Bachelor In Paradise - **Finale** - Episode 7 - September 8 2014 - General Discussion - *Spoilers*

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Huge congratulations to @marcus_grodd and @lacyfaddoul - may you guys have a lifetime of unbelievably good looking bliss. I would say your odds are 120/0

GuardianAngel wrote:

Robert Graham @RobertGraham24
Jeans to bed?? That definitely didn't happen

This is why I'm not a fan of Sarah. Not the first time she's been a good little trooper saying and doing what they want her to.

Exactly.. how horrible to go beyond betraying a trust (as people say about Nick) to making things up. Not sure what is going on with Sarah. Maybe she has been hurt a lot.

I was so happy for Marcus and Lacy. They really seem so perfectly matched. She's going to take good care of him and he deserves that.

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stuckinsc wrote:Okay, I got stuck at work, and was going to catch up all the way before commenting.

BUT, Sarah, you were on Sean's season, he wouldn't have had sex with you in the FS either.  So how were you going to handle it?

Yeah, Michelle is leaving no doubt that she and Cody had sex.

Sarah didn't even like Robert at first, she wanted Marcus.  She is a little to mean for me.  

I am glad that Robert isn't stuck with Sarah.

It is never good to judge your date by other people.  Sarah was happy until she didn't have as good a time as the other girls.

Please, not a nice woman.  Someone cares for you and you throw it away because he isn't giddy for you.  Not everyone does giddy.

It didn't even seem like she actually liked him. She mostly just talked about how hot he was. I feel like if a guy dumped a girl because she didn't sleep with him in the FS, people would have HATED him…and Sarah just gets a pass. It's one thing if you don't feel the physical connection there at all, but to dump someone because they are not ready for sex after about 2 weeks of dating?

In general, I've read her recaps and she seems like kind of a shallow person. Even the way that she treated Dylan after crying about how alone she felt makes me think that she just wanted attention from the "hot" guys.

julychild wrote:I can tell from reading the tweets that the girls ended up with two camps. There is the Ashlee, Christy and Jackie camp, on the one hand, and the Clare, Michelle and Lacy camp,on the other. There is little or no love lost between these two. Sarah is like the beloved mascot or little sister to both camps. Women!!!!

I noticed that too! I don't know about Jackie (she seems so devoid of a personality), but AshLee and Christy are definitely the mean girls. Christy tweeted something about how Robert must be into boys…so inappropriate and childish. For the most part, I was impressed how Clare, Michelle, and Lacy stood up for each other and support each other throughout the show.

I completely understand and respect Robert not being ready for sex. That's his prerogative, but I feel as if people are oversimplifying Sarah's position. I feel it wasn't just about sex but she wanted to feel desired. Then in addition she had to go back to a house with two other very loved up couples that probably made her feel worse at that point in time.

umngirl wrote:Sometimes it looks like these girls put on makeup with a paintbrush.

FunFact: Lacy is not a big fan of make-up, she usually doesn't wear much and is (self-admittedly) not very good with it. (and according to one of her past tweets, she got "help" from the girls in Paradise.)



Also, as for "next spring" vs "a year from now on" wedding: As I mentioned here before, I was definitely told that they are looking at a summer wedding. So people.com is probably more accurate. (Same with moving in together... Neither are opposed to moving, they just got some things to sort out in their professional lifes. Lacy wants to leave her elderly care facilities in a good hand.(she is "only" running 2 at the moment), and actually likes the idea of starting a new one in Texas(so, it'll probs be her moving to Dallas). They won't be moving in the next couple of weeks though.

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albean99 wrote:

happygirl77us wrote:I wonder why they made sure to point out Graham closed his twitter account

That was just a joke, happygirl. AshLee told Graham something about knowing he was a great guy from his Instagram. He still has it btw. I was so happy that he told her it wasn't happening early in the episode. I'm sure he couldn't take the drama. I wonder if that's why it didn't work out with Michelle? She's definitely full of the drama. The jury's out on her & Cody. They're the oddest couple yet from this show. 

I actually am on Sarah's side.  First of all I believe her about the jeans. Robert's probably just embarrased. I don't think it was just about sex but about the fact that he didn't seem into her and them being in a FS highlighted it for her. I think Sarah needs a guy who will show her affection and that he's attracted to her. Robert definitely didn't do that before, during, and after the FS. 

It seemed like Zack was a little bummed by Jackie's decision. I think she liked Brooks more so not sure why she didn't keep him. I don't think it would have changed anything because it was too late. 

Marcus & Lacy are such a cute couple. I liked the proposal but still think it's too soon. I'm glad they're not rushing into a wedding at least.

It actually worked having the 3 couples come in. I didn't love Molly's haircolor. It was a little too blonde. Cat's dress wasn't flattering at all and she usually looks great. I thought Des looked the best of the 3. 

Overall I enjoyed the season way more than I thought I would. I'd definitely watch it again.

Agree with the bolded. Sarah' s love language is touch. She needs a Josh. A guy who can't keep his hands off her. May be she will be back on Season 2.

I agree with you about Sarah. I don't think she's a mean girl.

albean99 wrote:

happygirl77us wrote:I wonder why they made sure to point out Graham closed his twitter account

That was just a joke, happygirl. AshLee told Graham something about knowing he was a great guy from his Instagram. He still has it btw. I was so happy that he told her it wasn't happening early in the episode. I'm sure he couldn't take the drama. I wonder if that's why it didn't work out with Michelle? She's definitely full of the drama. The jury's out on her & Cody. They're the oddest couple yet from this show. 

I actually am on Sarah's side.  First of all I believe her about the jeans. Robert's probably just embarrased. I don't think it was just about sex but about the fact that he didn't seem into her and them being in a FS highlighted it for her. I think Sarah needs a guy who will show her affection and that he's attracted to her. Robert definitely didn't do that before, during, and after the FS. 

