Re: Josh Murray Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Thread #2

[Piper61]

^It really does seem like he is. And he sure seems happy. Andi too.  I can't wait until the show is done airing so we can hear him talk freely and see him free to say whatever he wants on social media. Hopefully they keep what they need to private, but still give us glimpses from time to time!

I hope their SM will at least be like Ashley and JP's. They are so adorable. And I will be looking forward to their interactions with Aaron as they will undoubtedly follow the KC Chiefs. Momma Murray will keep things interesting and updated, too.   

[Retiredswimmom]

WET PAINT ... SOME OF THE CAPTIONS ARE FUNNY

http://www.wetpaint.com/the-bachelorette/gallery/2014-06-27-spoilers-josh-murray-andi-dorfman-belgium

The caps on BuddyTV are more funnier. JMO
http://www.buddytv.com/slideshows/the-bachelorette/the-bachelorette-week-7-photos-will-josh-confess

[thirteen]

Hello! I'm new here  

I want to share my thoughts with you guys regarding Josh being F1 (excuse me if my grammar isn't the best. It's just that english is not my first language).  :Nod: 

The big clues that made me believe Josh is the last man standing are from his family, Hy and Andi Dorfman. (I just want to say this is my opinion and that in any shape or form I am 100% sure of the outcome.)

1. See, if my son entered this reality show and he came in second (third or fourth) I wouldn't be around facebook like Momma Murray posting a photo of Andi and my son being all cuddly in a yacht knowing that my son will see that photo and feel bad. I know that some of you will say that that is because he'll be the next bachelor but I don't really believe a mom, no matter what, will post a photo of her son's ex simply because he'll be the next Bachelor. I'll post a photo of Josh alone or Josh with the guys and not of the couple saying how cute or adorable they look (that's just hurtful for Josh or anyone in his position).

2. Aaron Murray say in a couple of interviews I read that he is indeed watching the Bachelorette and that is weird seeing his brother so giddy over a woman because he has being single for so long.
Excuse me but having a brother myself I wouldn't have said that to any paper or magazine if I know my brother is hurting for not being engaged to Andi. I would've said: "Yes I'm watching and he is doing amazing." I would've have left out the comment of him being giddy over someone he doesn't longer have.
Another thing is that why he is following Hy, (I know he is a big fan of Aaron and the team.) a person that was his brother's in-law if he no longer was?. Sorry but no sister or brother will do that even if it was a insignificant thing as a follow on twitter.

3. Hy Dorfman still follows Momma Murray. A person who's suppose to be the ex in-law of Andi. Why would a father so protective of his daughter will follow someone who is no longer anything to Andi and to his family? I know that he followed her at the beginning and then he closed his twitter and reopened it when the filming was over but he would've unfollowed her as soon as he reopened so no one could see he was following her and not be a huge spoiler that Nick won. It doesn't matter that he is a big family Murray fan. As an overprotective father he is, he wouldn't still follow her.

4. Did you see that Andi only retweets/ed pics of her and Josh and no other contestant except the one saying: "Retweet if you love @AndiDorfman's gorgeous masquerade gown! #TheBachelorette"? Why will I retweet pics of my first and second date with a man that I did not pick?. I don't think is for distraction of who it's F1 because I'm not even sure she is making that conscious decision. If it was Nick or Chris I'll retweet photos of them or if I want to cause a distraction I'll be retweeting pics of my final 3 instead of just Josh.


That's my take, sorry if it was too long. Thanks to Ash2214 for the post with clues
Hope you have a great day!

P.S. Why will Josh or a member of his family is saying that he won to people that live close to if he didn't? Because that will cause a pretty bad image not only to Josh but to his family that has done nothing to hinder their reputation in their close community.

[Eagle Eye]

Welcome thirteen! It's lovely to have you here and I agree 100% with all your thoughts. I think all the social media clues point directly to one person and one person only: Mr. Josh Murray.

I was reading some of the comments on Sharleen's blog and found this to be interesting (well done, if it was someone from here!):

I think ABC is editing Andi and Josh to make it look like there not a serious connection , she soften up and has a certain way she look at him, that I don't see with the other ! I think this episode was emotional for her because here all the guys saying they are either falling in love or in love and Josh is still on like . She a smart cookie and I hope she follow her heart and finds true happiness ! Thanks you made my night . Great post

Sharleen's response:

Elsa – I agree. I suspect they're downplaying Andi and Josh's connection because it would show too big a discrepancy between theirs and her connection with other guys. (other than Nick, probably) Something about their argument showed an advanced level of comfort between them. Nice observation!

