Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 9 - Fantasy Dates - July 14/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

2observe wrote:

pander3575 wrote:

sophienette wrote:

I wouldnt mind the outfit for a beach day... but this is FD dinner!

Maybe he was trying to show Andi his fun quirky side,  Of course it wouldn't be something I'd want to wear.

I do think that Nick was making a statement with his clothing choice.  Imo, he probably wanted to see how would Andi react.  It also creates doubt that Nick will be F1, Mio.

jen689 wrote:

MiaHawk wrote:... can somebody please point me in the direction where I can see Nick's controversial FD attire?

I would expect Meandi to be immaculately dressed for each date in the most flattering designs with little thought given to the expense.  She is dressed by a professional that has the advantage of knowing well in advance where each date would take place and has items loaned to her in exchange for promotional consideration.  The contestants are told only to bring clothes for multiple climates and are limited to one suitcase and a carry-on bag. 

Their dinner date takes place in tropical DR at a resort on the sand.  I wouldn't expect a man to wear a collared, button up shirt in a neutral color in such a setting.  How generic and boring that would be!

emusha wrote:Thanks yall    :cutesmile!:  My fave thing about this show over the years has become to learn about these complicated humans and the enjoy the nuances of the relationships (as much as they allow us to see it) and to nalyze and discuss it... it's a fascinating thing to watch....

nutty1 wrote:Here it is. He says "I sensed it". He sensed they'd be together.

:23-34…“Because I sensed it throughout the whole thing…and I kept saying to her ‘I can’t wait til we’re in the real world…can’t wait til we get to do this stuff…we just go to, like, K-Mart and just chill…and don’t even have to worry about the this other stuff, you know?’”

I think Nick is very intuitive and he might be expressing the "unknown" factor of how andi and nick would be in the real world...I think nick is probably so unfamiliar to Andi's relationships dictionary/encyclopedia...she has nothing to go off of how their relationship could be in real life....and it's quite scary to make an "I do" decision based on this...it wouldn't be too surprising if she can't make that kind of commitment to be engaged with that level of unfamiliarity to the kind of relationship Nick brings...

jcrbil wrote:I agree that this is how Nick usually dresses.  And I also think it's really different from how most of the guys Andi has known and hung out with in the past have dressed.  It may or may not have been intentional on Nick's part, but it does draw further distinctions between him and Josh.  I can hear the handlers now, purposely drawing those distinctions, telling Nick how "different" he is (as opposed to Josh who is "same")... and all that comes out in Nick's phone conversation.  For me, it's always really hard to know what information was fed to the participants v. what they've actually heard from the lead.  (For example, I believe AshLee really jumbled thing she was told by her handler with things she heard from Sean which made her believe, absolutely, that she had heard certain things from him).

bilolo wrote:Oh it becomes annoying in here, so i'll leave a little and come back later.
Based on what i've read here the bashing is coming from all sides just not from everybody. Some think they need to downgrade the direct competitor of their snowflake to upgrade their snowflake some don't. I don't understand why people need to do that every season, i don't really know.

All i know is that we'll still be here next season and we don't even know these people while we're here together, talking, becoming friends and all while me might never have a word from those guys. We're a little family here and family stick together.  

jcrbil wrote:I agree that this is how Nick usually dresses.  And I also think it's really different from how most of the guys Andi has known and hung out with in the past have dressed.  It may or may not have been intentional on Nick's part, but it does draw further distinctions between him and Josh.  I can hear the handlers now, purposely drawing those distinctions, telling Nick how "different" he is (as opposed to Josh who is "same")... and all that comes out in Nick's phone conversation.  For me, it's always really hard to know what information was fed to the participants v. what they've actually heard from the lead.  (For example, I believe AshLee really jumbled thing she was told by her handler with things she heard from Sean which made her believe, absolutely, that she had heard certain things from him).

emusha wrote:

jcrbil wrote:I agree that this is how Nick usually dresses.  And I also think it's really different from how most of the guys Andi has known and hung out with in the past have dressed.  It may or may not have been intentional on Nick's part, but it does draw further distinctions between him and Josh.  I can hear the handlers now, purposely drawing those distinctions, telling Nick how "different" he is (as opposed to Josh who is "same")... and all that comes out in Nick's phone conversation.  For me, it's always really hard to know what information was fed to the participants v. what they've actually heard from the lead.  (For example, I believe AshLee really jumbled thing she was told by her handler with things she heard from Sean which made her believe, absolutely, that she had heard certain things from him).

