*NO SPOILERS* The Bachelorette 10 - Episode Discussion

Maggenzm wrote:

Peppermom wrote:

alwaystulips wrote:I do think TPTB want to use the trust angle with Josh.  Yet, to me, Andi was confused and upset on the GD more because he's the only 1 of her top guys who hasn't said the "Love" word.  But, he's the most affectionate with her.  By a mile.  That's confusing.

Actually kind of glad he hasn't said it, yet.  (at least on camera)  It backs up what he said a couple of weeks ago about only wanting to say that to the woman he's going to marry.  Waiting to say it is what will "prove" his sincerity.  I do sort of cringe that 3 or 4 guys have already said it. Seems pretty hollow.  

I didn't watch JPG's season, so I'm not sure about tie-ins with his season.  But, I agree.  Even though I think he's F1, I would love Josh as TB!

I forgot he said that.  I think she is the type that wants to hear the guy has fallen for her before she admits she has fallen.  She has been cheated on before and isn't going to let that happen again.  She wants to be sure the guy loves her.  That is why she is okay with the fact that Marcus said it so early.  She is confident that if she falls for him, it will be reciprocated and she has no fear of being turned down.  I think the same with Chris and that is why she was pushing Nick for how he feels and got him to say he was falling for her.  I don't believe he is though.  But Josh won't say it and has told her he won't say it until he is sure it is the woman he wants to marry.  I think she has fallen hard for him and is in turmoil because she can't be sure he is 100% falling for her.  She said he is her type.  I'll bet her type has been one that has strung her along.  She has an instant physical connection and equates that to being in love and that is what she has with Josh.  But she can't be sure if he is falling in love with her or using her for what he can get.  If he won't tell her then her "fairytale" won't come true.  I'm guessing this was left in to create drama and to "seal the deal" if he says it at FD or LCD.  

I think she is afraid that he might walk after HMT like she did with JPG and become the bachelor. Karma  ... you know  she wants him to say ILY so much that she going nutts...She just needs to relax and enjoy this hunk of a man, but you know, Pookie is very impatient..

In the last preview she was standing all dressed up and looking up and she says will he break my heart? She loves Josh and is still not sure if he loves her. I see fireworks when he does say it.

nannymargie wrote:

Maggenzm wrote:

Peppermom wrote:

I forgot he said that.  I think she is the type that wants to hear the guy has fallen for her before she admits she has fallen.  She has been cheated on before and isn't going to let that happen again.  She wants to be sure the guy loves her.  That is why she is okay with the fact that Marcus said it so early.  She is confident that if she falls for him, it will be reciprocated and she has no fear of being turned down.  I think the same with Chris and that is why she was pushing Nick for how he feels and got him to say he was falling for her.  I don't believe he is though.  But Josh won't say it and has told her he won't say it until he is sure it is the woman he wants to marry.  I think she has fallen hard for him and is in turmoil because she can't be sure he is 100% falling for her.  She said he is her type.  I'll bet her type has been one that has strung her along.  She has an instant physical connection and equates that to being in love and that is what she has with Josh.  But she can't be sure if he is falling in love with her or using her for what he can get.  If he won't tell her then her "fairytale" won't come true.  I'm guessing this was left in to create drama and to "seal the deal" if he says it at FD or LCD.  

I think she is afraid that he might walk after HMT like she did with JPG and become the bachelor. Karma  ... you know  she wants him to say ILY so much that she going nutts...She just needs to relax and enjoy this hunk of a man, but you know, Pookie is very impatient..

In the last preview she was standing all dressed up and looking up and she says will he break my heart?  She loves Josh and is still not sure if he loves her.  I see fireworks when he does say it.

Do you think he will make her wait till FRC? I don't know if she is strong enough to believe in him if he doesn't.

Peppermom wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

Maggenzm wrote:

I think she is afraid that he might walk after HMT like she did with JPG and become the bachelor. Karma  ... you know  she wants him to say ILY so much that she going nutts...She just needs to relax and enjoy this hunk of a man, but you know, Pookie is very impatient..

In the last preview she was standing all dressed up and looking up and she says will he break my heart?  She loves Josh and is still not sure if he loves her.  I see fireworks when he does say it.

Do you think he will make her wait till FRC?  I don't know if she is strong enough to believe in him if he doesn't.

If he makes it to the FD maybe he'll give her strong reassurance that will make her take the leap of faith ?

I have questions, why don't they show Andi complimentary (gushing) of Josh ?
What do you think of the edit the remaining guys are getting ?
Who do you think is getting the final 1 (if there's one) edit taking past seasons as reference ?
Who do you want as final 1 and who do you think will be final 1 or no one ?
Do you think Chris revealing he's the secret admirer will have an impact ?

