what you have when you have it. Count your blessings, etc.
It was never anything, but in your face how close the entire Murray clan is. (said in a good way--it was admirable, imo) It was no secret. There was heavy debate on this forum regarding the implications of those tight family dynamics on a relationship. Many thought it would be difficult for someone with MEandI's personality to meld with this dynamic. It may have been.

My husband passed away from cancer so I do know how ugly of disease it is and the toll it takes on the family. I don't agree with ur bf mother being so rude and insensitive to u. But I do think josh has a different type relationship with his mom. I probably didn't handle this or say it right and I NEVER want to take anything from a  families love. This world needs more like them. I won't say anymore about this but it was something I noticed a long time ago. Believe me I see how strong willed Andi was on the show. Sometimes that's good but most times its not

Didn't Andi make some kind of comment about cutting the ties with his family when they were on the hometown date? Can't recall the exact words.