Bachelorette 10: Edit-Storyline - *SPOILERS* - should we bother? Oooohhhh... why not? part 2

Nick/Andi recap from MTA:

Hi. How you doing.  Hi Andi, I’m Nick.
Hi, I’m Andi. I’m a hugger.
And I think back to my first night with Nick and it was just like that immediate kind of connections and attraction, like there was something sincere and modest about him and I don’t know he just stood out to me.
Would you accept this first impression rose?
Abso..absolutely. with pleasure. Thank you so much.
I’m happy to give it you.
I’m like ecstatic.
Are you? Oh…..
I know Nick came into this skeptical, but Nick and I definitely have a lot in common. Like the way we view things. He gets it . He’s very aware of what he wants and I mean it’s very obvious to me that I have a connection with Nick.
I like to think that like I’m going to meet someone and we both say like we don’t want to find anyone else like we want to make it work and cherish that.  To me that’s romantic.
We both want something great and want that like undeniable unconditional love that you can’t even describe.
The things that run through my mind are just insane to me.
You say like the feelings that you feel are insane what does that mean?
Like when I say things like to myself, like, I’m going to marry her.
This is somebody that I see a potential future with and that I want to spend my time with. There is just a ton of passion between us.  It’s once in a lifetime type of stuff.
I’ve never felt someone you know, that connection that it’s like it’s the things you don’t say; it’s what I feel . So, just so you know, I know this is crazy, but I’m going to marry you.
I feel Andi falling in love; it’s not even that I think it, I feel it.  The way we look at each other it’s hard for us to keep our hands off each other.  But at the same time it’s very easy for us to talk about anything.
I love this girl and I see a future and it scares me that I’m so certain of it and it frightens me that I could possibly lose it. But then every step of the way, when she had a chance to reassure me she’s done that.
I do love Andi; a lot
I will never get enough Andi. I just want it to be us.
I love you Andi. Like, I’m really in love with you.
I think Andi’s my other half. I’m definitely going to marry Andi.

bilolo wrote:I can't believe how you do this, it's not easy JBF, great job and thank you for all the editing analysies.

Personally, I think threads like this probably need to be trashed.

Well... not trashed. We all have much too much fun with these. Most of the really creative and well-written posts tend to be on threads like these. Everybody uses their "thinking caps" here. Everybody is more willing to "think outside the box" and try to be objective, instead of simply gloating on how "hot" and "compatible" a favorite contestant is.

What I mean is... we all WANT there to be a "storyline". We all want there to be certain "patterns". All of this winds up as a waste of time because, more often than not, there is no story or pattern. Sometimes, Mike Fleiss simply wants to get the show over with since it is a dud and doesn't give a crap whether any "spoilers" are correct or not. Other times, details are methodically worked out. For example, he was clearly satisfied with Desiree's season and spent more time and energy keeping that outcome a secret.

We like to think there is a "typical final one" who faces an obstacle that must be overcome by the finale and gets all of the lead's "chasing". The "typical final two" is some sort of "hot chemistry and low drama" edit. The "typical final three" is the "lovable" one All Of America falls for... and Chris certainly fits that role unless you are fussing over a decades old DUI tabloid report. Then we have those "drama" edits that can fit anywhere, but rarely final one unless they are Courtney or Vienna.

Yet the reality is that we have a "serious about the process, but not the one" edit. A "favorite of the lead's, but not the one" edit. A "default winner" edit. A "love at first sight" edit (which Josh is not, despite how much his fans want him to be since Andi was quite vocal and skeptical of him in the basketball game, episode #4). More importantly, we have the "just like my old boyfriend/girlfriend" edits and sometimes the lead ends this relationship so (s)he is not making the same mistake and other times (s)he chooses that personality type because of "comfort" reasons. Nothing is ever cookie cutter.

Likewise, we can probably list three types of Bachelors and Bachelorettes, rather than just one.
Type A is really ready to "settle down" and takes the show seriously and methodically. They know exactly what they want and make sure they get it. Probably fewer than five leads in the past have fit that criteria.
Type B is just seeking a "showmance" and some on-TV attention. No point naming names, but if you guess over half of the leads fitting this type, you are probably correct.
Type C goes into this with very high expectations, realizes that the contestants aren't "fitting" and may even start questioning himself/herself and winds up with a different outcome than expected.

