Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #5

[sdmom]

Thought this was interesting:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Bachelorette-Men-Tell-All-1084682.aspx

As for who she should pick...
Of course we polled a few of the guys for their input. Marquel said, "Nick and her give me that Notebook feeling," while Marcus told us, "I didn't get along with Nick that well and I'm really great friends with Josh and I see a great relationship that could happen with [them], so my vote is for Josh."

Marquel is focused on the relationship between N&A; Marcus on his relationship with Josh
Things that make you go: Hmmmmmmmm

I think it is telling that the guy who came off the best last night (Marquel) is good friends with Nick and chose him.  Chris, Marcus and Brian seemed to be ganging up on JJ and just acting arrogant in general and it didn't make me like any of them.  Dylan is the exception to that clique.

I love how Marquel stays true to himself and supports Nick all the way. I wanna see them reunite after the show. What happened to July 17? I thought they were going to meet up?

[SueSt]

Thought this was interesting:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Bachelorette-Men-Tell-All-1084682.aspx

As for who she should pick...
Of course we polled a few of the guys for their input. Marquel said, "Nick and her give me that Notebook feeling," while Marcus told us, "I didn't get along with Nick that well and I'm really great friends with Josh and I see a great relationship that could happen with [them], so my vote is for Josh."

Marquel is focused on the relationship between N&A; Marcus on his relationship with Josh
Things that make you go: Hmmmmmmmm

I think it is telling that the guy who came off the best last night (Marquel) is good friends with Nick and chose him.  Chris, Marcus and Brian seemed to be ganging up on JJ and just acting arrogant in general and it didn't make me like any of them.  Dylan is the exception to that clique.

This is all true, however, my point wasn't that Marquel choose Nick rather that he described Nick and Andi's relationship.

[Cecilia]

Thought this was interesting:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Bachelorette-Men-Tell-All-1084682.aspx

As for who she should pick...
Of course we polled a few of the guys for their input. Marquel said, "Nick and her give me that Notebook feeling," while Marcus told us, "I didn't get along with Nick that well and I'm really great friends with Josh and I see a great relationship that could happen with [them], so my vote is for Josh."

Marquel is focused on the relationship between N&A; Marcus on his relationship with Josh
Things that make you go: Hmmmmmmmm

I think it is telling that the guy who came off the best last night (Marquel) is good friends with Nick and chose him.  Chris, Marcus and Brian seemed to be ganging up on JJ and just acting arrogant in general and it didn't make me like any of them.  Dylan is the exception to that clique.

This is all true, however, my point wasn't that Marquel choose Nick rather that he described Nick and Andi's relationship.  

Well yeah. And I can't take anything Marcus says seriously. He's already engaged to someone else from a subsequent reality show! he is hot though. I just kind of got the impression that the cliques in the house (chris, josh, dylan, brian, marcus, cody) vs. (nick, jj, marquel) are telling. The former seem more like guys guys, less unique and/or intelligent  :hidingchair, the latter a little different, more unique, seem to be more intelligent. JMO JMO

[Longhornfan]

I have a question regarding the letter that they showed CH give to Andi.  They made a much bigger deal out of it last night.  Can someone who follows RS please answer this question for me?

Did RS ever mention in any of his blogs, twitter posts, etc. (much further back, as opposed to just recently) that he was told by the source of the plane video that Nick had said that he wanted to write Andi a letter?  It seems odd that that was not captured on the tape, since it would seem like something that Nick would have said near the end of the video - at least to me.

RS said yesterday on twitter that he said it before she started recording Nick.

Okay, thanks.  So, this is a "he said, she said" bit of information that RS is JUST NOW passing on. There is no hard evidence to back it up.

[sdmom]

^^I remember cholep posted Chris, Dylan and Brian were good friends in the house. However, after filming, Brian acknowledged it was an unnatural environment and now he's good friends with Nick and they talk daily. He has defended Nick recently. Chris visited Nick in Chicago so I assumed they are friends now?   Nick S. seems to be friends with our Nick, both of them living in Chicago.
Well, Marcus... at least he's been consistent, dislike Nick during and after the filming.

[Cecilia]

^^I remember cholep posted Chris, Dylan and Brian were good friends in the house. However, after filming, Brian acknowledged it was an unnatural environment and now he's good friends with Nick and they talk daily. He has defended Nick recently. Chris visited Nick in Chicago so I assumed they are friends now?   Nick S. seems to be friends with our Nick, both of them living in Chicago.
Well, Marcus... at least he's been consistent, dislike Nick during and after the filming.

The same guys that ganged up on Nick during filming just ganged up on JJ during the MTA and it was for BS reasons. So, I'm not into those type of guys who make drama like that. It's very unattractive to me.

[notarose]

^^I remember cholep posted Chris, Dylan and Brian were good friends in the house. However, after filming, Brian acknowledged it was an unnatural environment and now he's good friends with Nick and they talk daily. He has defended Nick recently. Chris visited Nick in Chicago so I assumed they are friends now?   Nick S. seems to be friends with our Nick, both of them living in Chicago.
Well, Marcus... at least he's been consistent, dislike Nick during and after the filming.

The same guys that ganged up on Nick during filming just ganged up on JJ during the MTA and it was for BS reasons.  So, I'm not into those type of guys who make drama like that.  It's very unattractive to me.

