Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #5

[sdmom]

After last night's episode, I feel like a woman without a country.    
Where do I post without annoying someone else?   :hidingchair
 
I personally don't see Andi choosing Chris, so I feel like I cannot post in the Chris threads.
I personally don't feel warm and fuzzy about Josh, so I feel like I cannot post in the Josh threads.
I personally believe the spoilers.  I think she did choose Josh.  But....I see Nick as a guy who is head over heels in love, who is going to be heartbroken at FRC.

It is always difficult at this time of the season to watch the train go off the tracks.
I cried during Nick's HTD because I could see the true emotion he feels towards Andi, and it will be difficult to see him be blindsided.  I hope I see Andi begin to pull back from him in the next episodes.  If she truly is set on Josh, why lead Nick on even more.  I know, I know, it is the premise of the show and Andi is a good little soldier.  It's just so difficult to watch people get crushed, especially when I can see that they do have deep feelings for the lead.  Bubble or not, I see that Nick is in love with Andi.  I also believe that Andi was in love with Nick (as well as Josh) but something tipped the scales in favor of Josh.

Could it all be part of an elaborate foiler campaign?  Maybe.  I've been known to believe in the concept of foilers.  The thing that makes me feel that it is spoiler rather than foiler is the Murray family involvement in it.  I see them as a competitive family through and through.  If Josh was F2, I don't see them as willing participants in this foiler, at all.  I could see Nick, sarcastic and sneaky, going along with TPTB's idea, but I cannot imagine Josh and his family.  I think that the Murray's would circle their wagons around Josh and be done with it all by now.

But what do I know.  I don't read media, SM, or sleuth.  I watch the show, read this board, and go with my gut.  I knew she'd never pick sexy sweetheart Marcus, but I enjoyed watching his journey.  And even though I do think that Nick is smug, I see him as invested, open, vulnerable, and in love with Andi.  I have witnessed the transformation of Nick.  Never bought into the villain edit, just the smirky (perhaps) over-confidence in their relationship as being better than the other guys.  And even if he ends up as F2, there is a part of me that still thinks that he was right--he and Andi did have the best relationship---it's just that Andi saw something in a future with Josh that she felt she couldn't get with Nick, and she was willing to bet on the future potential of that relationship and choose Josh.  JMHO.      

Mia, you have been one of this the whole time.  Sdmom and I don't want her to pick Nick, and others have doubt, but it is fun to discuss Nick here.

I am torn between all the SM and the Murrays being haha, we are F1 and yahoo, we are the next bachelor.

Either way Nick is happy, so I am happy and glad we got to meet all of her F4.  I would have been happier with a different ette, but hey the guys liked her so maybe she isn't so bad.

  
Sometimes I feel Andi is not good enough for Nick who deserves someone who loves, respect, support and cherish him wholeheartedly ....Her grumpy face and downward turned lips are really not attractive at all.... :hidingchair 

[Mustang19]

How sad that I'm out and still checking this dang board!
I have a question. More for those who think Josh is not F1. I know what  those who do think he is F1 think so we don't have to bog down this thread with that.
What I want to know is how you can dismiss the Snapchat? The only way I see that happening is if Josh was promised the next lead. And I'm guessing that belongs to Chris. I don't know if andi's name was faked but it was  Josh's.
Again, please answer if you think Josh is not the final guy. Thanks.

I was really thinking it was Josh since the first night, but last week's episode with Nick really gave me a feeling in my gut that maybe it's Nick. I just think back to Des' season. Brooks was spoiled F1 and I felt he was F1 based on what I saw and heard on screen (not because of RS). This time, RS spoiled Josh, and I was going along with the same thought until I saw her with Nick last week. There is something there, but there is also something with Josh. I guess if you believe it's not Josh, then all of the SM such as the Snapchat, plane video, etc. would have to be foilers and I just don't know if I can see ALL of that effort being put into it. This part of the show is what would be really interested to learn - all of the inside information that goes into trying to fool the public. To me, there still is not a front runner after last night's show.

