Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #4

[eirekay]

The other thing about Andi: last night before RC, Nick was upset, probably exhausted mentally, as he talked to Andi. She struck me as not very nurturing, at least at that moment. I wonder if she can give as much as she receive?

I think the whole premise of the show kind of sponsors that "It's all about me" attitude by somewhere around episode 5. I've seen it in a couple of the leads - they get so used to being the center of their little universe that they expect it to rotate around them. I recall really feeling like Ben was ALL ABOUT Ben. JP certainly did it. Emily too. I'm sure the TPTB push it as well. The Lead is used to being the prize, whether they like that term or not, and they eventually "need" to be sought.

[soccermom333]

Stuckinsc, that is the bachelor. I remember during Trista's season, (and she started the trend) Charlie was way to cocky and confident. He was final 2. I don't think we should compare Nicky, as bad as she was, to what is happening in Andi's season.

Just my opinion. Andi has doubt about josh (at least they make us think she does) Trista had doubt about Ryan. Same premise. Tptb never change. LOL

[stuckinsc]

I would really like to know how that happened. How did Brian (or Chris) overcome his negative feelings towards Nick? I have a hard time seeing this happen if Nick is F1. If Nick "lost" Andi, I could see the guys re-bonding over their shared loss. Would it make sense for Brian/Chris to be so forgiving if Nick gets the girl in the end? The only way I can see this happening is if those guys doubted Nick's sincerity towards Andi and thought he just wanted to win.

If they realized later Nick was truly in love, maybe they could forgive him for his comments and tactics...but then it would also mean Nick has told them the true outcome. Wouldn't that be a violation of his contract? (This is making the assumption that Nick's video was a deliberate foiler.)







Sooo...the bottom line for me is that Nick's renewed friendship post show with the guys who spoke out so harshly against him is indicating Nick is not F1...my interpretation of it all.

I don't know who F1 is this season.  I can totally believe all the spoilers as Alana has pointed out Andi is totally gaga over Josh.  My hesitation in believing the spoilers is the pure volume of spoilers.  There are just so many little titbits out there all pointing to Josh.  Either TPTB really doesn't give a darn anymore or this is the best foiler campaign ever.  And if it is, then heck lets have a Chris and Marcus F1 and F2.  Hopefully Chris wins, as I think Marcus deserves better.  I haven't seen Andi go all MeAndi on Chris, so as of right now I would be okay with her picking him.

We see the clues because we are obsessed and sleuth them out.      The casual viewer see a few spoilers maybe but not the "pure volume" we see.  imo

I respect your opinion, I really do, but just trying to keep it real.    

You are welcome to your opinion as well.  I am frequently wrong on this show.  I see Andi all over Josh and gaga like you do.  I just also see Josh as an incredibly strong family man, so I am not sure that a life having to focus on Andi or feel her wrath is great for him.  Just like with other couples, if they end up together I will try to keep an open mind and see what happens.  

I love Nikki and JPG, they are my second favorite couple from this show.  I tried to like Andi since Nikki has considered her a best friend.

I was wrong on Des and Chris.  I thought she was wishy washy and accepted a proposal too soon after heart break.  Turns out Chris is perfect for Des and it was all right there.  I did see Chris is perfect, but didn't believe in a less then 10 day turn around from distraught over Brooks to accepting Chris's proposal.  As that relationship grew, I respected that Chris was happy and Des was his happy.  Glad to be wrong on that one.

Sean was lucky as all get out that TBTP found Cat, they are completely made for each other.

Others I felt were great and fizzled fast.  Jef was the only guy I didn't totally hate Emily when she was around, and that blew up fast.  I hated Emily for Brad and was fairly accurate that she was going to make him miserable until he finally couldn't take it anymore.  Kind of what I expect to see with Andi and Josh.  

Ben and Courtney deserved each other, but were also a complete train wreck waiting to happen, I actually ended up hoping they would make it after a while before the breakup.  Like maybe they were both so damaged that they made each other better?

I loved Ashley and JP, and they are my all time favorite couple.

I thought Roberto deserved better than Ali and she would never be happy just settling into a quiet life, which is what Roberto wanted.

