Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 7 - Jun 30/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

sdmom wrote:

Bet2Win wrote:Kasha, you made me curious, so here's the breakdown:

VO:  I don't care what the other guys think
ITM:  I very much mean what I say
VO:  She is my only priority.  I would lump Dylan, Brian and Chris into
ITM: The same category in the sense that
VO:  They don't matter.  I could go down the list and I know why they're not as much as a fit as I am
ITM:  They'd like to be, they want to be
VO:  But listen, I feel like at this point there's me and there's no one else.  There's no second, there's no third.  If I were in anyone else's shoes here, I would just leave because
ITM:  She's going to take me to hometowns.

Bottom line, who knows what is actually said and about whom.  Since most of it was in VO's, he could very well have said that he lumps Dylan, Brian and Chris into the same category as he because she's their only priority as well.  

Thank you so much !!!  The last ITM could very much like " (I wish) she's going to take me to hometowns" but "I wish" is cut. As a Nick fan, it's hard to read all the negative comments. Now as least to me, he is not as arrogant as producers want us to feel. IMO, 100% of course.

I still like Nick as well. The producers are definitely giving him "the arrogant, overly confident pr*ck" edit, and it looks like they have more in store for him next week, considering what they have shown of the previews for the next episode. And it looks like it is all down hill from here on out.

But, never fear, sdmom. I am giving Nick the benefit of the doubt, since tptb don't give a sh*t what they do to any of these guys' reputations, as long as they get the story that they want to tell and can keep the viewers tuned in week after week. Can you imagine what it is going to be like for Nick at the MTA? Even though I don't expect Nick be at the MTA, I still think that he is going to get slaughtered anyway. Even the very same guys who are now his friends will stick to the script and will continue to badmouth Nick at the MTA, because the producers will demand that from them.

cindebugg wrote:There is no way that Andi slept with both Nick and Josh in the FS.  I think that would be a deal breaker for Josh and she knows it.  One or the other IMO.  

Why would Josh ever have to know? I don't have an opinion one way or another, truthfully, she is still dating 2 or 3 guys at that time. If any of them chose to have sex with her it is their own fault if they get made she has sex with anyone else.

Some leads have specifically said they aren't having sex in the FS (though I think Emily lied about this), but if it isn't discussed before hand, what is the big deal?

IMO anyone who sleeps with their F1 F2 or both, are not really there for a long lasting relationship. If you are in love with your F1, why would you want to sleep with your F2 and how do you explain that to the F1. If you're in love with your F1, why wouldn't you wait till you really start to form a relationship outside of filming, what's the rush.  

Maybe I'm naive, and old fashion, but you really don't know that person at that point.  

Longhornfan wrote:

sdmom wrote:

Bet2Win wrote:Kasha, you made me curious, so here's the breakdown:

VO:  I don't care what the other guys think
ITM:  I very much mean what I say
VO:  She is my only priority.  I would lump Dylan, Brian and Chris into
ITM: The same category in the sense that
VO:  They don't matter.  I could go down the list and I know why they're not as much as a fit as I am
ITM:  They'd like to be, they want to be
VO:  But listen, I feel like at this point there's me and there's no one else.  There's no second, there's no third.  If I were in anyone else's shoes here, I would just leave because
ITM:  She's going to take me to hometowns.

Bottom line, who knows what is actually said and about whom.  Since most of it was in VO's, he could very well have said that he lumps Dylan, Brian and Chris into the same category as he because she's their only priority as well.  

Thank you so much !!!  The last ITM could very much like " (I wish) she's going to take me to hometowns" but "I wish" is cut. As a Nick fan, it's hard to read all the negative comments. Now as least to me, he is not as arrogant as producers want us to feel. IMO, 100% of course.

I still like Nick as well.  The producers are definitely giving him "the arrogant, overly confident pr*ck" edit, and it looks like they have more in store for him next week, considering what they have shown of the previews for the next episode.  And it looks like it is all down hill from here on out.

