Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion

[sdmom]

I'm only posting and reading this Nick fan thread for a bit so I don't know if this has been posted yet.

@ jayloni_martin Loved the experience, but what I miss most of all were the relationships I built with the guys that will live forever. One in particular is my brother @nick_viall28. One of the most genuine guys I've ever met. Light always shines brotha, don't change. #rideformyboys#realrecognizereal #knowthembeforeujudgethem
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@ jayloni_martin is really Marquel.

Yes. This says so much about Marquel and Nick   

[nutty1]

  

I have reasons:
- several of the guys who questioned his intentions in the clips and scenes we have seen yesterday, today or even earlier came to his defence (twitter: Dylan, Brian and not involved Nick V & JJ   IG: Marquel). These are all great men so if they are sending a strong positive message about Nick in the real world then he is in real life their caliber of people.
- this man would make a wonderful lover; in turn gentle yet not hesitant to get a wee bit forceful (salty & sweet all in one package).  He is sensual and attentive in the moment.
- he freely shares his thoughts and emotions even when she doesn't reciprocate.  In this way, he's not that guy who keeps track.
- he stands his ground without leaving an argument in angry.  Over and over again at the end of it all, he concludes calmly.  He doesn't yell, throw accusations back at them about their behaviour, or walk out before the argument is done.  He sticks with it until some sort if resolution occurs.
- he's very intelligent and inquisitive. He was the only guy who talked about the beauty of the architecture in any detail.  Love a man who sees culture as more than food, drink, and physical activities.
- he's not afraid to cry.  Didn't wipe away his tears or stop talking.  Just sees it as a normal emotion.
- he understands that relationships take time to build and require effort.  He not only says this, he does this. He is a man of his word - no false proclamations.

All these things far outweigh his flaws and I think away from group dates and guys talking about their dates with the same girl, Nick would be even more calm and caring.  The guys who supported him on SM on Monday describe him as genuine.  That is a huge compliment and one each of the guys felt a need to make public.

They should join this Nick fan thread   .  So nice to have a sanctuary from negative Nick comments.

Beautiful description!!!!   

[MiaHawk]

Ah Nick, he is my bittersweet chocolate. Smooth to the tongue and so addictive.  No need to grate him into pieces; better to take him whole and savour.

   He's that good  



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You gots it baaaaad!!!   

[MiaHawk]

I think it's interesting that Nick is also so self-aware that he realizes that his previous relationship taught him about his arrogance...and humbled him...

I think he's also the kind of guy who is sooo astute but also genuine and honest to a fault that he does not filter himself -- he just goes raw and speaks his mind regardless and I think that factors heavily into how it is coming off to others...he just is how he is (whether he's obsessively thinking about what's coming next in dates or with Andi, or saying exactly how he feels about her and their relationship)...

In the normal world this wouldn't be strange as he's going all out for a girl he's into and there're no other guys involved...in the bachelor bubble I think this can be quite difficult for others to process and great ammo for the show's producers. he seems to have made a cognitive decision to say - she's my top priority and I'm going to go all out for her cos of how strongly I feel without worrying about how I come off to the guys....this can be insensitive but for someone in the situation of feeling very deeply and falling in love with the girl it can be extremely difficult to try to navigate the situation with other guys building relationships with the same girl. I do think he could have toned it down but I think him focusing on the future, being proactive with what he can do to make it work and saying what's on his mind without letting others' cloud his thoughts is almost a defense mechanism...a way to curb his own insecurities and to go all out for this connection that he finds himself amazed to have with her.

It's funny because he says it over and over that he is aware the effect it might have on the guys - but that he can't hold himself back or try to root for the other guys -- (in his last crying interview it's clear it was trying to get to him). It's very easy to take these nuances for character creation and make him into a villian caricature of this season.

^^^Excellent description. I started off this season neutral towards Nick, then was a little turned off by his smugness, but last night he won me over. What I saw last night was a man who has taken down all of his walls and who is giddy in love with Andi. His actions and demeanor show me he is completely smitten with Andi, and his words and conversation show me he is convinced that they are a perfect couple destined for marriage. It was quite touching (for me) to see salty Nick turn into in-love Nick. He is there with a "leave with no regrets" attitude, which means that he is not willing to forego any opportunity to bond with Andi. The edit calls him Tricky Nicky, and the guys say he is a gamer. He is being villified on tv, yet he is not a villian. I think he is a cerebral kind of guy, maybe a little uptight, and as such he thinks constantly about the situation that he is in.

