Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #4

[Kashathediva]

It's the same clip. I notice a lot of VO so there could be slice and dice. Real Nick? Maybe more like the edited Nick TPTB want us to see. IMO.

I had mentioned this a couple days ago and earlier today in another thread. This clip shows mainly VO's. You see maybe 25% ITM's. The ITM's are pretty matter of fact. There is no way to know if the VO's actually are attached to the ITM's or even the time and place.

[nutty1]

It's the same clip. I notice a lot of VO so there could be slice and dice. Real Nick? Maybe more like the edited Nick TPTB want us to see. IMO.

I had mentioned this a couple days ago and earlier today in another thread. This clip shows mainly VO's. You see maybe 25% ITM's. The ITM's are pretty matter of fact. There is no way to know if the VO's actually are attached to the ITM's or even the time and place.

And isn't it amazing that most people watching the show never realize this??

[Kashathediva]

It's the same clip. I notice a lot of VO so there could be slice and dice. Real Nick? Maybe more like the edited Nick TPTB want us to see. IMO.

I had mentioned this a couple days ago and earlier today in another thread. This clip shows mainly VO's. You see maybe 25% ITM's. The ITM's are pretty matter of fact. There is no way to know if the VO's actually are attached to the ITM's or even the time and place.

And isn't it amazing that most people watching the show never realize this??

I think we forget about this! I've mentioned this now at least 3 times.   
I had my editor friend watch a couple of these things and it's amazing what computers/online editing can do, let's leave it at that.

[SueSt]

Transferred from a different thread... probably belongs here....

Forgive me for my overactive imagination this morning, but looking at what comes after they leave Bruxelles - that might mean Andi AND Nick travel on to Milwaukee together!!!... and it reminded me of Meredith and Ian... that she left her HTD and followed him to his hotel... Not saying it happened, but given the scenario with the two of them travelling together (less likely where she's just showing up at a location), is it possible that they have some kind of tryst in Milwaukee? thoughts?

[umngirl]

^The lead and the contestants don't fly on the same plane on these trips was always my understanding. Exceptions like flying as a group from one island to a smaller island are known to happen though.

[albean99]

... Nick is the F1. Period. 

  Mura I wish I had your confidence    

All these clues/spoilers about Josh are driving me  

RS insider information, the plane video, snapchat screenshots, Josh returning from the DR a day after Nick, Josh in Mexico, the Murray family's social media frenzy, the LSU bracelets, the OFF bug spray, Josh singing "Why waste your time you know your gonna be mine"

RS has been wrong before so you never know, Josh in Mexico made me doubt he was f1 because there's no need to go there for a SH visit, Brooks' family also was on SM a lot, I don't buy those are LSU bracelets - purple wristbands are for various diseases such as Alzeimers and a yellow ribbon also can be supporting causes, the OFF bugspray can be either a hint or a foiler, and so on.

I still think it's very likely Josh is the f1 but it's not a sure thing imo.

[soccermom333]

... Nick is the F1. Period. 

  Mura I wish I had your confidence    

All these clues/spoilers about Josh are driving me  

RS insider information, the plane video, snapchat screenshots, Josh returning from the DR a day after Nick, Josh in Mexico, the Murray family's social media frenzy, the LSU bracelets, the OFF bug spray, Josh singing "Why waste your time you know your gonna be mine"

RS has been wrong before so you never know, Josh in Mexico made me doubt he was f1 because there's no need to go there for a SH visit, Brooks' family also was on SM a lot, I don't buy those are LSU bracelets - purple wristbands are for various diseases such as Alzeimers and a yellow ribbon also can be supporting causes, the OFF bugspray can be either a hint or a foiler, and so on.

I still think it's very likely Josh is the f1 but it's not a sure thing imo.

Bean I agree with you.I think the colored ribbons are not LSU bracelets..there are so many causes that he could be wearing them for. the snap chap..tinder.and he isn't really tweeting or posting any IG pic other than quotes..him being spotted in Canun gives me the biggest pause.
Now Nick SM activity seems like he is trying to either give clues he is F1 or it's just his personality being a cocky/joker JMO

But to believe RS 100% Josh is F1 No..I will wait to see the screen caps let's hope they will clear the muddy waters.

I think we are all waiting for screen caps. Funny, I view all the clues pointing to josh as final 1. You have to remember that Andi was also on snap chat, and Andi was MAYBE in Cancun too. Not just because RS said so but because of her tweet. I also see the bracelets as a shout out to Andi and a big clue. The video was the first clue that I saw as being the BIGGEST clue that Nick left as final 2. He was clearly mad, upset, hurt and the way he talked just seemed to mask his insecurities. I believe someone acting arrogant is just a cover up for any insecurities they might be feeling. Andi actually does or did the same thing with Josh.

I also think all this talk of a "foiler" was intriguing at first but now with the video, the Cancun trip, the bracelets, the tweets, the snap chat, no way tptb work that hard. Imo

Just my two cents and yes we need screen caps. It is funny how at this point in the show, and it's happened before, that everyone has their favorite or the one they think will "win," and hard to change teams and see the other's perspective.   

[sdmom]

Credit goes to B2win in the episode thread. About what Nick said in the preview:

VO: I don't care what the other guys think
ITM: I very much mean what I say
VO: She is my only priority. I would lump Dylan, Brian and Chris into
ITM: The same category in the sense that
VO: They don't matter. I could go down the list and I know why they're not as much as a fit as I am
ITM: They'd like to be, they want to be
VO: But listen, I feel like at this point there's me and there's no one else. There's no second, there's no third. If I were in anyone else's shoes here, I would just leave because
ITM: She's going to take me to hometowns.

I don't think Nick is as rude or arrogant as they want us to think. Kasha's point is well taken and now we have proof how manipulative these editors can be to fool the viewers.
My poor Nick !  

[ElonM]

I'm glad he has his family and friends to be there for him  

His edit is so off!

[Ash2214]

^ Right, there were voice overs and then we see him talking in his ITM, but isn't that Nicks voice the whole entire time? With the last VO, he said that and it sounded clear to me nothing was sliced and diced with that. Is it not arrogant to say that there's just him? No second, no third and that everyone else should just leave? There's absolutely editing, but to say that essentially every negative thing Nick says is because of editing is silly, in my opinion of course.

[sdmom]

^ Right, there were voice overs and then we see him talking in his ITM, but isn't that Nicks voice the whole entire time? With the last VO, he said that and it sounded clear to me nothing was sliced and diced with that. Is it not arrogant to say that there's just him? No second, no third and that everyone else should just leave? There's absolutely editing, but to say that essentially every negative thing Nick says is because of editing is silly, in my opinion of course.

He did say such things. I think my point is we have no clue about the context of VO or even when that was taken.

[Ash2214]

^Yes, but considering he mentions Dylan, Brian and Chris' name, one would think it would make sense it was when the group date was going on, not long before it or shortly after, other wise why would he just say those names when those were the only three people that were on the date with him? Or even if it was long after, they were still his words. Regardless, he said "But listen, I feel like at this point there's me and there's no one else. There's no second, there's no third. If I were in anyone else's shoes here, I would just leave" which in my opinion is arrogant and it obviously irked the guys in the house while they were filming.

I just think in my opinion, if we're going to say all of Nick's negative words are due to editing and production, then I guess we could say that for everything all of the other guys say too. I'm not saying Nick is a bad guy - the fact that he's friends with some of the guys now that they're all home shows that but I'm not going to blame editing for every arrogant or rude thing Nick says either.

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