*NO SPOILERS* The Bachelorette 10 - Episode Discussion

And, I can't stop thinking about Eric.  If the ridiculous sit down was shown instead of the RC out of respect, they could have, at the very least, shown some footage or pics of him.

Per Eric, i think he sensed Andi was not into him but keeping him there to make up numbers which she had to do. He was intuitive and called her out on it which she didnt like. She thought she was managing it well and didnt like that someone sussed her out so she went on the attack. Its a difficult situation to sring people along when you know the 3 or 4 that you genuinely are interested in. She should have been more understanding with JPG. If she liked him, all she needed to do was reassure him cos that was what he was asking for. Karma......

see2love wrote:Per Eric, i think he sensed Andi was not into him but keeping him there to make up numbers which she had to do. He was intuitive and called her out on it which she didnt like. She thought she was managing it well and didnt like that someone sussed her out so she went on the attack. Its a difficult situation to sring people along when you know the 3 or 4 that you genuinely are interested in. She should have been more understanding with JPG. If she liked him, all she needed to do was reassure him cos that was what he was asking for. Karma......

Stringing people along when you know the 3 or 4 that you are genuinely are interested in....kind of like acting. Eric just called her out on it, they all do it. Why couldn't she just admit that's what the show calls for to a certain extent and just agreed with him. He was just saying he liked her so much more when she was being genuine and not acting...just being honest with her. Isn't that what she said she wanted???

Rolly wrote:

see2love wrote:Per Eric, i think he sensed Andi was not into him but keeping him there to make up numbers which she had to do. He was intuitive and called her out on it which she didnt like. She thought she was managing it well and didnt like that someone sussed her out so she went on the attack. Its a difficult situation to sring people along when you know the 3 or 4 that you genuinely are interested in. She should have been more understanding with JPG. If she liked him, all she needed to do was reassure him cos that was what he was asking for. Karma......

Stringing people along when you know the 3 or 4 that you are genuinely are interested in....kind of like acting. Eric just called her out on it, they all do it. Why couldn't she just admit that's what the show calls for to a certain extent and just agreed with him. He was just saying he liked her so much more when she was being genuine and not acting...just being honest with her. Isn't that what she said she wanted???

Yes, I agree with what you are saying Rolly but I can't imagine that the producers would have allowed her to say on TV that she had to bring guys along to keep the numbers up.

I really chalk it up to Andi being super TIRED more than anything else and Eric expecting the format to be more of a true-to-life documentary vs. manufactured reality experience. I also think that Eric mis-read her feelings for him. She probably did like him quite a bit as he got the first date but it appears that he didn't hold onto that lead contender spot in her heart for long. If Eric had been a top 4 guy for her, I think she would have reacted differently ... or acted differently. She seems comfortable and easy going with her favorites.

alwaystulips wrote:
I agree with a F4 of Marcus, Brian, Josh and Nick, but not sure the order yet.  Although Chris could sneak in there.  I think TPTB would like to show Chris's farm.  She does seem to be chasing Nick.  She kept saying something about "making him a believer" and he talked about believing in this.  I guess she finally gets a 1-1 with Josh in episode 5 and that should tell a lot, too.

One of the things that threw me off last night was, did Marcus actually say "I'm falling in love with you".    Wow -- that's usually heard at FS dates or the earliest at HTDs.  It's only been 2 weeks since they came to the house.  Could he peak too soon? 

Thanks Sprite for the letter info.  Obviously, Marcus didn't write the letter cause he's already declared his luuuuuurve.  Doesn't seem a Joshy thing to do -- he'd take credit and never sign it secret admirer.  Nick's already written her a signed note.  Maybe Chris or Brian?  Or weirdly, could it be Cody?  He seems more shy than I thought.  I can't really get a handle on how they are going to play him yet but I think he likes Andi a lot and is going to be hurt.

A miming group date?  Oh boy, that's going to be silly.  JJ's perfect for that.

Just to add my two cents to Tulip's post ...

There is something about Nick that she really likes as well. He's got a quiet confidence about him and while he was initially nervous around her; I don't think that was due to a lack of confidence on his part. I saw on Sophienette's site that he works for Salesforce.com which is a solid company so he probably does well. I also saw that he was a collegiate level track & field runner at University of Wisconsin so he's athlete, which she seems to like. And, he's from a really large family, which I think is always a good thing ... forced to share/get along. I guess for all these reasons I am CURRENTLY rooting for Nick for F1. I don't see him being a candidate for next Bachelor nor can I see him going on Bachelor in Paradise so it's either Andi picks him or he's back to selling CRM systems in Chicago ... but with plenty of gals chasing him.