I listened to the preview again and she makes a comment about when "he" kisses her, she knows what he is feeling. Maybe that is about Josh.

Lost17 wrote:Libby I'm sorry!    I re-watched yet again, my one tv is darker than the other, had watched it on my other and it came across not as fuzzy in the back, that's why I thought it was different, but it's clearly the same sweater! Different earrings though. Told you guys I'm not the best sleuther, that's why I don't usually do any of that and leave it to all you experts.  

I am trying to figure out what the exact question is here.  Is there a question about if she is still talking to Josh when she says "what just happened"?  

Pepper, in an earlier post, Lost said that Andi had on a different top and earrings than she had on when she had her date with Josh so she might not have been speaking to him when she said that. After discussion, she said that now she could see that it was the same top and earrings.

ETA-- I agree that when she says "when we kiss, I can tell what he's thinking" is Andi talking about knowing Josh loves her but he just hasn't said it yet. I'm torn as to when he'll say it.

Bilobo, I have to run and don't have time to answer all your questions but I'll try to answer them this afternoon.

bilolo wrote:

Peppermom wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

In the last preview she was standing all dressed up and looking up and she says will he break my heart?  She loves Josh and is still not sure if he loves her.  I see fireworks when he does say it.

Do you think he will make her wait till FRC?  I don't know if she is strong enough to believe in him if he doesn't.

If he makes it to the FD maybe he'll give her strong reassurance that will make her take the leap of faith ?

I have questions, why don't they show Andi complimentary (gushing) of Josh ?
What do you think of the edit the remaining guys are getting ?
Who do you think is getting the final 1 (if there's one) edit taking past seasons as reference ?
Who do you want as final 1 and who do you think will be final 1 or no one ?
Do you think Chris revealing he's the secret admirer will have an impact ?

I'll try with what I think Bilobo  :WAVEY: 
I think it is hard for them to hid the connection with Josh and if Andi were shown gushing over Josh, no one would buy that someone else could be F1. I'm still not sure if she will pick him based on her history with men. She may decide to go against her type and make a safe pick.

I think Chris is getting the friend F4 edit. She knows he is a great guy and does like him but I don't see any passion with them. I think if there was a questions about who she is taking to F4, Chris being the secret admirer clinched it for him.

I think Josh is getting the F1 edit and they are showing the "conflict" they have with trust being what they have to overcome. That said, for some reason I am a bit torn with her obvious interest in Nick. I don't see the heat between them and I have to say I find him to be somewhat insincere. And she seems to really like kissing Marcus and doesn't seem to mind the fact that he told her he was falling in love with her so early. So I am thinking that Nick will be F2 and Marcus F3.

I haven't given much thought to a no pick. As of right now, I am going with Josh as F1. I am looking forward to this week's episode. I want to watch the body language with Josh and Nick. I think the BL with Nick is off and if that continues then there is no blocking Josh as F1 (except if I have Marcus all wrong) Which with me is highly possible.  

Are you spoiled Bilobo? If not, will you share your thoughts too?

Peppermom wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

Maggenzm wrote:

I think she is afraid that he might walk after HMT like she did with JPG and become the bachelor. Karma  ... you know  she wants him to say ILY so much that she going nutts...She just needs to relax and enjoy this hunk of a man, but you know, Pookie is very impatient..

In the last preview she was standing all dressed up and looking up and she says will he break my heart?  She loves Josh and is still not sure if he loves her.  I see fireworks when he does say it.

Do you think he will make her wait till FRC?  I don't know if she is strong enough to believe in him if he doesn't.

  that's my concern. But, one thing I noticed, Pookie is a smart cookie. In addition, she has CH for encouragement. I think CH is pretty good in getting the lead to stay focus on the bid picture.

Great thoughts, Peppermom. I agree with you on a lot, and I am seriously wondering about Marcus right now, too!

bilolo wrote: ...
I have questions, why don't they show Andi complimentary (gushing) of Josh ?
What do you think of the edit the remaining guys are getting ?
Who do you think is getting the final 1 (if there's one) edit taking past seasons as reference ?
Who do you want as final 1 and who do you think will be final 1 or no one ?
Do you think Chris revealing he's the secret admirer will have an impact ?

bilolo, some of the edits are confusing me right now. Maybe it's because I think her F6 seem like all great guys.

1. why don't they show Andi complimentary (gushing) of Josh ?

She's gushing in her BL with Josh, so if she gushed in her ITMs about him, it might be way too obvious that he's the F1.

2. What do you think of the edit the remaining guys are getting ?

Brian: Pretty one-dimensional edit. I hated to see Andi's ITM of the wilted asparagus. I knew he was filler at that point.