I thought the crap arguing did bring out something wonderful.  Marquel is a glorious example of "a man". No matter what the other guys threw his way he continued to redirect the conversation by simply pointing out the truth; that they seemed to lack the ability to stay on topic, were weak because they felt a need to draw in their opinions of others (like JJ), and by doing so highlighted their lack of conflict resolution skills.  Overall they are all good guys, but Marquel is a great man.  A leader in the best possible way.

A recent article written by a reporter who was there said JJ saying he felt picked on was actually not said until the very end of filming MTA.  The edit placed it where we saw it.

[happygolucky]

can I add my 2c to this "friendship" discussion ... I, like Marquel, give a great meaning and weight to the word FRIEND... and out of that frat-house not all "connections" are friendships ... Nick most close relationships of real friendship seem to be with Marquel, JJ and Brian. He acknowledge Dylan and Chris as great guys, hangs out with Nick S., doesn't mention Josh or Marcus... feel free to come with own conclusions.
To me was very telling how guys referred to Nick in that episode of "prosecution" ... if you only listen what word each of them used for criticizing Nick ... you can understand them better.
They all are very intelligent guys. Bryan, I find him the most genuine and naive of the bunch, JJ socially awkward (doesn't have good communication skills), Marquel lives by the rules "his faith preaches" ... all the rest... what they said about Nick? ... oh yes: not there for the right reasons, always strategizing, knows every season in and out (like they have never watched TB before), already thinks who's gonna be next Bach, ... so, lets see:
Chris - everyone describes him as farmer ... but he is A SALESMAN (and very successful might add, so no wonder he's picking the whole TB campaign very fast and is savvy in advertisement) - possible new TB; Dylan, Cody and Marcus - 3 words: Bachelor in Paradise. I actually like all the guys and have nothing negative to say about them ... but when I heard them talk ...all I could think of was 1 word: hypocrisy.

[rosesrREd]

can I add my 2c to this "friendship" discussion ... I, like Marquel, give a great meaning and weight to the word FRIEND... and out of that frat-house not all "connections" are friendships ... Nick most close relationships of real friendship seem to be with Marquel, JJ and Brian. He acknowledge Dylan and Chris as great guys, hangs out with Nick S., doesn't mention Josh or Marcus... feel free to come with own conclusions.
To me was very telling how guys referred to Nick in that episode of "prosecution" ... if you only listen what word each of them used for criticizing Nick ... you can understand them better.
They all are very intelligent guys. Bryan, I find him the most genuine and naive of the bunch, JJ socially awkward (doesn't have good communication skills), Marcus lives by the rules "his faith preaches" ... all the rest... what they said about Nick? ... oh yes: not there for the right reasons, always strategizing, knows every season in and out (like they have never watched TB before), already thinks who's gonna be next Bach, ... so, lets see:
Chris - everyone describes him as farmer ... but he is A SALESMAN (and very successful might add, so no wonder he's picking the whole TB campaign very fast and is savvy in advertisement) - possible new TB; Dylan, Cody and Marcus - 3 words: Bachelor in Paradise. I actually like all the guys and have nothing negative to say about them ... but when I heard them talk ...all I could think of was 1 word: hypocrisy.

I was sligtly disappointed in Chris on last night's show. He seemed to be a bit of a bully.

Anyway, any ideas on the letter anyone?

[happygolucky]

Letter? ... dunno. I really don't know which way the wind blows as far as TPTB story with Josh. (don't know if they want him as the Bach or not, the edit is a bit down) IT could be Nick's letter - and it wouldn't be any game changer, shocker, horrible news ... unless maybe for some fans in case he writes "want to get married today?" (considering we would see this at ATFR) ... I doubt is a plea or a request for one more chance from any of guys.

I decided to let myself be surprised ... and it's hard, but with you I'm enjoying.
(cuz I like reading books' endings first too, or reading a synopsis of a movie I'm gonna watch ... so not a fan of suspense either)

ETA: in the post above I corrected a mistake ... change of name, wanted to write Marquel, but I wrote Marcus (about following faith teachings of love)

[Luvstruck]

On the folded paper I wonder if it is the ending pages to Nick's story he read to Andi on the fantasy date where he ended leaving a few blank pages thus Chris Harrison's it is from one of your F2 guys I recommend you read it Chris H has defended Nick all season in his blogs saying he would probably act the same way with a girl he loved and his blog last week for the final 2 guys he said Josh was the familiar road and Nick was the love she aspired to but less traveled and I wonder if she can choose underpressure. So maybe she can't choose him under the pressure of making that decision by finale time but they recommend she read his note so she can make that decision now. hmmmmmm..........

[happygolucky]

I think the tears we see in the preview ... are all about the pressure ... just simply that, not knowing what to do ... looking for help, for someone to tell her which road to take ... and ... I doubt she would chicken out ... it's Andi we're talking about, the girl who gave a guy FIR by taking it from the table in front of so many guys, walked to another group and asked to see Nick. A girl who decided to have 1on1 date on the spot without date card, when everyone was expecting her to take Cody out, but no, she needed to settle down a problem with Nick first, not caring about the feelings of other guys. A girl who decided to give Nick HTR and with it mini 1on1, not caring for the feelings of other 3 guys. A girl who followed her gut-feeling about THIS guy from the beginning, even when everyone around was telling her not to trust him and that he isn't what he seems to be. A woman, who sees in Nick, a genuine and sweet man, when everyone else on SM are screaming at her for being blind. A woman who describes herself as bitchy sometimes ... well, we all admit, that even Nick can be quite "salty" at times too...
so yeah, any questions whether she would fall under pressure? ... she's an ADA ... she can handle a bit of a drama ... after all, she needs to create it (with TPTB).

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