Re: Andi Dorfman and Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - Media - Twitter - General Discussion Thread

[Relalou]

I think Andi and Josh are a little fed up with the Nick questions. Nick is probably fed up with hearing about them and quite honestly, so am I. They all seem to have moved on until someone bugs them with another question. Let's move on too.

[sbolduc]

I agree Andi and Josh are probably fed up with the Nick questions, but the more they give responses like that the more interviewers are going to continue asking because they are getting a reaction. I agree they probably won't go away completely but I don't think they are helping their situation.

I just wish they would have a standard response "We are really happy and that is in the past so we would like to just move on and not dwell on it".

Because until Nick or says/does anything differently all these comments are doing is impacting people's opinions on Andi/Josh not Nick. And the more they make these type of comments the more I am feeling they are not over what he said.

I just want to be happy for Andi/Josh and Nick so I wish they would all stop talking about, they will continue to be questioned but I believe there is a much better way to respond. All IMO.

[stuckinsc]

I am going to try to follow tulips lead and continue this discussion in the J&A thread, since they are the ones continuing to discuss this, not Nick.


I can agree that both Nick and Andi were pushed by TPTB.  But, and this is a big but, Andi had the power and has easily agreed to the pushing on more than one occasion.

I really think that Josh if he wants to understand the situation should have watched the whole season and just not his own parts.  If he only watched his own parts, he would not have even seen the Anchorman take off joke with Nick and Brian.  That whole "nasty" speech from Nick to Brian.  It is from Anchorman.  Nick quotes movies a lot.  Does that make it okay?  Probably not, but those weren't original words or thoughts, it was him joking badly.

Andi did lead Nick on, yes, in someways she had to. But she worked really hard to convince a guy who was reluctant to love her and to give it all a chance.  Does that mean she should have picked him?  Nope, I for one am glad she didn't.  I don't like her and wouldn't want Nick to be stuck with her.

I didn't want Josh to be stuck with her either, but he is happy.

Nick has apologized, for things he said two days after getting dumped by Andi after he was led on.  He was hurt and upset and said some stupid things, but truthfully, they just weren't all that evil.  Josh was a professional athlete, trust me, much worse has been said about him.

Nick did the mandated media circus after the show.  He was required to, just like Josh and Andi.  After that he did one guest blog, invited by Sean, who is the most successful bachelor this show ever had.  Since then, August 9th was it, he has not spoken about the end of the show, he has not sought out interviews.  He has gone back to his life and family.  He tweets about BiP.  That doesn't revolve around J&A.

So yes, J&A are continuing this story, but not just saying they are happy in their interviews and not speaking of Nick.  Josh is, you are all correct, except his little dig about no one in the house liking Nick.  Which wasn't true.  JJ and Marquel both liked Nick during the show.  So not everyone hated Nick.  BUT, his fiance can't stop sitting beside him making her little digs.  I am sorry, but that annoys me.

Like I have said, I was hoping Josh would rub off on Andi and that she would get a little more mature in her responses. No, instead we have rhymes with a body part and glee that Josh would have beat Nick's head in at the AFTR.  Way to let it go Andi.

For someone who is deeply in love with Josh and ready to marry him, she is still gleefully bashing Nick.  If you are happy to be with your fiance and ready to get married, isn't it time to let go of the anger at your ex.  Especially as he has been silent and isn't bugging you anymore?  That is what he was so guilty of correct?  Not letting go post show.  He has and isnt' mentioning her.  But she digs on him every chance she gets.

I will compare her to past leads.  I don't remember anyone continually making rude comments about their F2.  She was the lead, she had the power, to continue to have to put down Nick shows her true colors.

If these two are happy together and have moved on and are really ready to be married, to me, the vitriol at her ex should be over and they should be discussing their happiness and not dwelling on the negative.  Yes, it is mostly Andi, who makes each of these statements with Josh right at her side, showing his support of her behavior.

[jlccaz]

At this point, the "Anchorman" conversation or whatever made it on to airtime is very old news.

If one had experienced 8-10 weeks of filming, a fraction of which made it to air, those little moments would be so irrelevant, as compared to 8-10 weeks of filming and 3 months of basically co-habiting.

Every single successful couple states that the relationship begins when the cameras leave, as odd as that is for viewers to accept. When Josh/Andi express a preference to move on, it's very real for everyone. There literally is nothing in the past that needs hashing out any more, other than a Common Media Strategy.

I always come back to the tabloid story that spilled the beans on the season finale. (US and/or Life&Style, details now fuzzy to me). That's where the "Andi slept with" the F2 guy, and the F1 guy doesn't know, crap started. Only Nick, at some level, could have been a source for this leak (directly or indirectly) from what happened between them in the FS, so the breach of her trust/confidence, lack of class, in their minds had been going on for weeks, before he took it to the next level of speaking out on live network broadcast, that is viewed by millions at the time, and then reverberates for weeks and weeks in blogs, forums, social media, broadcast, print, etc.

Not trying to rehash that moment, just saying, that Nick's decision not to go gently into that dark night had been building for weeks, starting with his (sorry, I keep coming back to this, as a contractual matter, shocking) choice to speak audibly in a public setting about what happened on a closed set.

[sdmom]

So, I'm going to give my opinion here about 7 seconds of Andi and Josh's radio interview, taped last Friday.  You can listen to it here:  http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=151&c=1341&f=3211763  It's about the 6:55 mark.

It's a point of discussion in Nick's general thread.  While it was 7 seconds of an 8 minute interview that has a lot of positive information in it about Josh's experience on the show and their future plans together, it has brought a lot of criticism on Nick's thread about Andi and Josh and even questions about whether what Josh says is Christian.

I think the interviewer was wrong to use the word douche to describe contestants on the show.  I think Josh not objecting to the term douche was wrong.  I think Andi was wrong to utter the phrase "Does it rhyme with a body part?"

I sincerely wish the media would stop asking baiting questions like this.  Interviewers, especially radio interviewers, are caustic.  Their ratings go up when they say controversial things, so I don't expect it to stop anytime soon.  I also sincerely hope that Andi and Josh will have a different reply next time.  Something along the lines of, "You know.  We just aren't going to talk about that anymore or use those word to describe others.  We have too much to look forward to in our lives together." 

Yep, that's what I hope.

I have no problem with Josh's answer, because he was being asked and had to give an answer. I do have a problem with Andi's comment. Was she being asked directly? (sorry, I have no interest in listening the whole thing) or she just felt the need to add on the insult? I just don't think it's smart /savvy thing to say, IMO.
BTW, the last time Nick posted something about the bachelorette is 8/7. In the Nick thread, we were speculating he even turned down a paid appearance hosted by Michael Staglino. All SM clues indicated he's moving on nicely.

[alwaystulips]

The host asked Josh.  I already said my opinion of the question and their responses.

Andi and Josh are moving on nicely, too.  It was a very positive interview about the show and their plans for the future.  As the engaged couple on the Bachelorette, I am sure there will be many media requests in advance of their wedding.  I'm very excited to hear about it.  

[stuckinsc]

jlccaz, I respect your opinion, but truthfully, how can we assume Nick was the source of the leak to L&S or whoever. To me it stinks of TPTB and their desire to have this come out at the AFTR.

I get the Nick hate, I don't have it, but I understand, but to assume something and make it fact without proof? That is a huge leap.

I also want to address the Nick embarrassed Mrs. Murray in front of her friends at her viewing party for charity. Nick doesn't know Momma Murray, he never met her and has no responsibility to her what so ever.

She chose to have a public viewing party which while for charity was still viewed by some as a bit of showing off.

Josh and Andi knew she had slept with Nick and he wasn't over it. They could and should have warned her that it might get embarrassing, that isn't or wasn't Nick's area to take care of.

As for Andi, she knew her future mother-in-law was hosting a viewing party, so did she come out and try to be gentle and calm the situation? Knowing that whatever happened her MIL would see? Nope she came out very rigid and telling Nick that she never loved him and never said she did. Doesn't sound like the smart way to avoid having your MIL embarrassed in front of her friends.

Nick doesn't owe Mrs. Murray anything and if she was embarrassed at her party, she should blame her DIL and no one else.

[Sprite]

At this point, the "Anchorman" conversation or whatever made it on to airtime is very old news.

If one had experienced 8-10 weeks of filming, a fraction of which made it to air, those little moments would be so irrelevant, as compared to 8-10 weeks of filming and 3 months of basically co-habiting.

Every single successful couple states that the relationship begins when the cameras leave, as odd as that is  for viewers to accept.  When Josh/Andi express a preference to move on, it's very real for everyone.  There literally is nothing in the past that needs hashing out any more, other than a Common Media Strategy.

I always come back to the tabloid story that spilled the beans on the season finale.  (US and/or Life&Style, details now fuzzy to me).  That's where the "Andi slept with" the F2 guy, and the F1 guy doesn't know, crap started.  Only Nick, at some level, could have been a source for this leak (directly or indirectly) from what happened between them in the FS, so the breach of her trust/confidence, lack of class, in their minds had been going on for weeks, before he took it to the next level of speaking out on live network broadcast, that is viewed by millions at the time, and then reverberates for weeks and weeks in blogs, forums, social media, broadcast, print, etc.

Not trying to rehash that moment, just saying, that Nick's decision not to go gently into that dark night had been building for weeks, starting with his (sorry, I keep coming back to this, as a contractual matter, shocking) choice to speak audibly in a public setting about what happened on a closed set.

Regarding the bolded...just as likely, if not more so...is that producers planted that little seed. They like to promote their show and controversy sells. From all I have been reading of late, there are microphones still in the FS even if there are no cameras, so they know exactly what is going on and who would be more likely to have these media connections.

[isittrue]

At this point, the "Anchorman" conversation or whatever made it on to airtime is very old news.

If one had experienced 8-10 weeks of filming, a fraction of which made it to air, those little moments would be so irrelevant, as compared to 8-10 weeks of filming and 3 months of basically co-habiting.

Every single successful couple states that the relationship begins when the cameras leave, as odd as that is  for viewers to accept.  When Josh/Andi express a preference to move on, it's very real for everyone.  There literally is nothing in the past that needs hashing out any more, other than a Common Media Strategy.

I always come back to the tabloid story that spilled the beans on the season finale.  (US and/or Life&Style, details now fuzzy to me).  That's where the "Andi slept with" the F2 guy, and the F1 guy doesn't know, crap started.  Only Nick, at some level, could have been a source for this leak (directly or indirectly) from what happened between them in the FS, so the breach of her trust/confidence, lack of class, in their minds had been going on for weeks, before he took it to the next level of speaking out on live network broadcast, that is viewed by millions at the time, and then reverberates for weeks and weeks in blogs, forums, social media, broadcast, print, etc.

Not trying to rehash that moment, just saying, that Nick's decision not to go gently into that dark night had been building for weeks, starting with his (sorry, I keep coming back to this, as a contractual matter, shocking) choice to speak audibly in a public setting about what happened on a closed set.

Regarding the bolded...just as likely, if not more so...is that producers planted that little seed. They like to promote their show and controversy sells. From all I have been reading of late, there are microphones still in the FS even if there are no cameras, so they know exactly what is going on and who would be more likely to have these media connections.

ITA.  The fact that details of the FRC to tabloids such as US and L&S are leaked by TPTB ahead of time, along with other stories so we were able to decipher the F1, was discussed on the Nick discussion thread.

[ironcat]

It's not at all surprising that Andi's treatment of Nick post show is nothing like any of the previous Bachelorette's treatment/attitude toward their F2.  The post filming behavior of other past F2s hasn't been anything like Nick's, as far as we know.  Whether Andi is overreacting, holding a grudge, being mean, or whatever, there is a clear reason why she hasn't been as gracious to her F2 as past leads have, all of whom didn't go through a similar period of almost 3 months of building animosity and resentment.  So IMO, assuming that other leads would have behaved better had they been in Andi's shoes, is not a fair comparison.  We really don't know, because this season is unique in that respect.

Based on what has already transpired, it would serve no purpose for Nick to be anything other than gracious and self effacing when being questioned about his past actions, and Nick is certainly smart enough to realize that blatantly criticizing Andi now (even in a humorous attempt) would make him look like a complete jerk.  And because the story line that the show (and therefore, the media) is still pushing is that Nick is the one who drew first blood, not Andi, he was not even going to be asked/encouraged in interviews (well, any show approved ones) to take digs, or make off color jokes or remarks about Andi or Josh, because even the hosts wouldn't go there.  OTOH, some of the media, particularly the "hometown ones", are still egging Andi and Josh on, in the spirit of "solidarity", I guess.  It's up to them to not take the bait, but since they seem to have taken the position that Nick is not a good person and still believe he has wronged THEM, they don't seem to feel it necessary to "throw cold water" on the interviewers' glee in continuing to use Nick for some comic fodder.

Since I don't actually know any of these three people, I can only wonder if the situation had been reversed, and Andi had fallen in love with Nick and Josh had behaved as Nick had, would Nick, the winner, be acting so gracious and humble toward the other guy, or would he be going along with stuff just like Josh is?

[stuckinsc]

IC, you bring up a valid point, do we know if Nick would act differently than Josh in the same situation and we have no idea.

Andi seems to really enjoy continuing to take digs at Nick. He has been silent for 13 days and not mentioned. She is the one keeping the story alive.

Yes, they media keeps asking about Nick, because she keeps reacting. If she said, I am so happy and in love with Josh and showed no animosity to Nick, the interviewers would quit asking. There would be no story in it.

Andi once again is showing that when things don't go her way, she is mean and petulant. I am fine with that. It cements to me that my impressions of her weren't wrong. Josh has successfully challenged her with the lie detector, so I hope that he can continue to learn and grow.

[Relalou]

IC, you bring up a valid point, do we know if Nick would act differently than Josh in the same situation and we have no idea.

Andi seems to really enjoy continuing to take digs at Nick.  He has been silent for 13 days and not mentioned.  She is the one keeping the story alive.  

Yes, they media keeps asking about Nick, because she keeps reacting.  If she said, I am so happy and in love with Josh and showed no animosity to Nick, the interviewers would quit asking.  There would be no story in it.

Andi once again is showing that when things don't go her way, she is mean and petulant.  I am fine with that.  It cements to me that my impressions of her weren't wrong.  Josh has successfully challenged her with the lie detector, so I hope that he can continue to learn and grow.

Very much in your opinion. I don't see the petulance or meanness you read in Andi's behavior. IMO she is handling things well, albeit with a wicked sense of humor.

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