Andi is certainly Type C.

In the early episodes, she kept saying... and Chris Harrison kept telling the guys... that she wants a Husband and A Man Of Her Dreams. All too often, F3 Chris is showcased when these lines are spoken and, no, I have absolutely no idea why. Was he the one Fleiss wanted her to choose? Or was he the one Fleiss thought fit her "marriage type" the best and what she really wanted was different? Even more baffling was her "I need to bet on the right horse" line spoken over Chris on his date.

Regardless, you will notice that the majority of "husband" and "man of my dreams" lines are recorded/filmed early in the season rather than later. Probably by lie detector time in Italy, her Final Goal changed. She is much more willing to settle for what Juan and Nikki have, casual dating outside The Bubble rather than rushing into a commitment. Yes, Josh and Nick keep talking about proposing and marriage in many of their PI sessions (i.e. being "100% crazy" and "100% in love" with her), but the fact that Harrison always acts skeptical in his promo narrations indicates that these two may simply be talking themselves into proposing rather than genuinely feeling it. Nothing wrong with that. Being in The Bubble can prompt you to rush into things you are not fully prepared for.  Likewise, Andi is slowly realizing that she may not be quite as ready for marriage herself as she thought. After all, she hasn't ridden a horse in ages and being married requires some saddle training first.

Thanks SueSt. for transcribing these.

What is interesting is less so much "who" appears more F1-ish and more about where Andi's head is at... and where this relationship is headed. I will put my comments in italics here.

Josh/Andi recap from MTA:

The first time I see Josh he’s the last guy out of the limo
... meaning, he was the last guy she would expect a future with, but...

Hi How are you?
You look absolutely gorgeous. Nice to finally meet you, I’m Josh
He’s totally my type. I’m definitely attracted to him. He lives in Atlanta. Nailed it. Pegged it.
... which makes you question why she said her "type" may change this season since her "type" never worked in the past

My mom absolutely loves you. She does. I mean you’re the whole package...
Bad choice of words to edit here. This makes the viewer ask if he is choosing her to please Mom and the family. Note that Mom said her son was "madly" in love with Andi on hometown. "Full package" can be interpreted several ways: Andi is certainly what he is seeking as wife material, but you may have to question if he is being idealistic here.

He just has that dark hair. Those piercing eyes. He’s tall; he’s built. He’s a hunk...
She said the same about Eric and Marcus too.

You know when you haven’t had that feeling about anybody in the past. And you’re like, ok, you like somebody, you like somebody, ok, like everything’s chill, but when I actually like somebody it’s very tough
You’re rambling.
Am I rambling?
Allright, stop it, stop making me nervous now.
Two ways to look at this. They are so infatuated that he is a loss for words. Or maybe this is a sign that communication is a problem with this relationship.

There’s definitely a lot of chemistry between the two of us. To think that I could feel this strongly, like so quickly like also made me think, like, is it too good to be true. I worry about being hurt by him.
This sets the stage for a POTENTIAL break up. That doesn't mean they will. They may in fact get married and live happily ever after. However, she should not be worrying about being hurt by him if they have a strong communication going on... addressing what feelings they are having. On the plus side, Ben F. asked if Courtney was "too good to be true" then decided she was that good. Although it didn't work out, they still stayed a couple for a couple months at least. Also her line of "to think I could feel this strongly... so quickly" may be a good sign and she should just take that Leap Of Faith... cue the jump from the yacht... regardless of what happens in the future.

I always kind of dated the athletes; I’ve always kind of been around that lifestyle; and so you are a struggle with me with that.
I hope you don’t stereotype me with that, like I was a pro baseball player… I’m totally different than that.
I was tough on him because I had this idea of who I thought he was.
This is a good sign. He is NOT like her past boyfriend at least. Yet what does he mean about being "different"?

I know you have you doubts; I won’t let you get nervous but put those fears aside, I’m here for the right purpose. So as we continue on this journey; there’s one thing I want you to know. I’m here for you whole heartedly and I can’t wait to see where this goes.
He makes me feel happy and I feel like very hopeful when I look at him.
hopeful is a good word. He also recognizes she has doubts. Don't like the word "right purpose" though. Reminds me of rival Nick's awful poem in Marseille... "when I see you, I see purpose".

