Bachelor In Paradise - **Finale** - Episode 7 - September 8 2014 - General Discussion - *Spoilers*

JBF wrote:Ain't I awful? This show has given me a quirky "perspective" on these Reality TV actors and actresses.

You are not awful, you are Great!

I watched (in the middle of the night, thanks MNF! ) and actually thought it was a little anticlimactic, but that might have been because I was spoiled and knew what would happen). The Graham/Ashlee breakup was mild, Ashlee didn't lose it like I expected, and with all of her "sweet" comments about her best friend Michelle and her future husband Graham before the anvil dropped on her head, you could almost feel sorry for her. As a viewer looking to be entertained, that wasn't what I wanted! I think that by having CH put pressure on these couples to "go big or go home", it ended up forcing Graham to break up because he didn't want to leave Ashlee with any expectations that he was committed to a future with her on the outside. Otherwise, I suspect that he would have been happy to leave with the agreement that they would "see where things went" in the future, and then allow the relationship to die a slow death.

The Robert/Sarah situation remains very fishy. Maybe they edited the heck out of their convos, but the end result is that it appeared that a simple lack of honest communication caused the death of their relationship. Why can't people just talk to each other about what's bothering them when it's happening, especially when you finally have some privacy? If Robert really was sleeping in his jeans (will this now be known as "jeansgate"?), which would clearly be bizarre behavior under the circumstances, Sarah, why didn't you confront him at that time about what he was trying to tell you, and Robert, why didn't you tell her how YOU were feeling as well?? Sheesh. Of course, when they did finally talk the next day, there was such a disconnect in what each said to the other, that it probably was all sneaky editing and the producers just aren't showing us what actually went wrong with them.

Marcus and Lacy are very sweet but very high school, I agree. And they are still giving each other hickeys, so yeah, that fits right in. They both appear to be kind of simple and uncomplicated emotionally, so a good match. Something not simple was that ring he gave her, which I've seen before; I think NL has been pushing that one over the past several seasons to no avail. Not my taste but I'm sure Lacy loves it. Gotta love a freebie!!

Michelle and Cody really are an oddball couple, but they both seem to be filling a void in the other right now (beyond the FS ) . Not sure how well that will bode for the long term, but since a child is involved, I hope it works out for them. Anyone know how old Brielle is?

Loved seeing the 3 alumni couples and I thought they gave some good advice. I thought Molly looked pretty but she's gained some weight since she had the baby I guess. Supposedly they were all sweating bullets due to the heat, so maybe that's why nobody looked their best.

I have more respect for Sarah, she was really clear that the lack of intimacy both physical and emotional - pillow talk etc was not going to meet her needs. I think she believed that the signs were not what they should be and halted the relationship rather than going along with something that was not right.

Has it been canvassed that Jackie and Des's friendship may be why Jackie hesitated about Brooks?

JBF….you mentioned Mike Stag not getting tied down. He is married now.

I have no problem with Sarah standing up for herself. What bugged me was that she said as she was talking that she was happy until the other girls came back and started talking. Then she got upset because it was obvious they had sex and she didn't.

She wasn't all that into Robert either, the week before she was questioning if she should break up with Robert to go after Brooks.

I think Robert and Nick with their feelings and behavior toward sex have shown that some men do take sex seriously when it comes to a relationship.

From Robert's perspective it seemed that he wanted to see where they could go, but wanted to take it slow.

I don't think you are either attracted to people or not. You can develop love and attraction as you get to know someone. I know it has happened to me. So maybe Robert wasn't ready to jump all over Sarah, but he liked and respected Sarah and wanted to see if something could grow.

I trust that more than Cody who in ten days in paradise went from only wanting Clare to being in love with Michelle and knowing he wants to marry her and be her husband someday.

I see a lot of arranged marriages and a foundation of friendship and respect can grow into a love and attraction. Immediate attraction can just as easily dull once you realize that you don't really like the person underneath.