On the flip side is Josh, whom she clearly likes a lot. I am also anxious to see their date because right now he's MY least favorite of her favorites. I just can get a sincerity read on him yet as he seems to be bursting with confidence and seems very extroverted. I can 100 percent see Josh being next Bachelor or transitioning to Bachelor in Paradise if not F1. I need to get to know him better before I call him as true F1. Andi clearly is very comfortable with him at this point BUT she also calls him on his comments about being nervous around her, etc. So ... I think she's a good judge of character and will be able to figure out if his feelings are genuine or if he just wants to stick around until at least F2.

Marcus ... gosh, he was my initial night 1 pick for F1 but I just don't know anymore. I think he's too young for Bachelor but perfect for Bachelor in Paradise as the gals would go wild for him. I THINK he's genuine and caring but I also agree with you that he could be peaking way too soon ... either that or is not genuine at all. Who the heck starts hinting at love this early on??? He also mentioned love at first site as well.

Brian ... can't wait for next ep 5 as it APPEARS he finally gets a date!!!! I want to see more of him. He's not Bachelor material but Bachelor in Paradise for sure. Too sweet last night with his comment about having NO game and not being able to read cues.

Also, excellent points about LETTER ... I hadn't thought that Nick already signed a card. You're right that it could be Farmer Chris but I also think it could be Josh as he had plenty of time post basketball loss to write that letter as he had not had time to see her. It would then make sense that he gets the 1-on-1 date to further discuss??? MAYBE JJ as he also was part of losing team.

I maybe not giving him enough credit but I can't imagine Cody would write letter and Brian was already on his BB high and busy that night.

Can't believe we have TWO weeks to wait for more.

MVMom39forever wrote:

alwaystulips wrote:
I agree with a F4 of Marcus, Brian, Josh and Nick, but not sure the order yet.  Although Chris could sneak in there.  I think TPTB would like to show Chris's farm.  She does seem to be chasing Nick.  She kept saying something about "making him a believer" and he talked about believing in this.  I guess she finally gets a 1-1 with Josh in episode 5 and that should tell a lot, too.

One of the things that threw me off last night was, did Marcus actually say "I'm falling in love with you".    Wow -- that's usually heard at FS dates or the earliest at HTDs.  It's only been 2 weeks since they came to the house.  Could he peak too soon? 

Thanks Sprite for the letter info.  Obviously, Marcus didn't write the letter cause he's already declared his luuuuuurve.  Doesn't seem a Joshy thing to do -- he'd take credit and never sign it secret admirer.  Nick's already written her a signed note.  Maybe Chris or Brian?  Or weirdly, could it be Cody?  He seems more shy than I thought.  I can't really get a handle on how they are going to play him yet but I think he likes Andi a lot and is going to be hurt.

A miming group date?  Oh boy, that's going to be silly.  JJ's perfect for that.

Just to add my two cents to Tulip's post ...

There is something about Nick that she really likes as well. He's got a quiet confidence about him and while he was initially nervous around her; I don't think that was due to a lack of confidence on his part. I saw on Sophienette's site that he works for Salesforce.com which is a solid company so he probably does well. I also saw that he was a collegiate level track & field runner at University of Wisconsin so he's athlete, which she seems to like. And, he's from a really large family, which I think is always a good thing ... forced to share/get along. I guess for all these reasons I am CURRENTLY rooting for Nick for F1. I don't see him being a candidate for next Bachelor nor can I see him going on Bachelor in Paradise so it's either Andi picks him or he's back to selling CRM systems in Chicago ... but with plenty of gals chasing him.

On the flip side is Josh, whom she clearly likes a lot. I am also anxious to see their date because right now he's MY least favorite of her favorites. I just can get a sincerity read on him yet as he seems to be bursting with confidence and seems very extroverted.  I can 100 percent see Josh being next Bachelor or transitioning to Bachelor in Paradise if not F1. I need to get to know him better before I call him as true F1. Andi clearly is very comfortable with him at this point BUT she also calls him on his comments about being nervous around her, etc. So ... I think she's a good judge of character and will be able to figure out if his feelings are genuine or if he just wants to stick around until at least F2.

