Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #2

[sdmom]

Maybe. But I think Marquel went out of his way to defend Nick when he wrote this:
5 hours ago
Loved the experience, but what I miss most of all were the relationships I built with the guys that will live forever. One in particular is my brother @nick_viall28. One of the most genuine guys I've ever met. Light always shines brotha, don't change.

[ElonM]

[FLChica]

He is manipulative and it rubbed me and the guys the wrong way. It is easy to become friends later when they are all rejected and not competing and also not in the same city.

And it's easy to band together to bring down a common enemy...in this case Nick.

[SueSt]

He is manipulative and it rubbed me and the guys the wrong way.  It is easy to become friends later when they are all rejected and not competing and also not in the same city.

And it's easy to band together to bring down a common enemy...in this case Nick.  

especially with likely prodding from the producers...
To ILoveCase - how is Nick manipulative??

[jcrbil]

He is manipulative and it rubbed me and the guys the wrong way.  It is easy to become friends later when they are all rejected and not competing and also not in the same city.

And it's easy to band together to bring down a common enemy...in this case Nick.  

especially with likely prodding from the producers...
To ILoveCase - how is Nick manipulative??

To be fair, Nick has given tptb plenty to work with. I do think he's a victim of production in some ways- he came in knowing a lot and strategizing- so the producers' response was "strategize THIS"- and he's now reaping the "benefit(?)" of it- a LOT of screen time. The guys actually are accusing him of gaming- to get screen time, not to get Andi (I know he says his priority is Andi, but we'll see). TPTB are finding plenty of smarmy faces of his to show. Someone has said that if you don't show it they can't use it.

But when you put some of the statements made tonight up against his phone conversation from the airplane, they do match up a bit- not the words, but the attitude.

[stuckinsc]

He is manipulative and it rubbed me and the guys the wrong way.  It is easy to become friends later when they are all rejected and not competing and also not in the same city.

Hi ILC, love your avi. I had the same one until a few months ago. I am UT Chemistry Class of 1994, wow I am getting old.

I appreciate your opinion of Nick. I think he has actually be up front with his thoughts and actions and I appreciate it. He may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I like that he showed his was and didn't try to hide himself.

I have said he reminds me of Nikki and JPG, now the Jandi fans don't agree with me, but that is the way I see. I remember being angry that JP was abusive and going to hit Ashley because of his actions in episode 7. The hate for JP made me mad and the hate for Nick is annoying me too, but we are all entitled to our opinions.

[nd4reality]

The other guys did not know about the other special touches that Nick had used during his journey like the Flowers, the Private date etc. They would been even sure of his strategizing if they knew that and the fact that he slipped out on them. .

[Bet2Win]

Interesting, in the clip of deleted scenes, the guys first start out talking about Nick and how he likes to talk about the dates; then when they start talking about strategizing to get into the F4, they use the word "they", instead of "him". So, who were they really talking about?

[nutty1]

I guess this belongs here….I know a while back, some were thinking that Marcus may leave on his own. But being we have the F4 lineup, I guess that is not the case.

[stuckinsc]

ElonM, I love your avi, but this made my eyes bleed. Elan should never have his head between anyone's legs ever!

[Kashathediva]

ElonM, I love your avi, but this made my eyes bleed.  Elan should never have his head between anyone's legs ever!

That is truly a "bleachable" moment.  

[Rolly]

I guess this belongs here….I know a while back, some were thinking that Marcus may leave on his own. But being we have the F4 lineup, I guess that is not the case.

Is it possible he is not F4?

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