Bonita
Hi.
I’m in love with Andi and I’m excited… that Andi’s definitely going to be my wife.
Ouch! NEVER NEVER NEVER say "definitely"! You can't be that certain of ANYTHING. This makes you wonder if HE changes his mind later because he is rushing into this at full gallop... OR... she dumps him.

Two little southern kids – merci.
At least he is her "Southern Comfort".

She is literally the first person in so long where I actually have butterflies talking to.
Ewwww! Zak W. and Drew talked butterflies a lot. Then again, Chris Siegfried casually mentioned them when he stepped out of the limo too, then never mentioned insects the rest of the season. Hope he gets over his nervousness with her.

And I’ve wanted to tell you … I do love you and I’ve never said that to someone before that I really meant it. The way I feel for Andi.. I’ve never felt that before in my life. Never.
Wow. That is deep. Andi changed his life more than any woman in history.

And I told you the next person I say that to I want to marry and spend the rest of my life with … and I love you and that’s what I want.
Do you mean Andi or the next person AFTER Andi?

I am totally in love with Andi and I am excited; I wish we could just start today and begin the rest of our lives together. It’s so real and the feeling that Andi and I have for each other. I mean it’s a very special thing and I can’t see her having that with anybody else. To find her and make her my wife and have kids together that’s what it’s all about. I waited 29 year to have this feeling and I finally have it and I definitely don’t want to let it go so I’m going to fight for her. She’s the one for me, without a doubt.
Actually the line I like best here is "I'm going to fight for her". You always fight for what you want the most. Go! Josh! Go!


Nick/Andi recap from MTA:

Hi. How you doing.  Hi Andi, I’m Nick.
Hi, I’m Andi. I’m a hugger.
Well... she certainly WANTS him at least in a Teddy Bear sense.

And I think back to my first night with Nick and it was just like that immediate kind of connections and attraction, like there was something sincere and modest about him and I don’t know he just stood out to me.
Don't know? Words can't describe, I guess.

Would you accept this first impression rose?
Abso..absolutely. with pleasure. Thank you so much.
I’m happy to give it you.
I’m like ecstatic.
Are you? Oh…..
I know Nick came into this skeptical, but Nick and I definitely have a lot in common. Like the way we view things. He gets it . He’s very aware of what he wants and I mean it’s very obvious to me that I have a connection with Nick.
She told Bella that she has a great MENTAL connection with Nick. On one level, this may not be good... the head dominating the heart. Yet Andi is hardly the affectionate type anyway. She seems to favor guys who are mentally challenging to her. One red flag: she and Nick are too much alike, like Trista and Russ on her season... getting into arguments because they were both Type A aggressive.

I like to think that like I’m going to meet someone and we both say like we don’t want to find anyone else like we want to make it work and cherish that.  To me that’s romantic.
We both want something great and want that like undeniable unconditional love that you can’t even describe.
... but do you want it with each other or with different partners?

The things that run through my mind are just insane to me.
You say like the feelings that you feel are insane what does that mean?
Like when I say things like to myself, like, I’m going to marry her.
Nick is rambling just like Josh. Just rambling about different things. He says he tells himself that he is going to marry her. Doesn't need a handler to tell him to. He can can brainf*** himself all on his own.

This is somebody that I see a potential future with and that I want to spend my time with. There is just a ton of passion between us.  It’s once in a lifetime type of stuff.
Ugh! What are you talking about? Lifetime "type of stuff"? Don't say "potential" when you talk future. Also how much "time" do you want to spend with him? Five solo dates on the show?

I’ve never felt someone you know, that connection that it’s like it’s the things you don’t say; it’s what I feel . So, just so you know, I know this is crazy, but I’m going to marry you.
Oh no. He didn't say that, did he? Josh simply says "I can’t wait to see where this goes". Yet Andi insisted in the early episodes that she wants a husband, so Nick is going to offer that to her whether she wants it with HIM or not.

I feel Andi falling in love; it’s not even that I think it, I feel it.  The way we look at each other it’s hard for us to keep our hands off each other.  But at the same time it’s very easy for us to talk about anything.
This is interesting. Josh says "I can’t see her having that [special thing we have] with anybody else".