She says she hasn't read any spoilers but I'm not sure if I believe her. She's totally pro-Nick, which is fine, but she wasn't exactly complimentary of Josh in this week's blog, and yet she seems to be backtracking here a little bit. Her original comment implied that Josh and Andi's relationship is completely doomed, but now their argument shows "an advanced level of comfort"? Heheh. I wonder what's behind the change of heart?

[Jolena]

I just watched the season 10 previews and I hear Josh's voice saying " I'm falling in love with you. Humm wonder if he says it right after he tells her he dosen't like seeing her talk to other guys and wants her for himself. I think he's going to make her wait and the ILY will come at the FRC. JMO  :Nod: 

[Alanna]

Welcome thirteen! It's lovely to have you here and I agree 100% with all your thoughts. I think all the social media clues point directly to one person and one person only: Mr. Josh Murray.

I was reading some of the comments on Sharleen's blog and found this to be interesting (well done, if it was someone from here!):

I think ABC is editing Andi and Josh to make it look like there not a serious connection , she soften up and has a certain way she look at him, that I don't see with the other ! I think this episode was emotional for her because here all the guys saying they are either falling in love or in love and Josh is still on like . She a smart cookie and I hope she follow her heart and finds true happiness ! Thanks you made my night . Great post

Sharleen's response:

Elsa – I agree. I suspect they're downplaying Andi and Josh's connection because it would show too big a discrepancy between theirs and her connection with other guys. (other than Nick, probably) Something about their argument showed an advanced level of comfort between them. Nice observation!

She says she hasn't read any spoilers but I'm not sure if I believe her. She's totally pro-Nick, which is fine, but she wasn't exactly complimentary of Josh in this week's blog, and yet she seems to be backtracking here a little bit. Her original comment implied that Josh and Andi's relationship is completely doomed, but now their argument shows "an advanced level of comfort"? Heheh. I wonder what's behind the change of heart?

That is odd, after predicting mutually assured destruction especially. It's true though, so far he's the only one who's been privileged enough to see her pout and b!tch face in one breath and learned to mitigate them. Lucky man!!  He really is the only one who's seen all parts of her personality and he clearly liked what he saw to stick all this out without question for her.

[luvlady345]

   Thirteen a very well thought out post an I concur...

[ThankMeLater]

Welcome Thirteen!  and I totally agree with your findings  

[Guest]

"Elsa – I agree. I suspect they're downplaying Andi and Josh's connection because it would show too big a discrepancy between theirs and her connection with other guys. (other than Nick, probably) Something about their argument showed an advanced level of comfort between them. Nice observation!"

I have a similar opinion regarding the lie detector spat between Andi and Josh--that their relationship is past the "putting my best foot forward" stage and are both comfortable enough to express thoughts and feelings that neither one would be happy to hear!  It speaks a lot about Josh's character and his claim that he never wants to hide anything from Andi, even at the risk of upsetting her.  I don't think Andi's relationships with the other guys are on the same level as that of her and Josh.  The other guys are still gushing over her, trying to woo her with sweet nothings.  Josh appears to take their relationship to the next level:  "Okay, we know we both like each other, let's now work on building our trust in each other because both of us have issues about this."

[docnash14]

"Elsa – I agree. I suspect they're downplaying Andi and Josh's connection because it would show too big a discrepancy between theirs and her connection with other guys. (other than Nick, probably) Something about their argument showed an advanced level of comfort between them. Nice observation!"

I have a similar opinion regarding the lie detector spat between Andi and Josh--that their relationship is past the "putting my best foot forward" stage and are both comfortable enough to express thoughts and feelings that neither one would be happy to hear!  It speaks a lot about Josh's character and his claim that he never wants to hide anything from Andi, even at the risk of upsetting her.  I don't think Andi's relationships with the other guys are on the same level as that of her and Josh.  The other guys are still gushing over her, trying to woo her with sweet nothings.  Josh appears to take their relationship to the next level:  "Okay, we know we both like each other, let's now work on building our trust in each other because both of us have issues about this."