But, never fear, sdmom.  I am giving Nick the benefit of the doubt, since tptb don't give a sh*t what they do to any of these guys' reputations, as long as they get the story that they want to tell and can keep the viewers tuned in week after week.  Can you imagine what it is going to be like for Nick at the MTA?  Even though I don't expect Nick be at the MTA, I still think that he is going to get slaughtered anyway.  Even the very same guys who are now his friends will stick to the script and will continue to badmouth Nick at the MTA, because the producers will demand that from them.

I would like to add that there are 2 different ITM's in the preview. The first one starts off with Nick in an orange shirt; then the next shot of the ITM, he has on a gray shirt.

GuardianAngel wrote:IMO anyone who sleeps with their F1 F2 or both, are not really there for a long lasting relationship. If you are in love with your F1, why would you want to sleep with your F2 and how do you explain that to the F1. If you're in love with your F1, why wouldn't you wait till you really start to form a relationship outside of filming, what's the rush.  

Maybe I'm naive, and old fashion, but you really don't know that person at that point.  

I don't disagree. I just think is she has sex with one why is it a big deal if she has sex with both? I think waiting is a good idea either way. Charlie and Sean both did and one got married and the other had a long relationship after the show.

I just don't think we can assume Andi would have made choices because of Josh. Some might think that this is their last chance to sleep with a guy who isn't their hubby, so why not.

stuckinsc wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:IMO anyone who sleeps with their F1 F2 or both, are not really there for a long lasting relationship. If you are in love with your F1, why would you want to sleep with your F2 and how do you explain that to the F1. If you're in love with your F1, why wouldn't you wait till you really start to form a relationship outside of filming, what's the rush.  

Maybe I'm naive, and old fashion, but you really don't know that person at that point.  

I don't disagree.  I just think is she has sex with one why is it a big deal if she has sex with both?  I think waiting is a good idea either way.  Charlie and Sean both did and one got married and the other had a long relationship after the show.

I just don't think we can assume Andi would have made choices because of Josh.  Some might think that this is their last chance to sleep with a guy who isn't their hubby, so why not.

I will just say that ITA! Her decision, she's an intelligent woman who's aware of the process ...

Sorry, late to the party again, but wanted to comment on a few things..

nd4reality wrote:Yesterday at 6:08 am

   Max64 wrote:Do we typically get photos of dates like this?  I remember there were several photos out with Emily's date with Arie, but did we get any from Des' season?


I don't remember.

I think - No. They are trying to push the love story out.

The producers know that Josh and Nick are the spoiled F2...why not keep the illusion happening?  Then RS and others won't question things till there is a surprise ending.

Max64 wrote:Yesterday at 6:37 am
I wonder if we'll get any from Marcus' date? Maybe it's just me but it seems as if everything is Josh and Nick when we still have 6 guys left.

Yep, they want everyone to keep thinking that Josh and Nick is all  this season is about then......BAMM, someone else takes the win!

Catdwoman50 wrote:Yesterday at 9:11 am
Off topic, who has been the narrator this season? Is there a prominent one?

nd4reality Yesterday at 9:23 am

   Catdwoman50 wrote:Off topic, who has been the narrator this season?  Is there a prominent one?


IMO first it was Patrick who did a lot of narration. Seems like Chris has taken over.
from what I noticed. Pretty sure others will say different.

To me, that means that either Chris will be the F1 or Bachelor next time around.

Alanna wrote:Yesterday at 11:27 am

   ironcat wrote:I agree, Alanna.  Josh was too "irresistible" to pass up for Andi, even if it doesn't end up working out.  I think she really tried to "feel it" with Nick, loved his personality and felt the emotional connection, and maybe if Josh hadn't been in the cast, she would have been able to get past the fact that she isn't (IMO) all that physically attracted to him.  Granted, his personality is winning her over, and if she was able to continue dating both in the real world, she may have ultimately come to the conclusion that Nick was a better fit, but I think she realized that within the given time frame, the combination of lust for Josh's looks and the convenience of him being right in her backyard was too enticing to walk away from without at least giving it a try IMO.  And I bet Daddy's reaction when he finally meets him will just seal the deal.