It seemed like Zack was a little bummed by Jackie's decision. I think she liked Brooks more so not sure why she didn't keep him. I don't think it would have changed anything because it was too late. 

Marcus & Lacy are such a cute couple. I liked the proposal but still think it's too soon. I'm glad they're not rushing into a wedding at least.

It actually worked having the 3 couples come in. I didn't love Molly's haircolor. It was a little too blonde. Cat's dress wasn't flattering at all and she usually looks great. I thought Des looked the best of the 3. 

Overall I enjoyed the season way more than I thought I would. I'd definitely watch it again.

Obviously we don't know these people, but I do agree with some of your observations based on what we did see on an edited show.

Just some added "stuff"...

Marcus and Lacy were so boring for me to watch, but we can't deny that they are the one success out of this show. Time will tell.

Like you, I am perplexed by Cody and Michelle... and I have this peculiar feeling in the back of my mind that they won't last. I kinda WANT them to, strangely enough. I like the oddball couples. Also they may be a little more alike than we realize... and are fitting each other's needs at this moment. My vibe is that they are not as "needy" (as Sarah claimed to be) regarding all of the physical "stuff". They probably have their individual "projects" to keep them occupied. (Lately, Cody is getting Chris Soules "in shape" for his starring role.) They make great room-mates at least and Cody will be the best Daddy, full of enthusiasm. As Michelle stated, Cody is currently her "boyfriend", not fiancé like Marcus/Lacy. That was an honest statement.

Sarah and Robert... Well, he has nothing negative to say about her post-show (AfterBuzz show, etc.) except for his tweet insisting he does not wear trousers to bed. Obviously he wanted a more "Platonic" relationship (to start with) than she wanted. His relationship with Zack is definitely the more successful one. You can "read into" that any way you want. I would rather not analyze. Those two, with Graham and Chris Bukowski are quite the Bachelor "Rat Pack". No woman can pin them down. (I mean that in a joking way though.)

Jackie and Brooks.... oooof! Their date last week looked too awkward to me. HE was amusing to watch though. I struggle seeing Brooks with any of THIS crop of ladies. Maybe some other contestants.

Alas... she didn't seem all that "into" any of the guys this season, but probably "appreciated" Zack having interest in her. At her first rose ceremony, she made a point in a PI session that she could see the "dynamics" between him and Clare and noted how invested she was with him. That statement was clearly left as a comment directed TO him. It was as if she was announcing early on that she wasn't feeling "IT" like Clare was with him. After all, he did insinuate that she was the one he was most curious about coming onto the show.

Basically, from a body language perspective, he and Clare were fine until he started second guessing after his "talk" with AshLee (who kept bringing up "oceangate" with Juan)... and Christy (after being refused the date card) suggested their relationship was "too fast too soon". Zack is kind of the gullible type who wants outside "opinions" a bit too often. Also it was obvious that Clare is too intense and demanding of a SERIOUS relationship, while his approach is casual.

The fight between Clare and AshLee apparently disturbed him more than Graham. If you carefully rewatch the scenes, you can detect his gradual backing away from Clare once she made a big hoopty-doo about his not defending her against AshLee. To him, Ash was simply talking smack and he wasn't taking her seriously. Yet Clare made too much of an issue based on principle. He was friends of both, knowing AshLee a bit longer than Clare pre-show. Even more so than Graham, he couldn't handle the drama... but they edited quite a bit out.

In the Toronto interview (somewhere on these threads), Zack briefly hinted that he and Clare are friends, but "things didn't work out". Their behavior post-show is nonetheless interesting. It appears as if he still wants her, but is very, very cautious. She, of course, says repeatedly on screen that she wants her man to come after her. She is done chasing men. Julychild (you can chime in to correct me here) told me earlier on one of these threads that she is now following her ex-boyfriend online and he was part of the baseball event she attended. Don't think he is "chasing" her any more than Zack though.

Graham and AshLee: weird, weird, weird. Their body language was all over the map, making me think Graham was just as conscious of the cameras as she was. Positively, he did say he came on the show to meet her. Like Zack, Graham is more comfortable hanging out with other guys and keeping his female relationships casual, with few restrictions. Once they start pinning him down, he flees. Deanna was one demanding type. AshLee another. Michelle was always TOO casual, which is why they are simply friends and no more.

However, his post-show relationship with Sarah is most fascinating. Yes, they are simply friends, but they apparently have a lot more in common (besides a shared birthday). In a curious way, something-something may start with those two.

albean99 wrote:I actually am on Sarah's side.  First of all I believe her about the jeans. Robert's probably just embarrased. I don't think it was just about sex but about the fact that he didn't seem into her and them being in a FS highlighted it for her. I think Sarah needs a guy who will show her affection and that he's attracted to her. Robert definitely didn't do that before, during, and after the FS.

And I am as well, or at least I understand her side. But I'd go a step farther in what I believe Sarah "wants" and I think that the sex was a big part of it. I think she's had a relatively long string of "relationships" where guys see her as a little sister and good friend but not a lover. IMHO she has normal desires and sexuality (as she should) but hasn't met someone who sees her in that light, and Robert didn't.

I don't know if that's just how Robert "is" or not but my gut tells me that if that had been Lacy in the FS undoing his belt, something more would have happened that what happened with Sarah. Sarah just didn't "do it" for him and it's a good thing she found that out sooner rather than later.

^^^ JBF.

Again, I'm nodding my head reading your analyses here. Thanks for the laughs.

Ain't I awful? This show has given me a quirky "perspective" on these Reality TV actors and actresses.