I love this girl and I see a future and it scares me that I’m so certain of it and it frightens me that I could possibly lose it. But then every step of the way, when she had a chance to reassure me she’s done that.
This is interesting. Nick says THIS and Andi says of Josh "To think that I could feel this strongly, like so quickly like also made me think, like, is it too good to be true. I worry about being hurt by him." Now... if she is going to hurt Nick, as the spoilers make you believe, then maybe if Josh DOES hurt her, viewers will feel justified?

I do love Andi; a lot
I will never get enough Andi. I just want it to be us.
I love you Andi. Like, I’m really in love with you.
I think Andi’s my other half. I’m definitely going to marry Andi.
Like Josh, he said The No-No Word. "Definitely". I am now questioning if she winds up with neither guy. Adding to the confusing edit, SHE said in Venice that the guy SHE saw a "definite" future with was... CHRIS! Yup, it has been one of THOSE seasons! Words being recycled all over the place.

thanks for sharing your thoughts, great analysis, JBF.
2 bones to pick:
1. your comment about type A personalities I think more applies to Josh - and their combative interactions. Her conversations with Nick are not what I would describe as combative. Nick seems to be a very good listener and able to reason things out with Andi - her complement, so the speak.
2. your comments about Nick/Andi voicing worries about being hurt are on target... but the real takeaway for me is Nick's statement about Andi reassuring him every step of the way... I think this is key.

I think all three... Andi, Nick and Josh are "type A". Yet I was just going through each line and commenting on what is said.

Actually I had to go back and doublecheck my wording above. I was saying TRISTA and RUSS were "aggressive" and that they were (it was Trista's words) "too much alike". Guess I meant to say that Andi and Nick are... potentially... too much alike, Type A, Type B,Type Z... whatever.

Chris Harrison seems to favor Nick over Josh... and has been a trifle skeptical in his tone of the latter in blogs. No clue why. Funny how all of Nick's past "drama" went "poof" on MTA. It was as if he didn't exist until blooper time.

Nick's persona during vs. after the season is definitely interesting.
Early on in the show Nick seemed to be buddies with Josh; later in the season and post season, not.
He also seemed to rub Chris, Brian and Dylan wrong during season and particularly the last GD... but post show appears to be good friends with them.
yes on CH... if show history can be applied?? (see CH support of Chris vs. Brooks in Des' season) then I would say CH's endorsement of Nick is a strong clue for Nick as F1.

JBF wrote:I think all three... Andi, Nick and Josh are "type A". Yet I was just going through each line and commenting on what is said.

Actually I had to go back and doublecheck my wording above. I was saying TRISTA and RUSS were "aggressive" and that they were (it was Trista's words) "too much alike". Guess I meant to say that Andi and Nick are... potentially... too much alike, Type A, Type B,Type Z... whatever.

Chris Harrison seems to favor Nick over Josh... and has been a trifle skeptical in his tone of the latter in blogs. No clue why. Funny how all of Nick's past "drama" went "poof" on MTA. It was as if he didn't exist until blooper time.

Is it just me or do I feel like this season production seems not as "excited" or overally "enthusiastic" this season. Usually we get "the most dramatic finale" or the "most romantic finale", the vibe I got was more of a "there are some surprises you won't see coming" uhhh OK. It just seems all lack luster to me.

I agree JBF to me it doesn't look like at the end of day, she is going to end up either. Maybe she picks one and they are still together but I am not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling AT ALL. I remember at the beginning of the season CH did an interview (might have been with TVGuide cant remember exactly) and he said something to the effect of that Andi was very analytical and methodical in this process, when asked if he thought she found the one he said something like "I think she might have" it was just a weird response to give for a show where they are supposed to be projecting that true and real love was found.

Last night what struck me was I expected they were going to lay it on thick in the Nick preview, make it really look like she picks him, instead I felt like I was cringing the whole time watching it, constantly saying he was "definitely going to marry her", it was like TPTB were saying "you definitely aren't going to marry her".

And they completely avoided any and all of the Nick drama, he didn't exist like JBF said until the bloopers. I have to watch again as I was just fast-forwarding quickly through the episode, but I thought Andi looked animated during the Nick bloopers and then during Josh's horsey ride blooper her face was very subdued, maybe she was trying to hide her emotions I don't know. But if I saw my fiance doing that on a play horsey I think I would have been cracking up.