Exactly, something tells me we're not only going to see a kinder, softer, more loving Andi with Josh but also Daddy laugh out loud I'm excited to see what Josh says to them about Andi and his intentions, you know he's been role playing this in his head forever, long before he even knew who Andi was.

I don't think she'd pick Josh just for her daddy...On something else, the body language with Brooks was off the charts last season as many have said....look where that got him.
I don't take body language to mean the all to end all.  There is a lot more than that and if the two of them don't have the rest, it won't work.  Right now, there is NOTHING deep about Josh at all.  Especially compared to the other 5 guys.

Jolena wrote:Yesterday at 12:17 pm

   nannymargie wrote:

       estahafa wrote:

           Sarah_XV wrote:Yes we got these last week.
           http://www.buddytv.com/slideshows/the-bachelorette/the-bachelorette-week-6-photos-love-in-the-streets-of-venice-60553.aspx


       It will be interesting to compare these pictures side by side with those from Andi and Josh's 2nd 1-1 date.  We might see the difference in Andi's face with each guy and the body language.


   The body language in these pics are way off.  There are 3 pictures of them kissing and Nick has his arms to his side.  The body language with Josh is sooooo different.


Her Body language , her smile, her ( can't keep her hands off of him), is enough proof for me. Plus if josh wasen't the F1 then he would have been gone by now or at very least F3 because TPTB would DEF be wanting to groom him for the next bachelor   WITHOUT A DOUBT!! Smiley

I am sorry, but how do we KNOW(just going by RS?) he doesn't leave at F3?  The body language in a couple can sometimes mean crap...if the rest of the stuff needed to form a good relationship isn't there, then body language means nothing.  I see nothing deep in Josh yet.
People kept going on about the off the charts body language between Des and Brooks...well we all know how that turned out.

Aunties_Love wrote:
I don't think she'd pick Josh just for her daddy...On something else, the body language with Brooks was off the charts last season as many have said....look where that got him.
I don't take body language to mean the all to end all.  There is a lot more than that and if the two of them don't have the rest, it won't work.  Right now, there is NOTHING deep about Josh at all.  Especially compared to the other 5 guys.

I am sorry, but how do we KNOW(just going by RS?) he doesn't leave at F3?  The body language in a couple can sometimes mean crap...if the rest of the stuff needed to form a good relationship isn't there, then body language means nothing.  I see nothing deep in Josh yet.
People kept going on about the off the charts body language between Des and Brooks...well we all know how that turned out.

Just have to comment on the bolded. First, I always thought Des had great body language with Chris and Brooks. I thought her heart wanted Brooks and her mind and body were telling her it was Chris. None of us really knows if Brooks had not chosen to leave if Chris and Des would be together. I happen to think she would have chosen Brooks, others think she would have chosen Chris. We will never know.

For body language, I think Andi is actually feeding of the body language of the guys. That being said, she does lean back a lot when she isn't into the guy. Chris is actually the guy she has had the least interaction shown with in the F4, so I will reserve judgement on that until later.

As for Josh not being shown as deep, who has been shown as deep to this point? I don't think any of them have been shown to be particularly deep on the show yet. The love letters as we heard them weren't all that deep. Marcus is fairly non-existent when he is not professing his love or kissing her. Brian is the guy who can only kiss but not talk. Dylan is sad guy. Nick is cocky guy. Josh is the guy you can't trust. Where is there any deep in there anywhere?

I find both Josh and Nick interesting from how I have gotten to know them through their social media. I think Brian is a sweetheart, again from his social media. Still don't know Dylan, Marcus or Chris that well, as they don't use social media all that much.

Bet2Win wrote:

sophienette wrote:Bet2Win, would you be able to do the same on the quick Josh/Andi drama in the preview? I.e. words we see out of their mouth or not?

Have the link handy?

Est I can do is my preview post... (the part 1 video 2nd vid on the page) last 7 seconds

http://sophienettejc.thedeadone.net/2014/06/24/the-bachelorette-2014-episode-07-preview-waffle-or-sprout/

stuckinsc wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:
I don't think she'd pick Josh just for her daddy...On something else, the body language with Brooks was off the charts last season as many have said....look where that got him.
I don't take body language to mean the all to end all.  There is a lot more than that and if the two of them don't have the rest, it won't work.  Right now, there is NOTHING deep about Josh at all.  Especially compared to the other 5 guys.