I agree with you, particularly your comments about Josh which is why I so disagree with those who are of the mindset that he acted out with his reaction to the lie detector test. I think he demonstrated his trustworthiness by being candid with Andi in a non-accusatory manner about his perception about the test. I can't give Andi the same credit at least in their initial conversation. I think she became quickly defensive and with her clogged filter mis-interpreted his intent which then scared her (as in "I was right not to trust him, he must have something to hide and that's why he had issues with the test, I am going to get my heart broken" all in one fell swoop). As a consequence, I saw her quickly shut down and then project that on to Josh. Conversely, in their conversation pre-RC, I thought she was much more grounded in reality and with emotional honesty and vulnerability was able to tell him that she had left that first conversation feeling confused and that "he had made her feel bad about what the date was" (not crazy about the wording of that as I think for her own growth it would be more functional if she took responsibility for her own feelings). She added that she one minute she felt that he did trust her and the next that he didn't which made her feel that some times "she can't win." (here too I would hope that Andi learns to empower herself by realizing that her interpretation of the situation is what led to her upset).

What I admire about Andi is that this appears to be the second time with Josh that she seems to have reflected following their conversations (the first time processing and subsequently realizing that she had unconsciously correlated athletes with cheating) and grown from them. I think that illustrates the potential for them as a couple as it's always good news when the individuals in a coupleship grow as individuals as a function of the relationship. As I have mentioned previously, in the book, Conversations with God, "God" states that the purpose of a committed, intimate relationship is to help each other become who you really are.

[SueSt]

"Elsa – I agree. I suspect they're downplaying Andi and Josh's connection because it would show too big a discrepancy between theirs and her connection with other guys. (other than Nick, probably) Something about their argument showed an advanced level of comfort between them. Nice observation!"

I have a similar opinion regarding the lie detector spat between Andi and Josh--that their relationship is past the "putting my best foot forward" stage and are both comfortable enough to express thoughts and feelings that neither one would be happy to hear!  It speaks a lot about Josh's character and his claim that he never wants to hide anything from Andi, even at the risk of upsetting her.  I don't think Andi's relationships with the other guys are on the same level as that of her and Josh.  The other guys are still gushing over her, trying to woo her with sweet nothings.  Josh appears to take their relationship to the next level:  "Okay, we know we both like each other, let's now work on building our trust in each other because both of us have issues about this."

I agree with you, particularly your comments about Josh which is why I so disagree with those who are of the mindset that he acted out with his reaction to the lie detector test.  I think he demonstrated his trustworthiness by being candid with Andi in a non-accusatory manner about his perception about the test.  I can't give Andi the same credit at least in their initial conversation.  I think she became quickly defensive and with her clogged filter mis-interpreted his intent which then scared her (as in "I was right not to trust him, he must have something to hide and that's why he had issues with the test, I am going to get my heart broken" all in one fell swoop).  As a consequence, I saw her quickly shut down and then project that on to Josh.  Conversely, in their conversation pre-RC, I thought she was much more grounded in reality and with emotional honesty and vulnerability was able to tell him that she had left that first conversation feeling confused and that "he had made her feel bad about what the date was" (not crazy about the wording of that as I think for her own growth it would be more functional if she took responsibility for her own feelings).  She added that she one minute she felt that he did trust her and the next that he didn't which made her feel that some times "she can't win." (here too I would hope that Andi learns to empower herself by realizing that her interpretation of the situation is what led to her upset).

What I admire about Andi is that this appears to be the second time with Josh that she seems to have reflected following their conversations  (the first time processing and subsequently realizing that she had unconsciously correlated athletes with cheating) and grown from them.  I think that illustrates the potential for them as a couple as it's always good news when the individuals in a coupleship grow as individuals as a function of the relationship.  As I have mentioned previously, in the book, Conversations with God, "God" states that the purpose of a committed, intimate relationship is to help each other become who you really are.

I love this docnash, thanks....

[soccermom333]

I just watched the season 10 previews and I hear Josh's voice saying " I'm falling in love with you. Humm  wonder if he says it right after he tells her he dosen't like seeing her talk to other guys and wants her for himself.  I think he's going to make her wait and the ILY will come at the FRC. JMO  :Nod: 

I bet you are right.  He might say it at the FS though.  ;)  We need screen caps and more previews!!     

Welcome thirteen! Great post and stick around!   

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