Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #5

[california90]

Nick is so awkward . It's kind of endearing.

[Cecilia]

Nick is so awkward . It's kind of endearing.

I love it. He's at the Sheffield Garden Walk.

[sdmom]

It's that hand in the pocket look again
Hey he's wearing another checkered shirt again! I love it

[SueSt]

  never lose hope   it's just hard for me to read online staff elsewhere ... don't want to get out of this "cell" till 28th ... then my curiosity gets the best of me, because I don't want to be ignorant of all the findings, so I go out and read something that makes me crawl back here  :P I'm watching the YT videos ... wish they would show us Nick's intro, I have this slight feeling, they must had made it, but never showed ... I admit, I'm curious to see his life in Chicago ... hell, I want to see Chicago!  

Chicago is a great city.
Remember Mura warned us that it's going to get hot out here in the final week.
They are throwing EVERYTHING at us to convince us Josh is F1... (what does that mean????)
If that's not enough to soothe your soul - go back and watch their interaction... it's true, it's real, it's LOVE.

I don't know much about the spoilers, maybe that is why I'm so confident it is Nick and Andi.  I'm going by what I've watched.  I say believe the love story!  I saw the love story with JP and Ash too, but everyone seemed to think it was Ben.  JP also got the romantic helicopter/private island date with the money shots frolicking in the water.  Why would they waste that sexy hot date on F2?    

It was very telling that when Nick read his storybook to her (which was so romantic) the producers harkened back to their real love story, splicing in the video of him getting out of the limo to first see her.  

She gives Nick the first impression rose, the first second date, all the very romantic epic dates go to him, the first hometown rose went to Nick, the "sneak-over" was Nick, the helicopter/private island date which was also the very first fantasy suite date, the very last rose given before the FRC went first to Nick.  She smiled at him so big then and he just about couldn't breathe as he had to look away with a sexy smirk.  LOVE!  She chooses Nick.  By comparison, Josh gets to play baseball with the locals, it is sweet but not the same romance.  Yes, they make out quite well, but there is no real love story being shown.  Josh is being pushed as F1 and simultaneously called as comfortable as an old shoe, and her safe choice, and I'd be upset if I were Josh and ended up as the old shoe who gets the girl.  So, I don't think they would do that to the F1, he would deserve better.  I would not ever be anyone's "safe choice" - how insulting.  Josh will be the Bachelor if he accepts - and he'll rock it!  He is a great man and I'll be watching.

Visually, there have been shots of Nick and Andi passing a wedding, going under the "eternal love" bridge, flying over a beautiful heart shaped coral reef, all the while the most epic love story music is playing in the background.  

Now add in all that she has said about Nick - once in a life time thing, he sees all sides of her, mature love, passion she's never felt before, in fact she doesn't even have words to describe it because she has never felt this before.  They are showing us a tender and enduring love story - believe it!

I believe Karmagirl.   Sooooo many good points.

  

Why would TPTB flesh out Nick's story to such a detailed degree if he was F2... They’ve laid out Nick's challenge too - to overcome the fears and skepticism brought on by past heartaches and to move into the future with Andi. Why would TPTB spend so much energy getting me to invest in Nick if they were just going to drop me flat!!!??. I mean sometimes I feel like I'm watching Nick's search for love instead of Andi's...   

By comparison, Josh's story, to me at least, is much less granular, less detailed. He’s all in, has no hesitations is 100% confident about his pending engagement. So where is the hook? What is his obstacle… ??because every great love story has one, right???

[Guest]

One thing I notice when observing RC, how Nick always stays on his spot until the toast for the next week ... he would say goodbye to the guys who needed to leave and then he would wait where he used to stand during the RC ... he isn't going for the whole "group hug". I found it "funny", because he really distinguished himself ... and BTW, he was always observing Andi, how she makes the calls, meaning the order of the guys ... he put the meaning to every one of her act/step. That's why I really like re-watching RC after the HTD, because she called Nick the last and I took it as her pillar, she had a hard time that week because of sad situation, but also she knew she would need to let go one guy who fell for her (and was first to tell her to be in-love)... so calling Nick last (like there was ever a question between him and Marcus) ... it was really a choice for making her decision easier, but also to brace up and have a backup in him (with the last hug).

Thanks for writing this! It is fun to read, and a great observation. I too think that Nick stands out, and apart from the other guys, in many ways.

I also see how Nick wants to be the first to hug her on group dates. Watch him practically leap in to her arms before the surprise first date in Venice. I loved when he grabbed her first at a RC and took her in to a different room and kissed her, even though he had a rose. She loved this! What woman wouldn't? I've seen him hand her a drink as she walks in. He is so attentive to her. I love that he is there for her. Plus, the flowers he delivered was so sweet, and his attempts to make it more than just a show they were on was very appreciated by her. You've probably heard the Maya Angelou quote, "“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” Nick makes Andi feel cherished and appreciated and loved.