I am sorry, but how do we KNOW(just going by RS?) he doesn't leave at F3?  The body language in a couple can sometimes mean crap...if the rest of the stuff needed to form a good relationship isn't there, then body language means nothing.  I see nothing deep in Josh yet.
People kept going on about the off the charts body language between Des and Brooks...well we all know how that turned out.

Just have to comment on the bolded.  First, I always thought Des had great body language with Chris and Brooks.  I thought her heart wanted Brooks and her mind and body were telling her it was Chris. None of us really knows if Brooks had not chosen to leave if Chris and Des would be together.  I happen to think she would have chosen Brooks, others think she would have chosen Chris.  We will never know.

For body language, I think Andi is actually feeding of the body language of the guys.  That being said, she does lean back a lot when she isn't into the guy.  Chris is actually the guy she has had the least interaction shown with in the F4, so I will reserve judgement on that until later.

As for Josh not being shown as deep, who has been shown as deep to this point?  I don't think any of them have been shown to be particularly deep on the show yet.  The love letters as we heard them weren't all that deep.  Marcus is fairly non-existent when he is not professing his love or kissing her.  Brian is the guy who can only kiss but not talk.  Dylan is sad guy.  Nick is cocky guy.  Josh is the guy you can't trust.  Where is there any deep in there anywhere?

I find both Josh and Nick interesting from how I have gotten to know them through their social media.  I think Brian is a sweetheart, again from his social media.  Still don't know Dylan, Marcus or Chris that well, as they don't use social media all that much.

I see BL with Nick and Josh. Still, to aunties point it takes more than attraction to make things work. The only one I see an emotional connection with is Nick. Andi and Nick have conversations that indicate that they are really in tune with each other. They both seem very bright and would crave an intellectual connection beyond just the physical. The way they talked through their issues on the Venice date was really something special (like I could learn a thing or two.) :-) Very considerate, thoughtful, articulate and kind. I definitely see their connection, and probably deeper than I have seen it in a bach couple maybe ever. Their connection is NOT just physical, its emotional, spiritual, chemical. By the by, Brian is also the guy who can lead a team to a basketball championship!! :-)

SueSt wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:
I don't think she'd pick Josh just for her daddy...On something else, the body language with Brooks was off the charts last season as many have said....look where that got him.
I don't take body language to mean the all to end all.  There is a lot more than that and if the two of them don't have the rest, it won't work.  Right now, there is NOTHING deep about Josh at all.  Especially compared to the other 5 guys.

I am sorry, but how do we KNOW(just going by RS?) he doesn't leave at F3?  The body language in a couple can sometimes mean crap...if the rest of the stuff needed to form a good relationship isn't there, then body language means nothing.  I see nothing deep in Josh yet.
People kept going on about the off the charts body language between Des and Brooks...well we all know how that turned out.

Just have to comment on the bolded.  First, I always thought Des had great body language with Chris and Brooks.  I thought her heart wanted Brooks and her mind and body were telling her it was Chris. None of us really knows if Brooks had not chosen to leave if Chris and Des would be together.  I happen to think she would have chosen Brooks, others think she would have chosen Chris.  We will never know.

For body language, I think Andi is actually feeding of the body language of the guys.  That being said, she does lean back a lot when she isn't into the guy.  Chris is actually the guy she has had the least interaction shown with in the F4, so I will reserve judgement on that until later.

As for Josh not being shown as deep, who has been shown as deep to this point?  I don't think any of them have been shown to be particularly deep on the show yet.  The love letters as we heard them weren't all that deep.  Marcus is fairly non-existent when he is not professing his love or kissing her.  Brian is the guy who can only kiss but not talk.  Dylan is sad guy.  Nick is cocky guy.  Josh is the guy you can't trust.  Where is there any deep in there anywhere?