It was so weird how they previewed the letter, why wouldn't they play that up in the preview to get the suspense going and get people talking about the finale. I bet you a lot of people didn't even see the credits, it was just so confusing why they wouldn't play that up even if it isn't anything. And when Andi got the letter she looked so sad/PO'd before Chris even said what it was, was that a retake and she already knew what he was giving her, again that scene  and the placement during the credits was so weird to me.

Then with CH comments about the supposed F1 and F2 like this (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Bachelorette-Men-Tell-All-1084682.aspx)

"Josh is simple, comfortable, been-there-done-that and it's easy to fall back into that. Nick is the road less traveled and the road she'd like to be on and aspires to be on, but I'm not sure she can make that call when the pressure is on."

Josh - Been there done that??
Nick - the road she'd like to be and aspires to be on??

What the heck???

Don't know how you do it JBF but I'm glad you share and help interpret their words with us!!!! I found the most intreaguing last night the folded note Chris H gave her while she was getting ready for MTA.  He actually said it was from one of her final 2 guys and recommended she read it.

Why recommend she read something from the F2 guy when she has already made her choice and is supposedly engaged to F1? Why recommend she read a note from F2 and possibly undermine the F1 relationship Andi came away with to promote this show works? Could the note be from her F1 to reassure her even though he is not physically with her that he is thinking of her while she is facing rejected boyfreinds at MTA? Yeah and if so then recommend she read it.  But if from F1 why did he not just give it to her the last time he sees her before MTA?

It makes me think she walks away alone in the end. Perhaps she lets 1 guy go then the other guy tells her he is not ready for marriage they have a fight and she walks away alone, thus Explosive ending. Definitely TPTB  would recommend she read the note because they have been working double hard to convince Nick to approach her to reconsider to possibly have a happy ending for the audience at the AFTFR show. The finale has already been filmed and Chris H said next week was going to be Explosive!!! Maybe the spoilers are correct to a point...she sends Nick home and her F1 was to be Josh. Nick gets on plane home and does infamous video thinking Josh was chosen. Instead of a romantic proposal from Josh there is an Explosion between them and she ends up alone.

Supposedly there was only 1 day difference between day Nick left then Josh left next day.  Usually the final couple spend at least 2-3 days together before returning stateside but only one day after supposed proposal this time, why.... After the finale Andi flies home. TPTB talk Josh into being next bachelor and give him free trip to Cancun to film intro for next Bachelor. Suppose TPTB go after Nick to convince him Andi did not end up with Josh and could possibly give him and their "unconditional and undeniable love" a chance. They film Nick at home and he makes trip to LA shows up during MTA weekend hoping to see her.  He writes her a note and TPTB give it to Andi at MTA and recommend she read it hoping she agrees to meet him after MTA taping that weekend since he is in town. At the AFTFR they show what happened after the finale ...Nick was sincere and in love and couldn't get over her and they show his filmed at home sequence and resulting trip to LA. He had to see her again hoping she would give their love a chance. They reveal he sent note to MTA professing his "Great" love. With Josh they show he has moved on and he realized in the end that he and Andi had a combativeness in the way they tried to resolve issues and she wouldn't quit testing him no matter what so he couldn't propose,it was in Andi's words "too good to be true". Andi's worried edit with Josh all season was real.

At AFTR they bring Andi out to discuss Explosive ending with Chris Harrison of her walking away alone. Josh comes out and explains why he couldn't propose in the end and wishes her only the best. Then they show Nick's video professing he couldn't get over their "Great" love which was filmed with producer after finale and reveal she did meet with him as result of his note at MTA. Their grown up passion was reignighted and they both found "Great" love. Nick is brought out and proposes to Andi asking her to marry him. Josh gets announced as next Bachelor and the footage of him in Cancun is shown as his next season intro........... On BIP Marcus gets engaged per spoilern to LAcy and at the end of that show it is revealed Chris Soules and Katra from farm in Toronto after meeting at MTA are dating. Everyghting tied up with neat little bow.....

