Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #5

[SueSt]

Just rewatched the preview of Nick's FD with him saying...

I glorified the relationship... I have lied to myself...

This has been discussed before, that likely Nick is talking about prior relationships... but I REALLY like that he's bringing it up ... to prompt a conversation... and give Andi an opportunity to tell him that what they have is real.

I anticipate that it's going to be a very real and loving moment that they share   

[SueSt]

Interesting that of the four HTD pictures Andi tweeted last night... only ONE did not have her guy in it......

Coincidence or Conspiracy?

[Mustang19]

How sad that I'm out and still checking this dang board!
I have a question. More for those who think Josh is not F1. I know what  those who do think he is F1 think so we don't have to bog down this thread with that.
What I want to know is how you can dismiss the Snapchat? The only way I see that happening is if Josh was promised the next lead. And I'm guessing that belongs to Chris. I don't know if andi's name was faked but it was  Josh's.
Again, please answer if you think Josh is not the final guy. Thanks.

I was really thinking it was Josh since the first night, but last week's episode with Nick really gave me a feeling in my gut that maybe it's Nick. I just think back to Des' season. Brooks was spoiled F1 and I felt he was F1 based on what I saw and heard on screen (not because of RS). This time, RS spoiled Josh, and I was going along with the same thought until I saw her with Nick last week. There is something there, but there is also something with Josh. I guess if you believe it's not Josh, then all of the SM such as the Snapchat, plane video, etc. would have to be foilers and I just don't know if I can see ALL of that effort being put into it. This part of the show is what would be really interested to learn - all of the inside information that goes into trying to fool the public. To me, there still is not a front runner after last night's show.

If it happens that Nick or Chis is F1, I will be interested to hear how those who thought Josh was F1 feel. They will be in the same shoes as I was with Brooks. I didn't take RS's word as gospel, it was just what I felt. I know there are some who just feel that it's Josh based on what they see and hear and not going by RS's spoiler. MF is adapting on to how to keep the public guessing as the show goes on. I really miss watching the hard work of the sleuthers with all the screencaps and putting the puzzle pieces together.

[Cecilia]

Interesting that of the four HTD pictures Andi tweeted last night... only ONE did not have her guy in it......

Coincidence or Conspiracy?

Yeah. Noticed that too. Other possibilities: Josh is a jealous guy.

[SueSt]

Interesting that of the four HTD pictures Andi tweeted last night... only ONE did not have her guy in it......

Coincidence or Conspiracy?

Yeah.  Noticed that too.  Other possibilities: Josh is a jealous guy.

Then why not have only Josh's picture??

[rosesrREd]

There is a reason they keep promoting Josh being untrustworthy, and "too good to be true." They normally only keep promoting stuff that usually has some sort of effect on the outcome of the show. It has been a constant them with Josh the whole season. That is one reason of many why I think Nick is F1.

[atem]

How sad that I'm out and still checking this dang board!
I have a question. More for those who think Josh is not F1. I know what  those who do think he is F1 think so we don't have to bog down this thread with that.
What I want to know is how you can dismiss the Snapchat? The only way I see that happening is if Josh was promised the next lead. And I'm guessing that belongs to Chris. I don't know if andi's name was faked but it was  Josh's.
Again, please answer if you think Josh is not the final guy. Thanks.

I was really thinking it was Josh since the first night, but last week's episode with Nick really gave me a feeling in my gut that maybe it's Nick. I just think back to Des' season. Brooks was spoiled F1 and I felt he was F1 based on what I saw and heard on screen (not because of RS). This time, RS spoiled Josh, and I was going along with the same thought until I saw her with Nick last week. There is something there, but there is also something with Josh. I guess if you believe it's not Josh, then all of the SM such as the Snapchat, plane video, etc. would have to be foilers and I just don't know if I can see ALL of that effort being put into it. This part of the show is what would be really interested to learn - all of the inside information that goes into trying to fool the public. To me, there still is not a front runner after last night's show.

If it happens that Nick or Chis is F1, I will be interested to hear how those who thought Josh was F1 feel. They will be in the same shoes as I was with Brooks. I didn't take RS's word as gospel, it was just what I felt. I know there are some who just feel that it's Josh based on what they see and hear and not going by RS's spoiler. MF is adapting on to how to keep the public guessing as the show goes on. I really miss watching the hard work of the sleuthers with all the screencaps and putting the puzzle pieces together.  

There are other indications that Josh is F1. The yellow ribbon and Nick's video. You guys keep bringing up Brooks, but there are no similarities to the two in any way.