Marcus ... gosh, he was my initial night 1 pick for F1 but I just don't know anymore. I think he's too young for Bachelor but perfect for Bachelor in Paradise as the gals would go wild for him. I THINK he's genuine and caring but I also agree with you that he could be peaking way too soon ... either that or is not genuine at all. Who the heck starts hinting at love this early on??? He also mentioned love at first site as well.

Brian ... can't wait for next ep 5 as it APPEARS he finally gets a date!!!! I want to see more of him. He's not Bachelor material but Bachelor in Paradise for sure. Too sweet last night with his comment about having NO game and not being able to read cues.

Also, excellent points about LETTER ... I hadn't thought that Nick already signed a card. You're right that it could be Farmer Chris but I also think it could be Josh as he had plenty of time post basketball loss to write that letter as he had not had time to see her. It would then make sense that he gets the 1-on-1 date to further discuss??? MAYBE JJ as he also was part of losing team.

I maybe not giving him enough credit but I can't imagine Cody would write letter and Brian was already on his BB high and busy that night.

Can't believe we have TWO weeks to wait for more.  

OMG, MV that was right out of the Doug (Emily's season) handbook!     He's adorable!  Can't wait for their date!!

Oh, does the letter writer need to be on the losing team?  Good point -- I didn't get that.  Who was on the losing team?  JJ, Chris, Tasos (def not him since he's gone), Josh and Patrick?  Hmmm, could be Josh but it seems more Chris or JJ behavior - sweet and shy.  Patrick -- I've yet to see him show interest in her, but who knows?

Just wanted to say even though I am spoiled, this is my favourite topic to read, love hearing unspoiled thoughts, gives a great perspective!

Keep it up

sbolduc wrote:Just wanted to say even though I am spoiled, this is my favourite topic to read, love hearing unspoiled thoughts, gives a great perspective!

Keep it up

Me too!!! You peeps have no idea how refreshing it is to read non spoiled posters opinions! When reading spoiled posts, I'm sleuthing while reading. I'm absorbing all the info and try to put pieces together from other posts, my brain is constantly thinking. But here, I don't do any of that, I read and enjoy the different angle that you are all watching from. Please don't stop!   

Did anyone notice when Andi told the guys about the letter and said something like "I gotta find out who wrote it"; the camera panned the guys and it looked like Josh mouthed  "me" or "I did", not sure-- I didn't have my glasses on ! Anyway, I'd be interested in other people's thoughts on his reaction. TIA!

LibbyBell wrote:Did anyone notice when Andi told the guys about the letter and said something like "I gotta find out who wrote it"; the camera panned the guys and it looked like Josh mouthed  "me" or "I did", not sure-- I didn't have my glasses on ! Anyway, I'd be interested in other people's thoughts on his reaction. TIA!

I did notice that the camera panned to Josh but could not make out what he said.

MVMom39forever wrote:

alwaystulips wrote:
I agree with a F4 of Marcus, Brian, Josh and Nick, but not sure the order yet.  Although Chris could sneak in there.  I think TPTB would like to show Chris's farm.  She does seem to be chasing Nick.  She kept saying something about "making him a believer" and he talked about believing in this.  I guess she finally gets a 1-1 with Josh in episode 5 and that should tell a lot, too.

One of the things that threw me off last night was, did Marcus actually say "I'm falling in love with you".    Wow -- that's usually heard at FS dates or the earliest at HTDs.  It's only been 2 weeks since they came to the house.  Could he peak too soon? 

Thanks Sprite for the letter info.  Obviously, Marcus didn't write the letter cause he's already declared his luuuuuurve.  Doesn't seem a Joshy thing to do -- he'd take credit and never sign it secret admirer.  Nick's already written her a signed note.  Maybe Chris or Brian?  Or weirdly, could it be Cody?  He seems more shy than I thought.  I can't really get a handle on how they are going to play him yet but I think he likes Andi a lot and is going to be hurt.

A miming group date?  Oh boy, that's going to be silly.  JJ's perfect for that.

Just to add my two cents to Tulip's post ...

There is something about Nick that she really likes as well. He's got a quiet confidence about him and while he was initially nervous around her; I don't think that was due to a lack of confidence on his part. I saw on Sophienette's site that he works for Salesforce.com which is a solid company so he probably does well. I also saw that he was a collegiate level track & field runner at University of Wisconsin so he's athlete, which she seems to like. And, he's from a really large family, which I think is always a good thing ... forced to share/get along. I guess for all these reasons I am CURRENTLY rooting for Nick for F1. I don't see him being a candidate for next Bachelor nor can I see him going on Bachelor in Paradise so it's either Andi picks him or he's back to selling CRM systems in Chicago ... but with plenty of gals chasing him.