They are also cute and funny together, only a few real laugh lines this season and it is when the two of them are bantering back and forth.

[SueSt]

One thing I notice when observing RC, how Nick always stays on his spot until the toast for the next week ... he would say goodbye to the guys who needed to leave and then he would wait where he used to stand during the RC ... he isn't going for the whole "group hug". I found it "funny", because he really distinguished himself ... and BTW, he was always observing Andi, how she makes the calls, meaning the order of the guys ... he put the meaning to every one of her act/step. That's why I really like re-watching RC after the HTD, because she called Nick the last and I took it as her pillar, she had a hard time that week because of sad situation, but also she knew she would need to let go one guy who fell for her (and was first to tell her to be in-love)... so calling Nick last (like there was ever a question between him and Marcus) ... it was really a choice for making her decision easier, but also to brace up and have a backup in him (with the last hug).

Thanks for writing this!  It is fun to read, and a great observation.  I too think that Nick stands out, and apart from the other guys, in many ways.

I also see how Nick wants to be the first to hug her on group dates.  Watch him practically leap in to her arms before the surprise first date in Venice.  I loved when he grabbed her first at a RC and took her in to a different room and kissed her, even though he had a rose.  She loved this!  What woman wouldn't?  I've seen him hand her a drink as she walks in.  He is so attentive to her.  I love that he is there for her.  Plus, the flowers he delivered was so sweet, and his attempts to make it more than just a show they were on was very appreciated by her.  You've probably heard the Maya Angelou quote, "“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”  Nick makes Andi feel cherished and appreciated and loved.

They are also cute and funny together, only a few real laugh lines this season and it is when the two of them are bantering back and forth.  

Apropos (to quote our boy) and beautiful, karmagirl. Thanks!

[Guest]

if anyone cant draw a solid conclusion based on this Time + Kiss+ Rose fact..well, just..wow!...a classic example of : to hide the Elephant in the room aka to hide the obvious in the plain sight. It was so blatant yet very few can clearly see it. Thanks to the mega foiler scheme! (or..thats why the mega foiler needed at the very first place, huh?...   :P )

Totally agree with this point Mura.
The LS is so obvious TPTB needed a foiler to take us off the scent....
but little did they know (actually, I think they DO know!!!) WHO they are up against!!!

   

Maybe one day you'll get to meet MF and/or EG... Would love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.    

ha..too funny!! i take that as a compliment, Sue!
i would love to meet Bennett (the storyboard writer) someday and kindly suggest him plus discuss some thematic LS storylines for the upcoming seasons to be all my daughter's fave   : Frozen, Little Mermaid....or ...Princess and the Frog  

[happygolucky]

Oh, I'm not talking about the spoilers either ... it's the negative opinions that I read about Nick that get me hard ... I just wish people would give him a chance and not look every move he does from the critical point of view (I hope I'm not pushing the boundaries of forum rules again by saying this). I'm not saying that Nick is perfect - far from that, I could state numerous of "negative" traits of his character and list the situations where he could have handled the situation better, but it bugs me ... now even more, after re-watching the Marseille episode, how people (guys, some viewers) describe him with adjectives that I wouldn't give the same meaning to. (yes, I'm one of those very peculiar vocabulary advocate) I go by the rule of argumentation and fact proving, before jumping to conclusions and calling someone names, for something he hasn't done. Because I don't mind the truth, even when it's harsh and negative, hard to hear, but till it's the truth, I can't argue and deny it ... it's the inventions and gossip that bug me big time. Because it's hard to "win" those battles ... it's just better let them go...
See, I didn't want to get all negative and serious with this speech ... it's the late hour for me, nothing else new to talk about. So I'm analyzing human behavior. Not saying that someone is right or wrong, just that I really wish we all would live less complicated lives ... with less misunderstandings. Sometimes it's hard to see things clearly, especially now that I'm tired.

[Guest]

Chicago is a great city.
Remember Mura warned us that it's going to get hot out here in the final week.
They are throwing EVERYTHING at us to convince us Josh is F1... (what does that mean????)
If that's not enough to soothe your soul - go back and watch their interaction... it's true, it's real, it's LOVE.

I don't know much about the spoilers, maybe that is why I'm so confident it is Nick and Andi.  I'm going by what I've watched.  I say believe the love story!  I saw the love story with JP and Ash too, but everyone seemed to think it was Ben.  JP also got the romantic helicopter/private island date with the money shots frolicking in the water.  Why would they waste that sexy hot date on F2?    