If it happens that Nick or Chis is F1, I will be interested to hear how those who thought Josh was F1 feel. They will be in the same shoes as I was with Brooks. I didn't take RS's word as gospel, it was just what I felt. I know there are some who just feel that it's Josh based on what they see and hear and not going by RS's spoiler. MF is adapting on to how to keep the public guessing as the show goes on. I really miss watching the hard work of the sleuthers with all the screencaps and putting the puzzle pieces together.  

There are other indications that Josh is F1.  The yellow ribbon and Nick's video.  You guys keep bringing up Brooks, but there are no similarities to the two in any way.

I know there are other clues, and I generally believed Josh was F1 - until last week. That gave me doubt. The comparison with Brooks is from my feelings, he was my gut feeling, as it is with Josh. The spoilers didn't/don't matter. Des would have picked Brooks if he hadn't left. I think Andi chooses Josh - until last week when doubt crept in. It's how I felt/feel. Still leaning toward Josh, but there is doubt now.

[stuckinsc]

I was really thinking it was Josh since the first night, but last week's episode with Nick really gave me a feeling in my gut that maybe it's Nick. I just think back to Des' season. Brooks was spoiled F1 and I felt he was F1 based on what I saw and heard on screen (not because of RS). This time, RS spoiled Josh, and I was going along with the same thought until I saw her with Nick last week. There is something there, but there is also something with Josh. I guess if you believe it's not Josh, then all of the SM such as the Snapchat, plane video, etc. would have to be foilers and I just don't know if I can see ALL of that effort being put into it. This part of the show is what would be really interested to learn - all of the inside information that goes into trying to fool the public. To me, there still is not a front runner after last night's show.

If it happens that Nick or Chis is F1, I will be interested to hear how those who thought Josh was F1 feel. They will be in the same shoes as I was with Brooks. I didn't take RS's word as gospel, it was just what I felt. I know there are some who just feel that it's Josh based on what they see and hear and not going by RS's spoiler. MF is adapting on to how to keep the public guessing as the show goes on. I really miss watching the hard work of the sleuthers with all the screencaps and putting the puzzle pieces together.  

There are other indications that Josh is F1.  The yellow ribbon and Nick's video.  You guys keep bringing up Brooks, but there are no similarities to the two in any way.

I know there are other clues, and I generally believed Josh was F1 - until last week. That gave me doubt. The comparison with Brooks is from my feelings, he was my gut feeling, as it is with Josh. The spoilers didn't/don't matter. Des would have picked Brooks if he hadn't left. I think Andi chooses Josh - until last week when doubt crept in.  It's how I felt/feel. Still leaning toward Josh, but there is doubt now.

There are just too many spoilers to make me confident. Maybe it is the scientist in me or the pessimist, but too much of a good thing usually isn't.

I can see all the SM stuff being, look you got a great love story. I can also see it being the set up for us all to fall in love with Josh, the next bachelor.

So I have decided to only follow what I see on screen, since if I am not sure about one spoiler, for this season I am choosing to disregard them all.

[nd4reality]

Quick question to the Nick fans - has there been more "movement of the feet" sleuthed between Nick and Andi since his trip prior to Memorial day ?

My one doubt about Nick as F1 is that Andi seems to have been pretty much around the Atlanta area and not been sighted at Airports etc. This gives me pause as to whether there could be a possible Nick as F1 scenario.
But I haven't been paying too close attention.

I find Josh's edit very lopsided so other than the fact that Andi does not seem to have been traveling for safehouse visits - she is probably meeting with him in the Georgia area.
Wondering.

[stuckinsc]

Quick question to the Nick fans  - has there been more "movement of the feet" sleuthed between Nick and Andi since his trip prior to Memorial day ?

My one doubt about Nick as F1 is that Andi seems to have been pretty much around the Atlanta area and not been sighted at Airports etc. This gives me pause as to whether there could be a possible Nick as F1 scenario.
But I haven't been paying too close attention.