Chris: I think TPTB want Chris to be the next Sean, so they are editing him as romantic, shy and easy going with a heart of gold. Hence, the secret admirer letters. Last week they tried to counteract with the tough, take charge, fiery guy act when he called out Nick. I didn't really buy that. Most confusing is where is the love story? I see Andi enjoying the attention Chris gives her, but not really the affection.

Dylan: Also one-dimensional edit. He started as the nice guy with an incredibly tragic story. But last episode, they threw him under the bus (washing hands, 20+ partners). When they aired that, it was pretty clear he was leaving soon.

Josh: Pretty straight forward edit about honesty. The only objection is whether and when he will say ILY. The fact that he will wait, unlike every other guy still there, proves his love is true. It's a producer's dream edit that they are downplaying a lot. Unless some bombshell comes out, he looks clearly F1.

Nick: Also confusing. Opposite of Chris, Andi loves Nick's affection. Loves it. I think he's really falling for her even though his BL is strange sometimes. But, the way they are editing his relationship with the guys makes him so unappealing as the F1. The last four F1s were liked by the other guys -- Roberto, JP, Chris. Even Jef. Nick is getting sort of a sneaky, insincere guy edit.

Marcus: Interesting edit! I still don't know much about him, other than he loves Andi and loves kissing her. I could buy him as F1 given how hidden he's been (e.g. Catherine, Chris S) and his physical chemistry with Andi. This week's date will say a lot, I think.

Who do you think is getting the final 1 (if there's one) edit taking past seasons as reference ?
Two answers:
1. Josh: Roberto. Maybe it's the baseball comparison, but I see Josh as the handsome ex-jock who's sweet and totally in love with Andi the way Roberto was with Ali. Ali couldn't trust that Roberto loved her, the same way Andi can't yet trust Josh loves her. (Hopefully, Andi-Josh turns out better.)

2. Nick: Courtney. F1 who uses producer-driven tactics to get close to the one they love. Doesn't seem to care what their fellow contestants thinks. (Hopefully, Andi-Nick turns out better.)

Who do you want as final 1 and who do you think will be final 1 or no one ?
I don't really have a preference for who Andi chooses. Honestly, I think they are all great guys. I think it will be Josh, which I have mixed feelings about, because he would make a great Bach.

Do you think Chris revealing he's the secret admirer will have an impact ?:
No. Unless she was trying to decide whether to take Brian or Chris to HTD and that put it over the top. I think Chris was a shoe-in for HTD, though. Because farm.

Peppermom wrote:

bilolo wrote:

Peppermom wrote:

Do you think he will make her wait till FRC?  I don't know if she is strong enough to believe in him if he doesn't.

If he makes it to the FD maybe he'll give her strong reassurance that will make her take the leap of faith ?

I have questions, why don't they show Andi complimentary (gushing) of Josh ?
What do you think of the edit the remaining guys are getting ?
Who do you think is getting the final 1 (if there's one) edit taking past seasons as reference ?
Who do you want as final 1 and who do you think will be final 1 or no one ?
Do you think Chris revealing he's the secret admirer will have an impact ?

I'll try with what I think Bilobo  :WAVEY: 
I think it is hard for them to hid the connection with Josh and if Andi were shown gushing over Josh, no one would buy that someone else could be F1.  I'm still not sure if she will pick him based on her history with men.  She may decide to go against her type and make a safe pick.

I think Chris is getting the friend F4 edit.  She knows he is a great guy and does like him but I don't see any passion with them.  I think if there was a questions about who she is taking to F4, Chris being the secret admirer clinched it for him.

I think Josh is getting the F1 edit and they are showing the "conflict" they have with trust being what they have to overcome.  That said, for some reason I am a bit torn with her obvious interest in Nick.  I don't see the heat between them and I have to say I find him to be somewhat insincere. And she seems to really like kissing Marcus and doesn't seem to mind the fact that he told her he was falling in love with her so early.  So I am thinking that Nick will be F2 and Marcus F3.

I haven't given much thought to a no pick.  As of right now, I am going with Josh as F1.  I am looking forward to this week's episode.  I want to watch the body language with Josh and Nick.  I think the BL with Nick is off and if that continues then there is no blocking Josh as F1 (except if I have Marcus all wrong)  Which with me is highly possible.  

Are you spoiled Bilobo?  If not, will you share your thoughts too?

  

Thanks for your answers guys, i was trying to give you some discussions because it's so hard when you don't have enough material to discuss.
I'm spoiled but when i'm in this thread i act like i'm unspoiled, so that i won't influence you. LOL

Thanks for the questions, bilolo! I appreciate that you aren't trying to influence us   

alwaystulips wrote:Thanks for the questions, bilolo!  I appreciate that you aren't trying to influence us    

My pleasure, i enjoy reading your unspoiled thoughts, it's so refreshing.
Keep them coming guys
I hope they give us a long preview for the rest of the season so that you can sleuth here.