[sdmom]

How sad that I'm out and still checking this dang board!
I have a question. More for those who think Josh is not F1. I know what  those who do think he is F1 think so we don't have to bog down this thread with that.
What I want to know is how you can dismiss the Snapchat? The only way I see that happening is if Josh was promised the next lead. And I'm guessing that belongs to Chris. I don't know if andi's name was faked but it was  Josh's.
Again, please answer if you think Josh is not the final guy. Thanks.

I never use Snapchat and am too old for it. I can see it either way, because of the questions I have:
1. RS said Josh's friends sent it to him. What kind of  friends would violate your privacy like that? Or Josh just randomly accept friend requests? He's a semi celebrity now, I would have been more discreet in whom I want to be friends with in SM now.
2. Have we found out who  this  #1 brittany is? A random fan? How did she become #1 on his favorite? Sending many many pictures to Josh? Did he need to see them? If she's just a fan, I would be freaked out by constant snapchatting me and either delete her or ask her to stop.
3. Is that real Andi? Why did she use her real name? Is she so in love that she's became naive and careless? Could it be another fan?
Anyway, it's just me and like I say, I am too old for Snapchat so I probably don't understand what young people are thinking now.

The other thing is Murray family's SM. Don't get me wrong, I respect them, but to me it just seems they constantly promote the show. So, either Josh is F1 and Murray family want to share the whole SM world their happiness and acceptance and TPTB allowed them to do that.
Or Josh is F2 and the family is promoting him to be the next lead. I really don't understand  

[sdmom]

How sad that I'm out and still checking this dang board!
I have a question. More for those who think Josh is not F1. I know what  those who do think he is F1 think so we don't have to bog down this thread with that.
What I want to know is how you can dismiss the Snapchat? The only way I see that happening is if Josh was promised the next lead. And I'm guessing that belongs to Chris. I don't know if andi's name was faked but it was  Josh's.
Again, please answer if you think Josh is not the final guy. Thanks.

I was really thinking it was Josh since the first night, but last week's episode with Nick really gave me a feeling in my gut that maybe it's Nick. I just think back to Des' season. Brooks was spoiled F1 and I felt he was F1 based on what I saw and heard on screen (not because of RS). This time, RS spoiled Josh, and I was going along with the same thought until I saw her with Nick last week. There is something there, but there is also something with Josh. I guess if you believe it's not Josh, then all of the SM such as the Snapchat, plane video, etc. would have to be foilers and I just don't know if I can see ALL of that effort being put into it. This part of the show is what would be really interested to learn - all of the inside information that goes into trying to fool the public. To me, there still is not a front runner after last night's show.

If it happens that Nick or Chis is F1, I will be interested to hear how those who thought Josh was F1 feel. They will be in the same shoes as I was with Brooks. I didn't take RS's word as gospel, it was just what I felt. I know there are some who just feel that it's Josh based on what they see and hear and not going by RS's spoiler. MF is adapting on to how to keep the public guessing as the show goes on. I really miss watching the hard work of the sleuthers with all the screencaps and putting the puzzle pieces together.  

There are other indications that Josh is F1.  The yellow ribbon and Nick's video.  You guys keep bringing up Brooks, but there are no similarities to the two in any way.

Atem, I can also bring up the bracelet that Nick's been wearing post film, and we saw Nick wearing it first time on their FD. Nick's video could be a foil. Remember Elan's fake tweets? It would not be a surprise to me it the video is Elan's way to get back to RS.
Again, I am not saying Nick is f1, but there are some "clues" that point to the possibility.

[sbolduc]

Interesting that of the four HTD pictures Andi tweeted last night... only ONE did not have her guy in it......

Coincidence or Conspiracy?

Yeah.  Noticed that too.  Other possibilities: Josh is a jealous guy.

Then why not have only Josh's picture??

Because that would make it look obvious. I think it is one of three things:

1. She is trying to protect her F1 by not focusing on Nick (who I am thinking is causing some sort of potential jealousy with her F1)
2. She is mad at Nick for the video and things she has seen on the show
3. Nick is her F1

[MiaHawk]

After last night's episode, I feel like a woman without a country.   
Where do I post without annoying someone else?  :hidingchair
 
I personally don't see Andi choosing Chris, so I feel like I cannot post in the Chris threads.
I personally don't feel warm and fuzzy about Josh, so I feel like I cannot post in the Josh threads.
I personally believe the spoilers. I think she did choose Josh. But....I see Nick as a guy who is head over heels in love, who is going to be heartbroken at FRC.