I find Josh's edit very lopsided so other than the fact that Andi does not seem to have been traveling for safehouse visits - she is probably meeting with him in the Georgia area.
Wondering.

Both were not spotted this weekend anywhere. I have friends who drove from Atlanta to Chicago frequently when we were at Emory. Plus, lots of places to meet in between, much as Des and Chris did last season. I believe the distance from Seattle to LA is longer than Atlanta to Chicago.

Not that this is proof. Like I said, I am not believing any spoilers this year, going to form my own opinion.

[sdmom]

On June 14, Nick posted "back in town". According to momoftrips:
"Yep. I've seen twitter sightings of him in Chicago almost everyday last week up until the 8th. So I believe he was out of town until Friday. "
This is the same period that Josh was in Cancun.
As stuck mentioned no photographic proofs of their whereabouts during July 4th weekend. Nick's first tweet after the weekend: "Gosh, I love peanut butter", many of us Nick fans think it's a reference to their This or That game in Brussels when Andi picked peanut butter over jelly. Or it could a random post.   
Nick is good at playing mind game too!

[nutty1]

Nick also wasn't heard from or seen since early July 4 until Sunday evening.

[nutty1]

How sad that I'm out and still checking this dang board!
I have a question. More for those who think Josh is not F1. I know what  those who do think he is F1 think so we don't have to bog down this thread with that.
What I want to know is how you can dismiss the Snapchat? The only way I see that happening is if Josh was promised the next lead. And I'm guessing that belongs to Chris. I don't know if andi's name was faked but it was  Josh's.
Again, please answer if you think Josh is not the final guy. Thanks.

I never use Snapchat and am too old for it. I can see it either way, because of the questions I have:
1. RS said Josh's friends sent it to him. What kind of  friends would violate your privacy like that? Or Josh just randomly accept friend requests? He's a semi celebrity now, I would have been more discreet in whom I want to be friends with in SM now.
2. Have we found out who  this  #1 brittany is? A random fan? How did she become #1 on his favorite? Sending many many pictures to Josh? Did he need to see them? If she's just a fan, I would be freaked out by constant snapchatting me and either delete her or ask her to stop.
3. Is that real Andi? Why did she use her real name? Is she so in love that she's became naive and careless? Could it be another fan?
Anyway, it's just me and like I say, I am too old for Snapchat so I probably don't understand what young people are thinking now.

The other thing is Murray family's SM. Don't get me wrong, I respect them, but to me it just seems they constantly promote the show. So, either Josh is F1 and Murray family want to share the whole SM world their happiness and acceptance and TPTB allowed them to do that.
Or Josh is F2 and the family is promoting him to be the next lead. I really don't understand  

Here was my Snapchat question/concern.

On Twitter, Josh mentioned that his Snapchat requests when crazy - that was after RS showed the picture of Josh's Snapchat. So apparently, it really is Josh's real Snapchat. People were questioning if it was Andi's real one. But if it was Josh's real one, why would he go along with creating a fake Andi account and on top of it, have it one he used almost the most??

(On the same topic, I'd still love to know about that girl who was #1 on his Snapchat).

[isittrue]

How sad that I'm out and still checking this dang board!
I have a question. More for those who think Josh is not F1. I know what  those who do think he is F1 think so we don't have to bog down this thread with that.
What I want to know is how you can dismiss the Snapchat? The only way I see that happening is if Josh was promised the next lead. And I'm guessing that belongs to Chris. I don't know if andi's name was faked but it was  Josh's.
Again, please answer if you think Josh is not the final guy. Thanks.

I never use Snapchat and am too old for it. I can see it either way, because of the questions I have:
1. RS said Josh's friends sent it to him. What kind of  friends would violate your privacy like that? Or Josh just randomly accept friend requests? He's a semi celebrity now, I would have been more discreet in whom I want to be friends with in SM now.
2. Have we found out who  this  #1 brittany is? A random fan? How did she become #1 on his favorite? Sending many many pictures to Josh? Did he need to see them? If she's just a fan, I would be freaked out by constant snapchatting me and either delete her or ask her to stop.
3. Is that real Andi? Why did she use her real name? Is she so in love that she's became naive and careless? Could it be another fan?
Anyway, it's just me and like I say, I am too old for Snapchat so I probably don't understand what young people are thinking now.