I loved Reid for Jilly and thought Ed was a snake.  He was not a snake, just a dumbass and not the guy for Jilly.

I wanted DeAnna and Jesse to work, because I wanted her happy, but boy was Jesse so not the man to make her happy.

There are many more, but I think the show shifted when they had DeAnna as the bachelor and I hated both Jason (like him with Molly now) and Jake, so did not care who they picked!

[Cecilia]

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Apparently sometimes my humor is dryer than a desert

Ok. Back on team nick.

[stuckinsc]

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Apparently sometimes my humor is dryer than a desert

Ok.  Back on team nick.

Welcome back. He isn't perfect, but he pretty awesome.

[Kashathediva]

Watched the video, still whatever about it. Yeah the comment about Josh is snarky and a little mean but still don't think any of this is a big deal. The guys keep saying Nick is fake and sneaky yet imo, that scene showed Nick being very direct and honest.

He flat out says to Brian that he's not interested anymore in this whole "good guy/gentleman" thing, that Andi is his priority and that he would not be happy for any of them to be with her and he's fine if they feel the same about him. What's dishonest about that. He again says that all he really wants to do is be with Andi, spend time with Andi.

And as for Brian's comments that he doesn't care about any of them, I'm sorry not to be the b-word but why should he? Are they or are they not there to romance Andi? Nick had never met any of these people ever, so why is it so important to know their whole back story and them his? They're not there to date each other. When the whole thing ends they never have to see each other again if they don't want to.

Also he clearly was paying some attention in his interactions with Josh since he knew enough to know his brother was playing football.

I agree.
I thought it was much ado about nothing.
Snarky somewhat yeah. 
I actually laffed through some of it.

[Kashathediva]

Is Josh friends with any of these guys, now? Maybe, Brian, Chris and Nick are part of the "Andi didn't pick me" club.  They have at least that in common.  

There are quite a few candids(some of which are posted throughout this forum) of the guys horsing around and clearly enjoying each other's company. This was before anyone was rejected by MeandI. 
So, yes, I believe actual friendships were formed.

[isittrue]

Watched the video, still whatever about it. Yeah the comment about Josh is snarky and a little mean but still don't think any of this is a big deal. The guys keep saying Nick is fake and sneaky yet imo, that scene showed Nick being very direct and honest.

He flat out says to Brian that he's not interested anymore in this whole "good guy/gentleman" thing, that Andi is his priority and that he would not be happy for any of them to be with her and he's fine if they feel the same about him. What's dishonest about that. He again says that all he really wants to do is be with Andi, spend time with Andi.

And as for Brian's comments that he doesn't care about any of them, I'm sorry not to be the b-word but why should he? Are they or are they not there to romance Andi? Nick had never met any of these people ever, so why is it so important to know their whole back story and them his? They're not there to date each other. When the whole thing ends they never have to see each other again if they don't want to.

Also he clearly was paying some attention in his interactions with Josh since he knew enough to know his brother was playing football.

I agree.
I thought it was much ado about nothing.
Snarky somewhat yeah. 
I actually laffed through some of it.

ITA! I like Nick's snarky sense of humor and I do think it was an attempt to be humorous and enjoy playing up his "villain role"

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Apparently sometimes my humor is dryer than a desert

Ok.  Back on team nick.

I was about to post it!
That's why I love TrickySaltyNicky, not everyone will appreciate his humor but I love he can make fun of himself. I really enjoy his tweets.

[Kashathediva]

I gotta say, I would much rather have a dog named after me--(and btw--check out my avatar--I usernamed myself after my dog!) than be assigned terms like pedophile or bipolar.
Just saying.

[stuckinsc]

I gotta say, I would much rather have a dog named after me--(and btw--check out my avatar--I usernamed myself after my dog!) than be assigned terms like pedophile or bipolar.
Just saying.

Me too! My last name has actually been used in some form by two of my friends when they named their dogs.

[Guest]

I have to assume since Andi has been seen on SM spending time with Kelly that she has told her who the F1 is. I would be surprised if she didn't. Would Kelly honestly use such words if she knew Nick was the F1?

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