speaking of producer manipulation....this deleted scene came out very early on...it's VERY telling - Andi asked the guys to essentially not make the bromance their priority cos they should keep their focus on the goal - their relationship with andi...funny enough shows Andrew telling nick that with nick and josh being tight it'll get dicey with andi being their shared object of affection...
it also shows (in addition to Andi's prompt to Nick to always just say what he feels and to state it unconditionally to see how it goes) that Nick was listening to Andi very very closely and taking everything to heart. Let's just say the editors went to TOWN!!! on this seed that was planted likely planted with Andi telling her that she got get her guys focused on her vs. the other dudes cos there was maybe so little drama in the house...the guys were playing with each other tooo nicely...(and we all know/tptb more than anyone else that the drama is what brings in the ratings)
also makes sense of JJ's instigator role during one of the cocktail parties where he was saying i'm not gonna be nice and cheer you on...it's def something planted by andi + tptb....it also clarifies how easily Andi was able to hear Nick's explanation of his approach with the guys and she immediately got what he meant and how things seem to be totally normal between nick and the guys (tho i have to say i find it strange that Josh isn't twitter-friendly with the dudes as much -- i mean brian facetimes with Nick every episode and JJ is all over twitter...even dylan and marquel are shouting out nick)

http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelorette/video/PL5556208/VDKA0_dtrmp49g (notice how BIZARRE it is for CH to visit them without delivering date cards/news...has that ever happened outside of mitigating drama in past episodes?)

somewhat related...i've been very very curious about Andi's agreement rumored at 50K only as her pay day...she's a LAWYER do not forget! I wonder if she negotiated the terms of the SHOW to suit her needs -- that casting isn't based on drama, that she can focus the guys on her and they are all selected for good intentions, that she has the right to make any decision and walk out on decision if she wants etc. etc. she's a smart cookie and maybe not as intimidated as others by the implications of a contract breach etc... if she did this which there are some clues pointing it out...she might be only next to Jilly as my fave bachelorette ever

Alanna wrote:

jcrbil wrote:I agree that this is how Nick usually dresses.  And I also think it's really different from how most of the guys Andi has known and hung out with in the past have dressed.  It may or may not have been intentional on Nick's part, but it does draw further distinctions between him and Josh.  I can hear the handlers now, purposely drawing those distinctions, telling Nick how "different" he is (as opposed to Josh who is "same")... and all that comes out in Nick's phone conversation.  For me, it's always really hard to know what information was fed to the participants v. what they've actually heard from the lead.  (For example, I believe AshLee really jumbled thing she was told by her handler with things she heard from Sean which made her believe, absolutely, that she had heard certain things from him).

Wow! This is a great point that I didn't even consider. Josh is the frat hard jock in his Nikes and that whole lifestyle that she's known and Nick is totally opposite, even in his clothing.

Alanna wrote:

jcrbil wrote:I agree that this is how Nick usually dresses.  And I also think it's really different from how most of the guys Andi has known and hung out with in the past have dressed.  It may or may not have been intentional on Nick's part, but it does draw further distinctions between him and Josh.  I can hear the handlers now, purposely drawing those distinctions, telling Nick how "different" he is (as opposed to Josh who is "same")... and all that comes out in Nick's phone conversation.  For me, it's always really hard to know what information was fed to the participants v. what they've actually heard from the lead.  (For example, I believe AshLee really jumbled thing she was told by her handler with things she heard from Sean which made her believe, absolutely, that she had heard certain things from him).

Wow! This is a great point that I didn't even consider. Josh is the frat hard jock in his Nikes and that whole lifestyle that she's known and Nick is totally opposite, even in his clothing.

Litta123 wrote:Or perhaps his luggage got lost.   

Actually, it could be a win-win for Nick. Andi could like it and so he gets style points from her. Or she could think it's hideous, and thus, she would want to get him out of those clothes as quickly as possible in the FS.