I find both Josh and Nick interesting from how I have gotten to know them through their social media.  I think Brian is a sweetheart, again from his social media.  Still don't know Dylan, Marcus or Chris that well, as they don't use social media all that much.

I see BL with Nick and Josh.  Still, to aunties point it takes more than attraction to make things work.  The only one I see an emotional connection with is Nick.  Andi and Nick have conversations that indicate that they are really in tune with each other.  They both seem very bright and would crave an intellectual connection beyond just the physical.  The way they talked through their issues on the Venice date was really something special (like I could learn a thing or two.)  :-) Very considerate, thoughtful, articulate and kind.  I definitely see their connection, and probably deeper than I have seen it in a bach couple maybe ever.  Their connection is NOT just physical, its emotional, spiritual, chemical.  By the by, Brian is also the guy who can lead a team to a basketball championship!!  :-)

I will say that I have also seen her have deep conversations with Chris. I know he's not as popular of a choice here on this board, but in twitterland and other social media...he's one of the best choices for HER. I just hope we get a chance to see more of them...think there is something the producers are hiding and that's why we haven't really seen much of them together.

Aunties_Love wrote:

SueSt wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:
I don't think she'd pick Josh just for her daddy...On something else, the body language with Brooks was off the charts last season as many have said....look where that got him.
I don't take body language to mean the all to end all.  There is a lot more than that and if the two of them don't have the rest, it won't work.  Right now, there is NOTHING deep about Josh at all.  Especially compared to the other 5 guys.

I am sorry, but how do we KNOW(just going by RS?) he doesn't leave at F3?  The body language in a couple can sometimes mean crap...if the rest of the stuff needed to form a good relationship isn't there, then body language means nothing.  I see nothing deep in Josh yet.
People kept going on about the off the charts body language between Des and Brooks...well we all know how that turned out.

Just have to comment on the bolded.  First, I always thought Des had great body language with Chris and Brooks.  I thought her heart wanted Brooks and her mind and body were telling her it was Chris. None of us really knows if Brooks had not chosen to leave if Chris and Des would be together.  I happen to think she would have chosen Brooks, others think she would have chosen Chris.  We will never know.

For body language, I think Andi is actually feeding of the body language of the guys.  That being said, she does lean back a lot when she isn't into the guy.  Chris is actually the guy she has had the least interaction shown with in the F4, so I will reserve judgement on that until later.

As for Josh not being shown as deep, who has been shown as deep to this point?  I don't think any of them have been shown to be particularly deep on the show yet.  The love letters as we heard them weren't all that deep.  Marcus is fairly non-existent when he is not professing his love or kissing her.  Brian is the guy who can only kiss but not talk.  Dylan is sad guy.  Nick is cocky guy.  Josh is the guy you can't trust.  Where is there any deep in there anywhere?

I find both Josh and Nick interesting from how I have gotten to know them through their social media.  I think Brian is a sweetheart, again from his social media.  Still don't know Dylan, Marcus or Chris that well, as they don't use social media all that much.

I see BL with Nick and Josh.  Still, to aunties point it takes more than attraction to make things work.  The only one I see an emotional connection with is Nick.  Andi and Nick have conversations that indicate that they are really in tune with each other.  They both seem very bright and would crave an intellectual connection beyond just the physical.  The way they talked through their issues on the Venice date was really something special (like I could learn a thing or two.)  :-) Very considerate, thoughtful, articulate and kind.  I definitely see their connection, and probably deeper than I have seen it in a bach couple maybe ever.  Their connection is NOT just physical, its emotional, spiritual, chemical.  By the by, Brian is also the guy who can lead a team to a basketball championship!!  :-)

I will say that I have also seen her have deep conversations with Chris.  I know he's not as popular of a choice here on this board, but in twitterland and other social media...he's one of the best choices for HER.  I just hope we get a chance to see more of them...think there is something the producers are hiding and that's why we haven't really seen much of them together.

I have watched this whole season and I didn't find her conversations with Chris any deeper than her conversations with Nick or Dylan. Are they showing only shallow conversations with Josh about cheating and trust? Yup, because that is his edit. I bet if we saw they whole conversations they have discussed much more than just that.