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Post by stuckinsc Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 15:11

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GuardianAngel wrote:Vienna was overconfident as well. Her edit was similar to Courtney. I'm thinking Nick really did believe Andi changed her mind at the last minute, or at least that's how he really felt, because what they are showing the viewers, she was definitely into him. Not only by her actions, always pulling him closer to her etc, but also in her PI's where she indicates how she thought it was a turn on how he went out of his way to pay attention to her.

The lastest clip of them in the ocean is another example of how Nick can easily feel he was her favourite. There's no acting there IMO.

They always show the lead being torn on who to choose because they can see both of the remaining two as husb/wife blah blah blah. In Nick's case, I'm really wondering if she was really torn if he's the F2. Of course we'll hear "you were always the one" to the F1. That line makes the edit every season.

The edit has been interesting this season, I'm sure we'll learn a lot and look back after the FRC is over.

Reading this reminded me, in an interview, post show, (think it was Morning Blend?) Andi said that the difference between JPG season and her season was that as a contestant, she was very unaware of what was happening outside of her relationship with JP.

That said, I can see how Nick, who was encouraged by Andi, gushed repeatedly about his relationship with her, thought that he was a frontrunner. And I say a frontrunner because Nick watched previous seasons, he had to know that there would be a point where the lead connects deeply with multiple people. According to the editing, Josh or Chris never spoke to the others about how their relationship progressed with Andi so how could he really know???

So to me, as far as pre show filming is concerned, I still find Nick very naive. How could you think that the other guys not flaunting their relationship with the lead = that they don't have a rival connection to yours? And I personally don't buy the producer prodding either, I mean, I have a mind of my own, I know that there are other guys that she's connecting with, why would I be naive enough to think I 100% have this in the bag so early on?

I'm still holding out hope that Nick's cutting words on the plane video were just an emotional outlet and grasping at straws to try and make sense as to how this all played out.

Clearly, he was OVERCONFIDENT=ARROGANCE=PRIDE. The bible says" pride is the beginning of a fall", that's exactly what happened. with cocky statements like "how can she end up with Marcus if she is supposed to end up with me?" I don't care what they they think, I will lamp all of them together, they don't matter, they want to be', she is going to take hometown. About Josh " they are terrible together, Andi and I are going to be friends with Josh, and we will go to his brother games with OUR DOG MURRAY" Seriously? He was too full of himself, hence blindsided. He thought he had it in the bag so andi picking someone else in his eyes meant she changed her mind in the last minute.

I am thinking there is a reason they left all those statements, I believe Andi is going to pick up on that arrogant vibe and it's going to raise the same questions she had on episode 5 when she talked to Chris and Cody.

I have not seen an F1 put down others like that, The usual F1 are somewhat confident in what they have with the lead without dismissing the others as not enough, but they are also cautious. like Nikki, Chris S, JP Roseb and even Josh is very cautious.JMO

In this regard, let me point out that one of Andi's self proclaimed bff's is Nikki from JPG's season. Nikki was extremely confident. I even posted the clip of her at JPG's F5 (Sharleen had left) RC, telling Andi that while she (Nikki) didn't have a rose, she had a rose. I love Nikki, I think Nikki is awesome, and because of that I don't think confidence is an issue to Andi. As a matter of fact, I think she likes confidence. Josh has had confidence as well, that she is the one and he won't hurt her. The deleted scene where Nick said all those things pointed out was a joke. The discussion of it was in the Nick discussion thread. Maybe not everyone's taste, but this is the same Andi who tweeted making fun of JPG's Ess Okay during his season. She is sarcastic herself.

I guess my point is that Andi the person doesn't seem to mind overconfidence, arrogance or sarcasm. She is close friends with people with those traits and she herself at least exhibits one of those traits. We sarcastic people tend to like other sarcastic people. It is too much effort being around people who have a hard time taking sarcasm as the joke it is meant to be.
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Post by jen689 Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 15:12

Iam4UGA wrote:The light I see from Nick is not a positive one.. 
Nick lights up my world  PINKHEART him!
From the preview for tonights episode he lights up Andi's world as well  :yes: 
If he didn't Nick would be gone and there would be another guy frolicking with her during the secluded island FD
Regardless of how the season ends I'm a superfan of Nick's for life  :Nod:

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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 15:17

GuardianAngel wrote:Thanks sbolduc for putting that all together! That's a lot of work, and a great recap of the edit for both Josh and Nick. Great job!