It was very telling that when Nick read his storybook to her (which was so romantic) the producers harkened back to their real love story, splicing in the video of him getting out of the limo to first see her.  

She gives Nick the first impression rose, the first second date, all the very romantic epic dates go to him, the first hometown rose went to Nick, the "sneak-over" was Nick, the helicopter/private island date which was also the very first fantasy suite date, the very last rose given before the FRC went first to Nick.  She smiled at him so big then and he just about couldn't breathe as he had to look away with a sexy smirk.  LOVE!  She chooses Nick.  By comparison, Josh gets to play baseball with the locals, it is sweet but not the same romance.  Yes, they make out quite well, but there is no real love story being shown.  Josh is being pushed as F1 and simultaneously called as comfortable as an old shoe, and her safe choice, and I'd be upset if I were Josh and ended up as the old shoe who gets the girl.  So, I don't think they would do that to the F1, he would deserve better.  I would not ever be anyone's "safe choice" - how insulting.  Josh will be the Bachelor if he accepts - and he'll rock it!  He is a great man and I'll be watching.

Visually, there have been shots of Nick and Andi passing a wedding, going under the "eternal love" bridge, flying over a beautiful heart shaped coral reef, all the while the most epic love story music is playing in the background.  

Now add in all that she has said about Nick - once in a life time thing, he sees all sides of her, mature love, passion she's never felt before, in fact she doesn't even have words to describe it because she has never felt this before.  They are showing us a tender and enduring love story - believe it!

I believe Karmagirl.    Sooooo many good points.

  

Why would TPTB flesh out Nick's story to such a detailed degree if he was F2... They’ve laid out Nick's challenge too - to overcome the fears and skepticism brought on by past heartaches and to move into the future with Andi.  Why would TPTB spend so much energy getting me to invest in Nick if they were just going to drop me flat!!!??.  I mean sometimes I feel like I'm watching Nick's search for love instead of Andi's...   

By comparison, Josh's story, to me at least, is much less granular, less detailed.  He’s all in, has no hesitations is 100% confident about his pending engagement.  So where is the hook?  What is his obstacle… ??because every great love story has one, right???

Yes Sue! Brilliant! They have totally set it up that way, Nick overcoming heartache and skepticism to fall in love with Andi (much like JP) and Andi going "out of her comfort zone" to choose a man that she has always aspired to be with.

The sad thing is that those who have been spoiled, have not been able to be swept away by the love story being shown. They are missing it!

[SueSt]

Oh, I'm not talking about the spoilers either ... it's the negative opinions that I read about Nick that get me hard ... I just wish people would give him a chance and not look every move he does from the critical point of view (I hope I'm not pushing the boundaries of forum rules again by saying this). I'm not saying that Nick is perfect - far from that, I could state numerous of "negative" traits of his character and list the situations where he could have handled the situation better, but it bugs me ... now even more, after re-watching the Marseille episode, how people (guys, some viewers) describe him with adjectives that I wouldn't give the same meaning to. (yes, I'm one of those very peculiar vocabulary advocate) I go by the rule of argumentation and fact proving, before jumping to conclusions and calling someone names, for something he hasn't done. Because I don't mind the truth, even when it's harsh and negative, hard to hear, but till it's the truth, I can't argue and deny it ... it's the inventions and gossip that bug me big time. Because it's hard to "win" those battles ... it's just better let them go...
See, I didn't want to get all negative and serious with this speech ... it's the late hour for me, nothing else new to talk about. So I'm analyzing human behavior. Not saying that someone is right or wrong, just that I really wish we all would live less complicated lives ... with less misunderstandings. Sometimes it's hard to see things clearly, especially now that I'm tired.

Remember what Nick tweeted:


Retweeted by Nicholas Viall
Gentleman's Handbook @ImThatGentleman · May 29
Only weak minded people get offended at someone's opinion.

I'm confident in him; Nick's a big boy and I believe fully capable of handling this crazzzziness!   

[black_tears]

It has been a difficult season to be a Nick #teamsalty fan that's for sure! Thanks all for making this such a fun and optimistic place to be.

[SueSt]

Yes Sue!  Brilliant!  They have totally set it up that way, Nick overcoming heartache and skepticism to fall in love with Andi (much like JP) and Andi going "out of her comfort zone" to choose a man that she has always aspired to be with.  

The sad thing is that those who have been spoiled, have not been able to be swept away by the love story being shown.  They are missing it!  

You are correct; that IS the saddest, thing!!   
So you've inspired me to SHOUT in honor of Nick   
OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE; IT'S HAPPENING AND WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST ROMANTIC FRCS IN HISTORY!!  

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