Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #5

by stuckinsc Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:54 pm

MiaHawk wrote:I do not read twitter or fb or instagram or any SM (unless somebody here posts it....thank you to those who do!). The closest thing to SM that I actively participate in is this forum. In general, I think there is a lot of anonymous nastiness that comes with online posting and SM. People, myself included, forget at times that their comments go out into the big wide world for many, many to see. The instantaneousness of thinking a thought, putting it into print, and circulating it to the masses, creates an easy way to spew anger or say mean things. There is a 'mob mentality' to it, too. So people get emboldened by the nastiness of other posters and often try to one-up the others with their snark or nastiness.

Time for an apology...if I have crossed a line, if I have been unnecessarily harsh, or if I have offended anyone, it wasn't my intent. I will try to do better. Yet I cannot promise all hearts and rainbows.

It seems to me (amongst the teens, 20s and 30s) that douchebag is a very commonly used word. As far as I can tell, people use it synonimously with jerk or a$$. And they say it openly and freely. When I grew up the only time you heard the word douche or douchebag was when those embarrassing Summer's Eve commercials came onto the tv while you were sitting next to your parents watching the Carol Burnett Show. Today, douchebag is the new a-hole.

My little Strudel called Nick a douchebag on the show, or at least that is how it looked with the editting(that they were speaking about Nick). I think, if I can speak for Marcus, he said it because while he didn't think Nick was a horrible person, that he did not like some of his attitudes (smugness, strongly assertive, dry humor) and some of his choices (taking time with Andi at RCs when he already had a rose...a problem each season with at least one person, his open and verbal dislike for the GDs could have rubbed those men who had only been on GDs the wrong way, or his sneak over right after Marcus' one on one...if Marcus found out about that I could see him being very upset). I think that people tend to (as I just demonstrated above) speak for their favorites. So, if Nick slighted or annoyed a particular guy, and that guy's fan is posting a comment, I think they see things through that lens. And then they post things from that point of view.

Do I think this is right? I don't know. If you watch this show, you are bound to relate more to one person or another and then carry their torch into battle for them, posting passionately in favor of them and against anyone who dares to cross them. It is why we say #teamnick or #teamjosh. People tend to draw lines in the sand, because it is theeasiest thing to do, to default into that mode of thinking, to be part of a mob.

I think it is wrong to say purposefully hateful things about anyone. I thought it was horrible what people ( including people on the staff of this show) were saying about Drew in Des' season. The problem is that we all have different senses of humor and levels of sensitivity to things that are said. What may offend one may not offend another. When you are speaking to a friend, for example, you know what is allowable and what crosses a line with that person. And we have different types of conversations with different friends and we are constantly adjusting our vocabulary and tone. We don't think too consciously about it because it just comes naturally. But on SM none of those patterns exist, so people get themselves into trouble by crossing those lines.

I am certainly not trying to make excuses for people's nastiness, laziness, or hurtfulness. I am simply trying to look for the reason behind why some otherwise nice people turn really nasty on SM. While I think that posting a hate filled post is a douchebag move, I don't necessary think that the poster is a fulltime douchebag. I choose to think it is a moment of weakness for most people and not who they they are in sum total.

Mia, great post.

On the douchebag question. It is very much like you said. I even joke with my bff here in Augusta, she is 26 and I like to tease her that she is actually attracted to the borderline douchebag. To us it is that guy who drives the big truck (while often living in an apartment and having no need at his job for a big truck), may not always have the best social graces and may sometimes fall into the less intellectually stimulating end of the conversation, not that he isn't smart, he just doesn't always show it. I find this funny because the blogger who knows Josh and called him a Florida douche when she met him. That first impression while not true is exactly what would make my friend wildly attracted to him and what made Andi wildly attracted to him as well.

by nutty1 Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:46 am

Here is a post I made in the wrong thread (the plane one)

nutty1 wrote:The couch Andi is crying on matches Nick's couch where he is staying. All the other clues are subjective, but to me, screen cap evidence is not. This to me is the strongest proof Nick is F2…..not RS, not SM clues, not the plane video. For me, all they do is support the screen cap evidence.

But I am now changing my tune……the kissing picture is the MTP portion of the date…..so it probably isn't at Nick's place. That changes everything. It's not definitive it is letting Nick go.

by Mirzam Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:55 am

Nutty there are two kissing on the couch SCs - one from MTP and one that matches Andi crying SC. I can't bring them over, but check back in the SC thread and you will find the other kissing pic. Andi has her hand on her head in it.

by nutty1 Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:56 am

Mirzam wrote:Nutty there are two kissing on the couch SCs - one from MTP and one that matches Andi crying SC. I can't bring them over, but check back in the SC thread and you will find the other kissing pic. Andi has her hand on her head in it.

I know. But we don't know where she is when she is crying. I originally thought it was where Nick was staying, because I thought the kissing picture was after the evening date (& they would be at his place). But it is when he meets the parents. So it isn't at Nick's place, so it isn't conclusive that is when she lets Nick go (or if).

by Hotmomma Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:58 am

There was a sc of her and Nick's LCD. She has her hair up I think she is wearing a blue dress..

by Mirzam Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:00 pm

We see them kissing in two places - MTP and presumably at Nick's room. The couch in the latter matches the crying SC. IMO.

by stuckinsc Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:04 pm

Nutty, it is believed that is is from Nick's LCD. The couch matches the crying screen cap.
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by SueSt Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:06 pm

b wrote:A question for those of you so great at analyzing the edit: The past 2-3 weeks have been interesting. Why oh why would they deliver Josh is F1 on a silver platter?! If Josh truly is F1, few will be surprised. I expected them to deliver a more pro Nick package last night on the summary and/or preview, but no, they showed the preview that makes it appear she lets Nick go early. So where's the suspense, the surprise?

Hi B, what specifically did you see that makes you think Andi let Nick go early?

by gurlbrit Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:07 pm

So question? We are no closer to knowing definitively the ending, correct? Just Andi at the podium and no guys choosing rings or getting ready the day of. Hmmmm. TPTB are getting more and more stingy with their previews.

by stuckinsc Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:09 pm

SueSt wrote:
b wrote:A question for those of you so great at analyzing the edit: The past 2-3 weeks have been interesting. Why oh why would they deliver Josh is F1 on a silver platter?! If Josh truly is F1, few will be surprised. I expected them to deliver a more pro Nick package last night on the summary and/or preview, but no, they showed the preview that makes it appear she lets Nick go early. So where's the suspense, the surprise?

Hi B, what specifically did you see that makes you think Andi let Nick go early?

Most would say they want the happy ending for Andi after the bad taste of JPG's finale. I think they will trump up drama, will Josh propose or not? Which is stupid, since he said that he was only saying ILY to his wife and he told Andi directly he wants to marry her. No drama there, Josh will totally propose, I guess unless and Hy doesn't give permission, but seriously, I can't imagine this happening. I would drive to Atlanta and high five Hy if he did, but nope, that does not go with being good TPTB soldiers and drinking the kool-aid.

by nutty1 Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:09 pm

stuckinsc wrote:Nutty, it is believed that is is from Nick's LCD. The couch matches the crying screen cap.

Dang….back to my original thought then.

by stuckinsc Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:10 pm

gurlbrit wrote:So question? We are no closer to knowing definitively the ending, correct? Just Andi at the podium and no guys choosing rings or getting ready the day of. Hmmmm. TPTB are getting more and more stingy with their previews.

It smacks of foiler to me, but the screen cap of Andi crying in no makeup in Nick's room is hard to overcome.

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