Ooops! I did just google. Mike got hitched only recently. Boy! Have I been out of the loop!
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/michael-stagliano-marries-bachelor-pad-winner-weds-emily-tuchscherer-2014255

Went ahead and re-edited my previous post.

Oh, I never felt real emotion from either Graham or AshLee towards each other. To me AshLee claimed Graham and he either had to stick it out with her or leave. I am sad we didn't get to see a date with Clare and Graham. Clare's giddy enthusiasm might have brought out a more spirited side to Graham.

For all the tears, AshLee seemed more upset to be leaving alone then to not be with Graham anymore.

Christy H making fun of Robert for liking boys more than girls means she fits right in with Kelly T. Hope she didn't destroy Nick's hair. I am officially unimpressed with her in everyway.

Just listened to afterbuzz. Ashlee had the producer organise a date which involved making graham a bball court. SO SWEET AND THOUGHTFUL. Robert said she was very sweet to evryone and she was not thrilled abt her editing. She was even prepared to move to LA for graham but jst it didnt work out. Sounded more on grahams part. But zack said she has moved on when danny asked if she moved to LA next week would they still give it a shot. Jst bummed cause graham and ashlee are fav tweets that are kinda like digs at each other. Hope there is no bad blood between them

stuckinsc wrote:Oh, I never felt real emotion from either Graham or AshLee towards each other.  To me AshLee claimed Graham and he either had to stick it out with her or leave.  I am sad we didn't get to see a date with Clare and Graham.  Clare's giddy enthusiasm might have brought out a more spirited side to Graham.

For all the tears, AshLee seemed more upset to be leaving alone then to not be with Graham anymore.

Christy H making fun of  Robert for liking boys more than girls means she fits right in with Kelly T.  Hope she didn't destroy Nick's hair.  I am officially unimpressed with her in everyway.

Nick who??

nutty1 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Oh, I never felt real emotion from either Graham or AshLee towards each other.  To me AshLee claimed Graham and he either had to stick it out with her or leave.  I am sad we didn't get to see a date with Clare and Graham.  Clare's giddy enthusiasm might have brought out a more spirited side to Graham.

For all the tears, AshLee seemed more upset to be leaving alone then to not be with Graham anymore.

Christy H making fun of  Robert for liking boys more than girls means she fits right in with Kelly T.  Hope she didn't destroy Nick's hair.  I am officially unimpressed with her in everyway.

Nick who??

Nick Viall, he had an appointment last week to have her cut his hair. They were tweeting back and forth about it.

stuckinsc wrote:

nutty1 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Oh, I never felt real emotion from either Graham or AshLee towards each other.  To me AshLee claimed Graham and he either had to stick it out with her or leave.  I am sad we didn't get to see a date with Clare and Graham.  Clare's giddy enthusiasm might have brought out a more spirited side to Graham.

For all the tears, AshLee seemed more upset to be leaving alone then to not be with Graham anymore.

Christy H making fun of  Robert for liking boys more than girls means she fits right in with Kelly T.  Hope she didn't destroy Nick's hair.  I am officially unimpressed with her in everyway.

Nick who??

Nick Viall, he had an appointment last week to have her cut his hair.  They were tweeting back and forth about it.

I thought they were just joking with her especially since she lives in TX. Was she in Chicago?

joshfan wrote:Just listened to afterbuzz. Ashlee had the producer organise a date which involved making graham a bball court. SO SWEET AND THOUGHTFUL. Robert said she was very sweet to evryone and she was not thrilled abt her editing. She was even prepared to move to LA for graham but jst it didnt work out. Sounded more on grahams part. But zack said she has moved on when danny asked if she moved to LA next week would they still give it a shot. Jst bummed cause graham and ashlee are fav tweets that are kinda like digs at each other. Hope there is no bad blood between them

I still have to watch it. Bet all of my goofy perspectives will change with actual contestants explaining it all.