Luvstruck wrote:Don't know how you do it JBF but I'm glad you share and help interpret their words with us!!!! I found the most intreaguing last night the folded note Chris H gave her while she was getting ready for MTA.  He actually said it was from one of her final 2 guys and recommended she read it.

Why recommend she read something from the F2 guy when she has already made her choice and is supposedly engaged to F1? Why recommend she read a note from F2 and possibly undermine the F1 relationship Andi came away with to promote this show works? Could the note be from her F1 to reassure her even though he is not physically with her that he is thinking of her while she is facing rejected boyfreinds at MTA? Yeah and if so then recommend she read it.  But if from F1 why did he not just give it to her the last time he sees her before MTA?

It makes me think she walks away alone in the end. Perhaps she lets 1 guy go then the other guy tells her he is not ready for marriage they have a fight and she walks away alone, thus Explosive ending. Definitely TPTB  would recommend she read the note because they have been working double hard to convince Nick to approach her to reconsider to possibly have a happy ending for the audience at the AFTFR show. The finale has already been filmed and Chris H said next week was going to be Explosive!!! Maybe the spoilers are correct to a point...she sends Nick home and her F1 was to be Josh. Nick gets on plane home and does infamous video thinking Josh was chosen. Instead of a romantic proposal from Josh there is an Explosion between them and she ends up alone.

Supposedly there was only 1 day difference between day Nick left then Josh left next day.  Usually the final couple spend at least 2-3 days together before returning stateside but only one day after supposed proposal this time, why.... After the finale Andi flies home. TPTB talk Josh into being next bachelor and give him free trip to Cancun to film intro for next Bachelor. Suppose TPTB go after Nick to convince him Andi did not end up with Josh and could possibly give him and their "unconditional and undeniable love" a chance. They film Nick at home and he makes trip to LA shows up during MTA weekend hoping to see her.  He writes her a note and TPTB give it to Andi at MTA and recommend she read it hoping she agrees to meet him after MTA taping that weekend since he is in town. At the AFTFR they show what happened after the finale ...Nick was sincere and in love and couldn't get over her and they show his filmed at home sequence and resulting trip to LA. He had to see her again hoping she would give their love a chance. They reveal he sent note to MTA professing his "Great" love. With Josh they show he has moved on and he realized in the end that he and Andi had a combativeness in the way they tried to resolve issues and she wouldn't quit testing him no matter what so he couldn't propose,it was in Andi's words "too good to be true". Andi's worried edit with Josh all season was real.

At AFTR they bring Andi out to discuss Explosive ending with Chris Harrison of her walking away alone. Josh comes out and explains why he couldn't propose in the end and wishes her only the best. Then they show Nick's video professing he couldn't get over their "Great" love which was filmed with producer after finale and reveal she did meet with him as result of his note at MTA. Their grown up passion was reignighted and they both found "Great" love. Nick is brought out and proposes to Andi asking her to marry him. Josh gets announced as next Bachelor and the footage of him in Cancun is shown as his next season intro........... On BIP Marcus gets engaged per spoilern to LAcy and at the end of that show it is revealed Chris Soules and Katra from farm in Toronto after meeting at MTA are dating. Everyghting tied up with neat little bow.....

Love your ideas - but she did say that she had met up with her F1 many times. It does look like she might the explosive part could be with Josh - just fed up and tired of being doubted all the time. But how does she get back to Nick ? He knows what she is thinking and feeling - perhaps they felt they needed some time in the real world before a commitment. So she does not end the show with an engagement but all is goign well - and maybe Josh is sending a note to apologize for the FRC.

Wow, some really interesting theories ladies....my brain is really on warp speed these days...   The only issue I would pose is that according to gossip mags, the happy couple is looking to get married very quickly... which does not thoroughly dovetail with what your suggesting CHO...

I need my life back.
I have a job (that suffers ... thank God I am my own boss) but I spend way too much time here.
28th come quickly! Also, ATFR is a week later, right - is it actually filmed live or no?

happygolucky wrote:I need my life back.
I have a job (that suffers ... thank God I am my own boss) but I spend way too much time here.
28th come quickly! Also, ATFR is a week later, right - is it actually filmed live or no?

No finale is the first two hours on the 28th and the AFTER isimmediately following. So all the same night.

OMG ... now I can't wait, ahahaha, crazy. Thank you Di_ATL.