On the flip side is Josh, whom she clearly likes a lot. I am also anxious to see their date because right now he's MY least favorite of her favorites. I just can get a sincerity read on him yet as he seems to be bursting with confidence and seems very extroverted.  I can 100 percent see Josh being next Bachelor or transitioning to Bachelor in Paradise if not F1. I need to get to know him better before I call him as true F1. Andi clearly is very comfortable with him at this point BUT she also calls him on his comments about being nervous around her, etc. So ... I think she's a good judge of character and will be able to figure out if his feelings are genuine or if he just wants to stick around until at least F2.

Marcus ... gosh, he was my initial night 1 pick for F1 but I just don't know anymore. I think he's too young for Bachelor but perfect for Bachelor in Paradise as the gals would go wild for him. I THINK he's genuine and caring but I also agree with you that he could be peaking way too soon ... either that or is not genuine at all. Who the heck starts hinting at love this early on??? He also mentioned love at first site as well.

Brian ... can't wait for next ep 5 as it APPEARS he finally gets a date!!!! I want to see more of him. He's not Bachelor material but Bachelor in Paradise for sure. Too sweet last night with his comment about having NO game and not being able to read cues.

Also, excellent points about LETTER ... I hadn't thought that Nick already signed a card. You're right that it could be Farmer Chris but I also think it could be Josh as he had plenty of time post basketball loss to write that letter as he had not had time to see her. It would then make sense that he gets the 1-on-1 date to further discuss??? MAYBE JJ as he also was part of losing team.

I maybe not giving him enough credit but I can't imagine Cody would write letter and Brian was already on his BB high and busy that night.

Can't believe we have TWO weeks to wait for more.  

MVMOM!!   

I'm loving your thoughts! We're most of the time the same page except for Josh.   

Before Episode 3, my F1 bets were a toss between Marcus and Josh. And Marcus as my F1 peg! I felt frustrated watching Marcus on Episode 3. He did look "desperate". I was looking forward to his one on one date but it fell short compared to Nick's one on one :(I know it's just me but i thought Andi was not as enthusiastic as she was previously. She was sorta pulling back.    Yeah, it's just me. I'd probably change my mind again about him in the future episodes!   

After watching Episode 3 & 4, Nick V shot right up as my F1! I love it that he approached this process realistically. A wait and see if he'll click with Andi, admitting he has a crush on her during Episode 3  :P (Unlike Marcus who's already in love! haha) At Episode 4, Andi said of Nick, "I feel he sees me, he sees every part of me. It's very powerful. " Then Nick V said "I 100% met someone who i could spend the rest of my life with. I wake up and i think about Andi. I like to think she feels exactly the same way..." Suhweeettt! i like how it's a slow build. So, yeah, MVMom! Highfives on Nick V as F1! However, I'm (needlessly) worrying that Nick would be the one to make her cry in the future episodes. That she would be Andi's "Frank", "Bentley" and "Brooks". You know, the "no fairytale" in future episodes. I do hope not!

Then, Josh!    I've said like MVMom that he's too "next Bachelor" for me. BUT, i'm super loving their banter! It's like they know each other for many years now. Their body language is amazing especially when Andi pinched his cheek! How cute was that! I find him funny and the guys seem to like him. Yeah, totally The Next Bachelor Package, right? Well, if he is not F1 then he should be (if not, please let it be Brian!) Aside from their obvious comfortability and chemistry, I think Andi would choose him because he's also from Atlanta. She does not need to move, right? haha I've been wondering why TPTB is showing Josh and Andi's combustible chemistry so much, that only means he is not F1, right? I've a theory. TPTB is not hiding the love story of Josh and Andi because of the anticipation of the Eric backlash. Perhaps, in the hopes that the fans would eventually "forget" episode 4 because of the love story/ies haha THAT is, IF Nick V is not F1.   

hmmm the bachelors are pulling a Jeremiah of Sweet Home Alabama!   Also, i agree that it is Josh who wrote the letter!

eta:

check out NO Discussion at the Screen Cap Section! I think it's Chris!

it was Auntie's Love's Screen Caps!

Aunties_Love wrote:What do you all think:

And Litta's handwriting analysis!

Litta123 wrote: