Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - Thread #7

[GuardianAngel]

^^Happy, MVMom - I would say that I had a different experience in watching the show.  I am a really big Nick fan and chose him (not really for Andi) to root for because of qualities of genuineness I saw about his character during the show, regardless of his seemingly villainous edit.  What I saw was a man trying to woo a woman, and that was very sweet - naïve for the show, but sweet.  I have been skeptical towards Nick being F1 hence I didn't really pledge or stand in a corner until the HTDs because I wanted to really see the behavior of the lead towards her chosen one(s).  Yes I did see that Andi was chasing Josh but she cajoled Nick (to the point I found patronizing at times).  Unfortunately, whereas Andi acted the same towards several of the men, she never did that with Josh.  During some of the disagreements with Josh, she has shown vulnerability and hurt.  Either she didn't experience that with Nick or wasn't that into Nick to have her feelings hurt by him.  How can I explain this, her alpha came out in interactions with all the men except when with Josh.

So I knew (very sure) I was going to end up broken-hearted should I side with Nick.  That's not to say I didn' t see or believe that others in my camp felt like both of you did because I was - in a way - hoping too.  Logic, notwithstanding, I still decided to stand in Nick's corner because it was also during this time that I knew that either Andi was acting with Nick or she did have some feelings for him that she didn't admit in the end. I must admit that I was waiting for Andi's redemption - because I really liked her and identified with her, but I was sadly disappointed.  Either way, she wasn't genuine, IMO, so I'm glad I stuck it out with Nick - the one that got away (really, I know I'm going to be bashed by this statement but that's how I feel).  Hoping the best for him.

Great post, I felt the same as many of the points you outlined here. A lot of good discussion going on here that I'm enjoying reading.

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[sbolduc]

All of my unspoiled friends, at least 5 ppl, were neither Nick not Josh fans, they were all Chris or Brian fans. They do not watch the show the same way as us folk do but have watched for many seasons as far back as Jason's season.

They all thought Andi was for sure picking Nick and were shocked when she didn't. Although as soon as CH said the final 2 was not over it they all texted me "I can't believe she picks Josh" even after she did pick Josh they thought she was going to pull a Mesnick.

I guess my point is there were a lot of ppl who have watched the show for many years who weren't wearing rose coloured glasses who thought either Nick or Josh were the final one.

[Cecilia]

All of my unspoiled friends, at least 5 ppl, were neither Nick not Josh fans, they were all Chris or Brian fans. They do not watch the show the same way as us folk do but have watched for many seasons as far back as Jason's season.

They all thought Andi was for sure picking Nick and were shocked when she didn't. Although as soon as CH said the final 2 was not over it they all texted me "I can't believe she picks Josh" even after she did pick Josh they thought she was going to pull a Mesnick.

I guess my point is there were a lot of ppl who have watched the show for many years who weren't wearing rose coloured glasses who thought either Nick or Josh were the final one.

Like all of my friends!

[ironcat]

All of my unspoiled friends, at least 5 ppl, were neither Nick not Josh fans, they were all Chris or Brian fans. They do not watch the show the same way as us folk do but have watched for many seasons as far back as Jason's season.

They all thought Andi was for sure picking Nick and were shocked when she didn't. Although as soon as CH said the final 2 was not over it they all texted me "I can't believe she picks Josh" even after she did pick Josh they thought she was going to pull a Mesnick.

I guess my point is there were a lot of ppl who have watched the show for many years who weren't wearing rose coloured glasses who thought either Nick or Josh were the final one.

With all due respect, how much do you think your friends know about the kinds of manipulations and editing tricks the producers use to mislead viewers?  I'm not surprised that there was a reasonable split of opinion among the average (however loyal) unspoiled viewers; that is what the producers are going for when they put the edit together.  But I'm assuming that everyone who posted here, even those who chose to remain unspoiled this season, are the obsessed (and I say that with affection, as you are my people   ) viewers who know more, and would watch the show with a different mindset, based on that knowledge, from the start.

[luvlady345]

Yeah, agree ironcat the people in my office disliked Nick with a passion and they loved Marcus and get this Dylan I was like where did the Dylan love come from? LOL

[stuckinsc]

Most of the SM clues did not mean anything to the average viewer.  I remember when Des posted her safe house picture of Chris.  No one thought anything of it but "us!"  We sleuth and analyze every single detail.  Most viewers do not.  Andi and Josh gave away nothing but did risk someone finding out in Atlanta.  They snuck around and saw each other everyday.  At least they were disguised.  

RS is another story but not going there.  

They gave away a lot and RS picked up on some of it like the Snapchat. Still can't believe Andi used her own name.  That's an amateur move. Josh' mom also was so obvious especially her finale party. I just thought it was very unnecessary.  Nick made a giant boo boo but paid for it. The rest didn't pay but should have. I think it goes back to Jef & family. They didn't think the rules were for them and Andi et al were just as bad or worse.

This may be a big reason why the AFTR was more about Nick and less about the happy couple. I think TPTB was punishing Andi for her slips. They punished Nick by making him believe for two months that maybe Andi was changing her mind.

TPTB are the devil, not your friend. They will punish you for getting out of line however they can.

[Guest]

All of my unspoiled friends, at least 5 ppl, were neither Nick not Josh fans, they were all Chris or Brian fans. They do not watch the show the same way as us folk do but have watched for many seasons as far back as Jason's season.

They all thought Andi was for sure picking Nick and were shocked when she didn't. Although as soon as CH said the final 2 was not over it they all texted me "I can't believe she picks Josh" even after she did pick Josh they thought she was going to pull a Mesnick.

I guess my point is there were a lot of ppl who have watched the show for many years who weren't wearing rose coloured glasses who thought either Nick or Josh were the final one.

Like all of my friends!

If you looked at different polls the week before the finale, Josh had about 80% of the votes in every single poll and Nick landed at about 20%. I think that speak volumes. JMHO
(When Chris was still in the run, Nick had even less votes)

[Cecilia]

Most of the SM clues did not mean anything to the average viewer.  I remember when Des posted her safe house picture of Chris.  No one thought anything of it but "us!"  We sleuth and analyze every single detail.  Most viewers do not.  Andi and Josh gave away nothing but did risk someone finding out in Atlanta.  They snuck around and saw each other everyday.  At least they were disguised.  

RS is another story but not going there.  

They gave away a lot and RS picked up on some of it like the Snapchat. Still can't believe Andi used her own name.  That's an amateur move. Josh' mom also was so obvious especially her finale party. I just thought it was very unnecessary.  Nick made a giant boo boo but paid for it. The rest didn't pay but should have. I think it goes back to Jef & family. They didn't think the rules were for them and Andi et al were just as bad or worse.

This may be a big reason why the AFTR was more about Nick and less about the happy couple.  I think TPTB was punishing Andi for her slips.  They punished Nick by making him believe for two months that maybe Andi was changing her mind.

TPTB are the devil, not your friend.  They will punish you for getting out of line however they can.

I'm not sure they were punishing anyone. They just try to achieve the most drama. And it worked.

[ironcat]

They gave away a lot and RS picked up on some of it like the Snapchat. Still can't believe Andi used her own name.  That's an amateur move. Josh' mom also was so obvious especially her finale party. I just thought it was very unnecessary.  Nick made a giant boo boo but paid for it. The rest didn't pay but should have. I think it goes back to Jef & family. They didn't think the rules were for them and Andi et al were just as bad or worse.

This may be a big reason why the AFTR was more about Nick and less about the happy couple.  I think TPTB was punishing Andi for her slips.  They punished Nick by making him believe for two months that maybe Andi was changing her mind.

TPTB are the devil, not your friend.  They will punish you for getting out of line however they can.

I'm not sure they were punishing anyone.  They just try to achieve the most drama.  And it worked.

I agree. I'm not someone who believes that the producers forced Nick against his will to contact Andi by holding the breached contract over his head, but I do think they "encouraged" him to believe that he still had a chance with her, and maybe even subtly offered to facilitate a meeting if she was willing, knowing full well it would never be a private one. And once they knew that he was still not over her by the time of the ATFR, I think they had every intention of devoting a large portion of the show to the "love triangle", in their minds the more interesting/dramatic story, happy couple be damned.

[quietpal]

I don't care who the majority of people thought she would pick or what the polls say, you're never going to have 100% of the people picking one guy. It doesn't matter how much is thrown in our faces with clues and such. Different people have different perspectives. That's what makes this whole thing fun, imo.

[Cecilia]

All of my unspoiled friends, at least 5 ppl, were neither Nick not Josh fans, they were all Chris or Brian fans. They do not watch the show the same way as us folk do but have watched for many seasons as far back as Jason's season.

They all thought Andi was for sure picking Nick and were shocked when she didn't. Although as soon as CH said the final 2 was not over it they all texted me "I can't believe she picks Josh" even after she did pick Josh they thought she was going to pull a Mesnick.

I guess my point is there were a lot of ppl who have watched the show for many years who weren't wearing rose coloured glasses who thought either Nick or Josh were the final one.

Like all of my friends!

If you looked at different polls the week before the finale, Josh had about 80% of the votes in every single poll and Nick landed at about 20%. I think that speak volumes. JMHO
(When Chris was still in the run, Nick had even less votes)

Only a few thousand people vote in those polls. And millions watch the show. I definitely think more people liked Josh than Nick, but I totally think it depends on those peoples own taste, and there were plenty of people who actually liked Nick. So I guess, my friends and I don't pick the mainstream guy. I will say that I did have one friend that by finale had switched to Josh because she just thought they were better together, more alike.

[stuckinsc]

All of my unspoiled friends, at least 5 ppl, were neither Nick not Josh fans, they were all Chris or Brian fans. They do not watch the show the same way as us folk do but have watched for many seasons as far back as Jason's season.

They all thought Andi was for sure picking Nick and were shocked when she didn't. Although as soon as CH said the final 2 was not over it they all texted me "I can't believe she picks Josh" even after she did pick Josh they thought she was going to pull a Mesnick.

I guess my point is there were a lot of ppl who have watched the show for many years who weren't wearing rose coloured glasses who thought either Nick or Josh were the final one.

Like all of my friends!

If you looked at different polls the week before the finale, Josh had about 80% of the votes in every single poll and Nick landed at about 20%. I think that speak volumes. JMHO
(When Chris was still in the run, Nick had even less votes)

How many of the people voting in the polls were people who were spoiled on forums like this one. I guess the point is, some saw it, right away as Josh, and yes, I saw she was chasing Josh, I get it. But she certainly enjoyed Nick and all his attention.

Round and round we go. No one will change their opinions.  

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