 I agree Good job sbolduc! I can really make a case for either guy this season too. Andi should get a bonus check from MF!

Like some others have mentioned, I think Nick was ahead and Andi was reluctant/guarded with Josh. It seems very plausible to me that the fantasy dates were correct and that Josh pulled ahead while in the suite. Josh may have held back in front of the cameras, but was different in a good way behind closed doors. And no, I don't just mean sex, but maybe that too. If he hasn't had sex in 5 years that could have been a very long night, morning, day... The producers probably had to wrestle Josh to the ground to get her out of there. j/k giggling God only knows what she told poor Nick in the ocean if he was going to be her choice at that time. It will be interesting to see how she pulls back on the LCD. Poor Nick will be crushed.

It's surprising that she still describes Nick as intelligent in interviews. TPTB never showed that Josh was as smart and now Andi just keeps that edit going. She really is the opposite of Juan Pablo and I feel like they gave her a pretty nice edit for that.

*I'm thinking/typing like a rational human, but still hoping like a crazy one that the plane video is fake. #teamsalty  Suspect Maybe there's more to come for tricky nicky.

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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 16:13

sbolduc wrote:....
Despite these two potential "game over" moments, Nick still got the typical F1 FS date. I know that there is the argument that because of Josh’s background in baseball that this date had to go to him. I see what you are saying, BUT, they could have done that and then gone to the beach. To me the fact that ONLY one guy got her in a bikini, especially considering knowing how she feels about that, and that one guy was Nick (spoiled F2) means to me it was not game, set and match with Josh. This date gave Nick and Andi a lot more private time together, time without anyone hearing what they are saying, time that Chris nor Josh got at this point.

I am very interested in the last two episodes, and especially with what she says to her parents about both guys, and who gets what LCD.

Cutting a bit but I love your entire post and again how well thought out it is.

One thing on the dates: we do not know everything they did yet. They may have gone to the beach? We know of a lot of past dates where parts have been cut... (JP and Ash canooing comes to mind)

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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 16:20

moved to plane video thread

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Post by SueSt Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 16:25

jen689 wrote:
Iam4UGA wrote:The light I see from Nick is not a positive one.. 
Nick lights up my world  PINKHEART him!
From the preview for tonights episode he lights up Andi's world as well  :yes: 
If he didn't Nick would be gone and there would be another guy frolicking with her during the secluded island FD
Regardless of how the season ends I'm a superfan of Nick's for life  :Nod:

SUPERFAN with you Jen!
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Can't be beat!
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Post by Norcalgal Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 17:50

Nick's hometown had two foreshadowing comments, one from his sister Maria and one from his mom, about being prepared for heartbreak. It's no secret that Nick's my fav, but why put those comments in there if he is F1?


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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 17:52

I noticed that, and the total lack of doubt on the Murray side.
Then again, is there always doubt for F2 and not F1? or the other way around?

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Post by stuckinsc Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 17:54

sophienette wrote:I noticed that, and the total lack of doubt on the Murray side.
Then again, is there always doubt for F2 and not F1? or the other way around?

I have never noticed from families, but Nick has been criticized for his confidence that he is the one. Interesting that we have not heard the same criticism of the Murrays.
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Post by luvlady345 Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 17:55

sophienette wrote:I noticed that, and the total lack of doubt on the Murray side.
Then again, is there always doubt for F2 and not F1? or the other way around?

Majority of the time the F1 expresses some doubt even Courtney did when she said she hoped Ben felt the same way she did..


 

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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 18:03

luvlady345 wrote:
sophienette wrote:I noticed that, and the total lack of doubt on the Murray side.
Then again, is there always doubt for F2 and not F1? or the other way around?

Majority of the time the F1 expresses some doubt even Courtney did when she said she hoped Ben felt the same way she did..

I was specifically referring about the families. I dont think Nick himself has expressed doubt?

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Post by luvlady345 Mon 14 Jul 2014 - 18:05

sophienette wrote:
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sophienette wrote:I noticed that, and the total lack of doubt on the Murray side.
Then again, is there always doubt for F2 and not F1? or the other way around?

Majority of the time the F1 expresses some doubt even Courtney did when she said she hoped Ben felt the same way she did..

I was specifically referring about the families. I dont think Nick himself has expressed doubt?

From what I remembered they just showed them answering Andi's concerns about whether are not Josh can cut the apron strings....


 

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