Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 6 - Jun 23/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

sophienette wrote:

ag54 wrote:Don't post much (love reading though), but I wanted to tell y'all what my husband thought, who does NOT watch the bachelor. I made him watch because we spent our honeymoon in Venice, so thought he would enjoy the travel porn.  His take:  He thought Nick was creepy - notices how shifty his eyes were when he was professing his "love" to Andy. Said, "he's bull sh*tting her totally, no guy says that crap." He thought the lie detector test was ridiculous and cringe worthy and that he would be pissed in that situation. His opinion on the guys on that date, his favorite was Dylan (maybe he sympathized due to the AWFUL questions asked and answered), second - he really liked Brian, said he seems the most genuine, but got a total friend vibe, no love from Andy, had no opinion of Chris at that time, but liked the way he handled JJ regarding the rose issue, said JJ was a complete dweeb and should be gone, thought Josh was not ready for a relationship, but then said he thought Josh was the most like Andy, which could be bad or good.  He felt sorry for Cody and said, "Who would subject them self to this sh*t show."  (Verbatim quote and quite true, LOL).  At show end, he said that he thinks they are editing to make it look like there is more drama going on than in real life.  He actually liked Andy, thought she was smart and feisty, but when I asked him if he thought she is pretty, he said, "Yeah in an across the tracks kind of way." Ha.  I guess he doesn't like the side boob look either.  Ok that's it - from a man's perspective.

LOVE THIS!!!

I need to get my hubby to watch!

ironcat wrote:What I saw was Josh taking the idea of the lie detector test a little more personally than the other guys because he was the only one who had already been "grilled" by Andi (and even told that she suspects his "type" will cheat on her), and he thought they had gotten past all that on their 1 on 1, only to have the subject "rear its ugly head" once again. So I got why he reacted the way he did. And yeah, I actually think that the producers made sure that Josh would be on this date specifically to feed into Andi's fears about him. It was also interesting that one of the other guys mentioned that the one that really should have been on the date was Nick, since he's the one who is thought of as the least trustworthy by the other guys. Hmmm....

That really sets up the drama and dynamic for the rest of the season, which is clearly Josh vs. Nick for Andi's heart, with everyone else just filler, IMO. I think it's a no brainer why Chris and Marcus get HTDs instead of the other two: she still has the hots for Marcus, and Chris seems the most mature and most capable of dealing with rejection graciously (plus the producers probably did see him at that point as a better candidate for the next lead than the rest).

When I hear criticism of Andi for being such a brat or a bitch in how she's dealing with any of these guys and comments about how her reaction isn't "normal", well, no, it's not because dating on TB isn't normal. Her reactions are over the top and her emotions are excessive because she is being poked and prodded to achieve just that reaction. Would she handle dating a guy she really liked back in Atlanta the same way she is handling Josh? I doubt it. And while I have no clue if they will last in the real world, I don't think their current "feud" is proof that they won't. Deanna/Jesse and Jake/Vienna had no big arguments on the show that I remember, but did anyone think those relationships were solid? Anyway I'm sure by HTDs, Andi and Josh will have worked it all out, and he'll probably say ILY on the FDs. It's obvious that's what she's waiting for.

I still like Nick, but I just think he's one of those guys who is used to aggressively going after what he wants without worrying about being a "team player" or stepping on others' toes in order to get it. That's probably why he is so successful in his business dealings, but since this isn't a business setting, that attitude isn't flying with the other guys. Since he already had a rose, there really was no need to grab Andi away at the very moment she came through the door, even if the producers suggested it. Doesn't make him a bad person or equate to some huge character flaw, but it is part of who he is, and I don't think it can all be blamed on the editing. The fact that the other guys are all friends with him now just means that they're out of the bubble, no longer "in love" with, or "in competition" for Andi, and don't really care anymore about whatever happened. I know this is a sexist comment  :hidingchair , but I really don't think guys hold grudges about stuff like that the way some women do.

I didn't think Chris got such a bad edit. I'm curious what the reaction has been in SM about him, and whether the average viewer is Team Chris or Team Nick regarding their comments. It reminds me a little bit about the Jake/Wes situation on Jillian's season (hate comparing sweet Chris to fake Jake, however) where many fans thought Jake was just protecting Jill against the "villain", and it also ended up clinching him the next lead role. Maybe that's the way the producers are looking at it also?