It is always difficult at this time of the season to watch the train go off the tracks.
I cried during Nick's HTD because I could see the true emotion he feels towards Andi, and it will be difficult to see him be blindsided. I hope I see Andi begin to pull back from him in the next episodes. If she truly is set on Josh, why lead Nick on even more. I know, I know, it is the premise of the show and Andi is a good little soldier. It's just so difficult to watch people get crushed, especially when I can see that they do have deep feelings for the lead. Bubble or not, I see that Nick is in love with Andi. I also believe that Andi was in love with Nick (as well as Josh) but something tipped the scales in favor of Josh.

Could it all be part of an elaborate foiler campaign? Maybe. I've been known to believe in the concept of foilers. The thing that makes me feel that it is spoiler rather than foiler is the Murray family involvement in it. I see them as a competitive family through and through. If Josh was F2, I don't see them as willing participants in this foiler, at all. I could see Nick, sarcastic and sneaky, going along with TPTB's idea, but I cannot imagine Josh and his family. I think that the Murray's would circle their wagons around Josh and be done with it all by now.

But what do I know. I don't read media, SM, or sleuth. I watch the show, read this board, and go with my gut. I knew she'd never pick sexy sweetheart Marcus, but I enjoyed watching his journey. And even though I do think that Nick is smug, I see him as invested, open, vulnerable, and in love with Andi. I have witnessed the transformation of Nick. Never bought into the villain edit, just the smirky (perhaps) over-confidence in their relationship as being better than the other guys. And even if he ends up as F2, there is a part of me that still thinks that he was right--he and Andi did have the best relationship---it's just that Andi saw something in a future with Josh that she felt she couldn't get with Nick, and she was willing to bet on the future potential of that relationship and choose Josh. JMHO.

[stuckinsc]

After last night's episode, I feel like a woman without a country.    
Where do I post without annoying someone else?   :hidingchair
 
I personally don't see Andi choosing Chris, so I feel like I cannot post in the Chris threads.
I personally don't feel warm and fuzzy about Josh, so I feel like I cannot post in the Josh threads.
I personally believe the spoilers.  I think she did choose Josh.  But....I see Nick as a guy who is head over heels in love, who is going to be heartbroken at FRC.

It is always difficult at this time of the season to watch the train go off the tracks.
I cried during Nick's HTD because I could see the true emotion he feels towards Andi, and it will be difficult to see him be blindsided.  I hope I see Andi begin to pull back from him in the next episodes.  If she truly is set on Josh, why lead Nick on even more.  I know, I know, it is the premise of the show and Andi is a good little soldier.  It's just so difficult to watch people get crushed, especially when I can see that they do have deep feelings for the lead.  Bubble or not, I see that Nick is in love with Andi.  I also believe that Andi was in love with Nick (as well as Josh) but something tipped the scales in favor of Josh.

Could it all be part of an elaborate foiler campaign?  Maybe.  I've been known to believe in the concept of foilers.  The thing that makes me feel that it is spoiler rather than foiler is the Murray family involvement in it.  I see them as a competitive family through and through.  If Josh was F2, I don't see them as willing participants in this foiler, at all.  I could see Nick, sarcastic and sneaky, going along with TPTB's idea, but I cannot imagine Josh and his family.  I think that the Murray's would circle their wagons around Josh and be done with it all by now.

But what do I know.  I don't read media, SM, or sleuth.  I watch the show, read this board, and go with my gut.  I knew she'd never pick sexy sweetheart Marcus, but I enjoyed watching his journey.  And even though I do think that Nick is smug, I see him as invested, open, vulnerable, and in love with Andi.  I have witnessed the transformation of Nick.  Never bought into the villain edit, just the smirky (perhaps) over-confidence in their relationship as being better than the other guys.  And even if he ends up as F2, there is a part of me that still thinks that he was right--he and Andi did have the best relationship---it's just that Andi saw something in a future with Josh that she felt she couldn't get with Nick, and she was willing to bet on the future potential of that relationship and choose Josh.  JMHO.      

Mia, you have been one of this the whole time. Sdmom and I don't want her to pick Nick, and others have doubt, but it is fun to discuss Nick here.

I am torn between all the SM and the Murrays being haha, we are F1 and yahoo, we are the next bachelor.

Either way Nick is happy, so I am happy and glad we got to meet all of her F4. I would have been happier with a different ette, but hey the guys liked her so maybe she isn't so bad.

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