The other thing is Murray family's SM. Don't get me wrong, I respect them, but to me it just seems they constantly promote the show. So, either Josh is F1 and Murray family want to share the whole SM world their happiness and acceptance and TPTB allowed them to do that.
Or Josh is F2 and the family is promoting him to be the next lead. I really don't understand  

Here was my Snapchat question/concern.

On Twitter, Josh mentioned that his Snapchat requests when crazy - that was after RS showed the picture of Josh's Snapchat. So apparently, it really is Josh's real Snapchat. People were questioning if it was Andi's real one. But if it was Josh's real one, why would he go along with creating a fake Andi account and on top of it, have it one he used almost the most??

(On the same topic, I'd still love to know about that girl who was #1 on his Snapchat).

While it likely is his Snapchat he only tweeted about after RS showed it. I found that a little plus the fact that he tweeted about it at all, why not just keep silent instead admitting it is your account?

[nutty1]

What I am asking is how those who think Nick is F1 can explain the Snapchat?

[Tiggerlgh]

I never use Snapchat and am too old for it. I can see it either way, because of the questions I have:
1. RS said Josh's friends sent it to him. What kind of  friends would violate your privacy like that? Or Josh just randomly accept friend requests? He's a semi celebrity now, I would have been more discreet in whom I want to be friends with in SM now.
2. Have we found out who  this  #1 brittany is? A random fan? How did she become #1 on his favorite? Sending many many pictures to Josh? Did he need to see them? If she's just a fan, I would be freaked out by constant snapchatting me and either delete her or ask her to stop.
3. Is that real Andi? Why did she use her real name? Is she so in love that she's became naive and careless? Could it be another fan?
Anyway, it's just me and like I say, I am too old for Snapchat so I probably don't understand what young people are thinking now.

The other thing is Murray family's SM. Don't get me wrong, I respect them, but to me it just seems they constantly promote the show. So, either Josh is F1 and Murray family want to share the whole SM world their happiness and acceptance and TPTB allowed them to do that.
Or Josh is F2 and the family is promoting him to be the next lead. I really don't understand  

Here was my Snapchat question/concern.

On Twitter, Josh mentioned that his Snapchat requests when crazy - that was after RS showed the picture of Josh's Snapchat. So apparently, it really is Josh's real Snapchat. People were questioning if it was Andi's real one. But if it was Josh's real one, why would he go along with creating a fake Andi account and on top of it, have it one he used almost the most??

(On the same topic, I'd still love to know about that girl who was #1 on his Snapchat).

While it likely is his Snapchat he only tweeted about after RS showed it.  I found that a little plus the fact that he tweeted about it at all, why not just keep silent instead admitting it is your account?

It probably didn't go crazy before as his username wasn't public RS posting I am sure caused a lot of people to snapchat him.

I am confused by the edit who is F1 between Nick and Josh but the snapchat and the yellow ribbon (a small thing only us who over analyze this show would notice) makes me think it's Josh at this point. Those two things are the hardest for me to get over.

[isittrue]

What I am asking is how those who think Nick is F1 can explain the Snapchat?

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about snap chat so I don't know that I can explain.  Can you fake a snapchat account? I know you can fake other SM accounts.  What I meant in my previous post was that I thought the timing of Josh tweeting about the high amount of requests he was receiving after RS posted about it seemed odd.  If I was Josh, I would have remained silent and not said anything about it.  It just basically gave RS even more credence  and who would want to do that.  I think all SM clues between Josh and his family has been overly blatant anyway. Kind of annoying IMO.   I guess I  don't know what to think as to whether Nick would be F1 or not  - my heart wants him to be, my head tells me he's not.

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