Kashathediva wrote:

sophienette wrote:

ag54 wrote:Don't post much (love reading though), but I wanted to tell y'all what my husband thought, who does NOT watch the bachelor. I made him watch because we spent our honeymoon in Venice, so thought he would enjoy the travel porn.  His take:  He thought Nick was creepy - notices how shifty his eyes were when he was professing his "love" to Andy. Said, "he's bull sh*tting her totally, no guy says that crap." He thought the lie detector test was ridiculous and cringe worthy and that he would be pissed in that situation. His opinion on the guys on that date, his favorite was Dylan (maybe he sympathized due to the AWFUL questions asked and answered), second - he really liked Brian, said he seems the most genuine, but got a total friend vibe, no love from Andy, had no opinion of Chris at that time, but liked the way he handled JJ regarding the rose issue, said JJ was a complete dweeb and should be gone, thought Josh was not ready for a relationship, but then said he thought Josh was the most like Andy, which could be bad or good.  He felt sorry for Cody and said, "Who would subject them self to this sh*t show."  (Verbatim quote and quite true, LOL).  At show end, he said that he thinks they are editing to make it look like there is more drama going on than in real life.  He actually liked Andy, thought she was smart and feisty, but when I asked him if he thought she is pretty, he said, "Yeah in an across the tracks kind of way." Ha.  I guess he doesn't like the side boob look either.  Ok that's it - from a man's perspective.

LOVE THIS!!!

I need to get my hubby to watch!

I firmly believe during Nick's dinner date he was glancing over to the side a lot looking at the producer holding the cue cards. I'm being serious.    
The splice/dice, re-takes, cue card nonsense takes a lot away from what is actually going down and this is with all the TB cast, not just this instance. 

Is anyone really surprised that Nick goes to Meandi's hotel room? Someone does this tactic almost every season--that or running through the streets looking for the main, or the infamous up against the wall kiss, or a hundred other formulaic things that have become regular go to's for the show. 
This season's letter writing is enuff to get me to take out the emot with the gun to my head.   pretend the finger's a gun.

ironcat wrote:Honestly, they should never allow these people to have a conversation about the word "like", because with the number of like times they like use the word like in like a sentence, I like can't figure out like what the heck they're like talking about.  Like.   

ironcat wrote:Honestly, they should never allow these people to have a conversation about the word "like", because with the number of like times they like use the word like in like a sentence, I like can't figure out like what the heck they're like talking about.  Like.   

GuardianAngel wrote:I have no favourites. I see Josh, from epi 1 as wanting to win this competition. If all the guys had to take a lie detector test, why is Josh questioning whether Andi trust's him or not. He wasn't the only one that had to take the test. If someone questions an issue regarding trust, if you are totally innocent, then you have nothing to worry about. If you're defensive, then you're possibly hiding something. Maybe that's just what my own personal reaction would be.

He is the only one that got the suit of armour shot though! I can't remember what the question was, maybe it was, "are you here for the right reasons"? music, suit of armour shot. Maybe someone who has the ability to re watch that part can let me know.

As far as Nick taking Andi for alone time first, this happens all the time. Even though he had a rose, I say go for it. Whether it's man code or not, he obviously didn't care. Josh whined he wanted to take her aside too, so why didn't he? He had the same opportunity, as did everyone else.

ironcat wrote:Honestly, they should never allow these people to have a conversation about the word "like", because with the number of like times they like use the word like in like a sentence, I like can't figure out like what the heck they're like talking about.  Like.   

GuardianAngel wrote:I have no favourites. I see Josh, from epi 1 as wanting to win this competition. If all the guys had to take a lie detector test, why is Josh questioning whether Andi trust's him or not. He wasn't the only one that had to take the test. If someone questions an issue regarding trust, if you are totally innocent, then you have nothing to worry about. If you're defensive, then you're possibly hiding something. Maybe that's just what my own personal reaction would be.

He is the only one that got the suit of armour shot though! I can't remember what the question was, maybe it was, "are you here for the right reasons"? music, suit of armour shot. Maybe someone who has the ability to re watch that part can let me know.

As far as Nick taking Andi for alone time first, this happens all the time. Even though he had a rose, I say go for it. Whether it's man code or not, he obviously didn't care. Josh whined he wanted to take her aside too, so why didn't he? He had the same opportunity, as did everyone else.

ag54 wrote:

ironcat wrote:Honestly, they should never allow these people to have a conversation about the word "like", because with the number of like times they like use the word like in like a sentence, I like can't figure out like what the heck they're like talking about.  Like.   

Haha, funny you said this, my husband mentioned this too. It is simile abuse!

Forgot to add his opinion of Marcus - he said he is too slick, seems like a player.  I told him he is from Dallas, and he said, "No wonder."  haha - Houston bias....