Andi Dorfman & Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 - General Discussion #2

MiaHawk wrote:
I can't remember which one of us said it, but I've got to borrow their line: "Not my circus. Not my monkeys."
However, I do find all of this somewhat amusing.  

luvlady345 wrote: That goes w/o saying that women like to stand on their own 2 feet and fight their own battles, but there is not a woman alive who has a partner who wouldn't want their partner to be protective and ready to come to their defense if need be, come on now.....  I know you don't like Andi but that is what IMO men are suppose to do......

FLChica wrote:It's just as likely that MELT advised their clients Andi & Josh that even a perceived family battle would decrease their likability hence their marketability.  MELT is the Atlanta based agency that Andi & Josh signed with to promote them and their endeavors.  MELT = marketing, entertainment, lifestyles, trends for those that are interested. They are billed as a sports & entertainment marketing agency with an emphasis on developing brand strategies.  I believe they represent (or represented) another Bach couple that vigorously explore various options open to good looking, "likable" couples....

stuckinsc wrote:

aviej wrote:It's easy to place blame on Josh, because Josh's character has been more visible on TV. Yes Aaron is a pro athlete and is very popular but you really cannot assess much of his character when he is throwing balls on a field. How many actual conversations Aaron has had on TV as opposed to Josh? How many different scenarios were placed before Aaron on TV to get a good sense of his character? Also, he is not as visible on sm as Josh is. So maybe he's wise for not posting as many posts, but by virtue that Josh is out there in the media makes him more susceptible to criticism. It doesn't mean he is less mature than Aaron, or more rash than Aaron because, we simply have not seen enough of Aaron to make that assessment. But again, this is just my opinion.

People in GA and near UGA (I am 45 minutes away from UGA) watched Aaron grow up.

If you have not lived in the south it is hard to understand what being a football player and a high profile football player like QB at a school like UGA means.  People here know Aaron they have followed him and they have seen his character with his actions on and off the field.  I knew of Josh from reading articles, but most don't have any idea who Josh even is.  And these are young women and men in their 20s.  Aaron as the QB at UGA was notable and they followed him.  Most here could give a crap less about Josh, seriously, I have multiple times tried to start viewing parties here to share my obsession with and none of my friends/students are interested, even this summer when I said that Aaron Murray's big brother was on the show, no one wanted to watch with me.  Watch a football game, heck yeah, 75% say yes.

So yes, I do feel as if I do know something about Aaron, I have watched him grow up and become a good man.  He did lots for the community and this area.  If you want to know why Dawgs love Josh so much, I can tell you that a lot of that has to do with Aaron.

I know to fans of this show it might seem different, but in the real world here in GA, Aaron is the awesome one and Andi and Josh are just two people who they might recognize as having decided to go on reality tv.  

stuckinsc wrote: Like single mothers who actually have to support their children all on their own.  Or wives of military husbands who have to take care of everything.  Women who give their all and care for others and not have to act like b****es to do it. To me that is strength.  
 To me real strength is when you can face opposition or hard times and actually have grace and not have to blame the other or break down all the time.  We did not see this with Andi.  When it wasn't Andi's way she got mean and nasty or cried until she got her way.

Alanna wrote:

luvlady345 wrote: That goes w/o saying that women like to stand on their own 2 feet and fight their own battles, but there is not a woman alive who has a partner who wouldn't want their partner to be protective and ready to come to their defense if need be, come on now.....  I know you don't like Andi but that is what IMO men are suppose to do......

IA, I think most people, not just women, want their partner to be protective of them and their relationship. I think defriending his family is stupid but he probably thought it was best. I really doubt this means Josh challenged mm out for a rumble in the junk yard to defend Andi's honor though.

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stuckinsc wrote: Like single mothers who actually have to support their children all on their own.  Or wives of military husbands who have to take care of everything.  Women who give their all and care for others and not have to act like b****es to do it. To me that is strength.  
 To me real strength is when you can face opposition or hard times and actually have grace and not have to blame the other or break down all the time.  We did not see this with Andi.  When it wasn't Andi's way she got mean and nasty or cried until she got her way.

I think there's a difference between a strong woman and a woman of strong personality (or a strong-minded woman). ITA with the bolded part. To me, a strong woman shows grace and courage when facing challenges/difficult times in life. What has Andi done that made her a strong woman? I am curious to know.
BTW, I think it's great she and Josh attended charity events. I hope they will continue to support worthy causes.

Laudergirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

aviej wrote:It's easy to place blame on Josh, because Josh's character has been more visible on TV. Yes Aaron is a pro athlete and is very popular but you really cannot assess much of his character when he is throwing balls on a field. How many actual conversations Aaron has had on TV as opposed to Josh? How many different scenarios were placed before Aaron on TV to get a good sense of his character? Also, he is not as visible on sm as Josh is. So maybe he's wise for not posting as many posts, but by virtue that Josh is out there in the media makes him more susceptible to criticism. It doesn't mean he is less mature than Aaron, or more rash than Aaron because, we simply have not seen enough of Aaron to make that assessment. But again, this is just my opinion.

People in GA and near UGA (I am 45 minutes away from UGA) watched Aaron grow up.

If you have not lived in the south it is hard to understand what being a football player and a high profile football player like QB at a school like UGA means.  People here know Aaron they have followed him and they have seen his character with his actions on and off the field.  I knew of Josh from reading articles, but most don't have any idea who Josh even is.  And these are young women and men in their 20s.  Aaron as the QB at UGA was notable and they followed him.  Most here could give a crap less about Josh, seriously, I have multiple times tried to start viewing parties here to share my obsession with and none of my friends/students are interested, even this summer when I said that Aaron Murray's big brother was on the show, no one wanted to watch with me.  Watch a football game, heck yeah, 75% say yes.

So yes, I do feel as if I do know something about Aaron, I have watched him grow up and become a good man.  He did lots for the community and this area.  If you want to know why Dawgs love Josh so much, I can tell you that a lot of that has to do with Aaron.

I know to fans of this show it might seem different, but in the real world here in GA, Aaron is the awesome one and Andi and Josh are just two people who they might recognize as having decided to go on reality tv.  

What I find interesting is that many of the articles I have read (yes, I have stalked on the internet) have stated that Josh was like a father figure to Aaron throughout all his UGA years. He helped him and guided him to make good decisions and stay on track with his goals. Even Aaron has stated this. So with that, I would presume Josh is partly responsible for Aaron becoming the great guy talked about here. Sure, Aaron was a hero in Athens, I get it. I realize that players are worshiped on and off the field, especially in the SEC. But what does the fact that friends and neighbors don't know or care who Josh is have to do with his personal character?  So they know more about Aaron with his higher profile in Georgia. How does that diminish the kind of person Josh is? They were both brought up by the same parents with the same core values. Former teammates have even stated that they are basically the same person. Both seem like incredible men, and I think both Andi and Kacie are lucky to have them.