I think that the other guys probably regret the way they attacked him last night, and it seems most of them have made amends. I don't read all of the SM stuff, but perhaps if Marcus didn't reach out to him in a positive way on SM,(which is the vibe I am picking up) it is because it was right after Marcus' date that Nick paid Andi and visit. If the guys did not know about that until last night's show being aired, maybe Marcus was still taken a back by it. But, if I had to take a guess, I think this group of guys will let bygones be bygones. Of course, some guys may be closer than others, but I think, in general, that the post-season bromances prove that this Tricky Nicky stuff was producer driven drama. You've got to wonder WHAT the guys had whispered in their ears to make them so irritated by Nick, but it probably was mostly jealousy and the insecurities of the circumstance of being on this show.

Based on their little stroll to the cafe, conversation, chemistry, and kissing, I must say that I see and hear from both of their mouths lots of evidence that they both have very strong feelings for one another. I like Andi when she is with Nick. I think he is good for her. So, this is what I ponder: Did all of the guy-driven Nick drama (at GDs when the guys complained about Nick) and perhaps a "Throw Nick under the bus" comment here or there from 1 or more of the remaining final guys, may have tipped the scale in favor of another F1 guy? And if other guys did speak to Andi about their concerns over Nick's sincerity or reasons for being on the show (because last night they questioned why he was on the show, if he would walk out at F1, if he was on the show to become TB, etc), and NOW those guys have seen the show and seen Nick's connection with Andi, his feelings of love, and his emotional vulnerabilities...now wouldn't it be a crime if those comments were what scared Andi away from Nick at the end?

And if the last portion of this post is better suited for another thread, I apologize. I'm not that good at compartmentalizing in my posts. I have more of a rambling style. I just got to thinking....TPTB think they can play God and stir the pot, plant seeds of doubt, create paranoia and discord. But to what final end? Enough to sway a lead's final decision? I say this because I have seen Andi very distraught several times this season when she felt that either guys were going to leave or that they were there for the wrong reason: Eric who questioned her, the partier Craig, her dislike of Marcus' admission that he considered leaving and her dwelling upon it, her reaction when Nick arrived at the door asking him if everything was ok ie Are you about to tell me you want or need to leave?, when Chris pulled her outside at the RC last minute she thought he was going to have a car waiting to leave, and there are probably others. IF 1 or more of the F4 guys were to plant a seed of doubt into Andi's head that Nick may not be there for the right reasons, that he might walk away in the end, or that he really just wants to be TB, I think Andi would drop him like a hot potato. Nick knows how Andi is behaving---she is behaving like she is in love with him---I'd venture to say that she IS in love with him. But, if Nick ends up as F2 as most suggest, I cannot help but wonder if the villification of Nick didn't play at least a small role in his elimination.

[notarose]

I think it's interesting that Nick is also so self-aware that he realizes that his previous relationship taught him about his arrogance...and humbled him...

I think he's also the kind of guy who is sooo astute but also genuine and honest to a fault that he does not filter himself -- he just goes raw and speaks his mind regardless and I think that factors heavily into how it is coming off to others...he just is how he is (whether he's obsessively thinking about what's coming next in dates or with Andi, or saying exactly how he feels about her and their relationship)...

In the normal world this wouldn't be strange as he's going all out for a girl he's into and there're no other guys involved...in the bachelor bubble I think this can be quite difficult for others to process and great ammo for the show's producers. he seems to have made a cognitive decision to say - she's my top priority and I'm going to go all out for her cos of how strongly I feel without worrying about how I come off to the guys....this can be insensitive but for someone in the situation of feeling very deeply and falling in love with the girl it can be extremely difficult to try to navigate the situation with other guys building relationships with the same girl. I do think he could have toned it down but I think him focusing on the future, being proactive with what he can do to make it work and saying what's on his mind without letting others' cloud his thoughts is almost a defense mechanism...a way to curb his own insecurities and to go all out for this connection that he finds himself amazed to have with her.

It's funny because he says it over and over that he is aware the effect it might have on the guys - but that he can't hold himself back or try to root for the other guys -- (in his last crying interview it's clear it was trying to get to him). It's very easy to take these nuances for character creation and make him into a villian caricature of this season.

^^^Excellent description.  I started off this season neutral towards Nick, then was a little turned off by his smugness, but last night he won me over.  What I saw last night was a man who has taken down all of his walls and who is giddy in love with Andi.  His actions and demeanor show me he is completely smitten with Andi, and his words and conversation show me he is convinced that they are a perfect couple destined for marriage.  It was quite touching (for me) to see salty Nick turn into in-love Nick.  He is there with a "leave with no regrets" attitude, which means that he is not willing to forego any opportunity to bond with Andi.  The edit calls him Tricky Nicky, and the guys say he is a gamer.  He is being villified on tv, yet he is not a villian.  I think he is a cerebral kind of guy, maybe a little uptight, and as such he thinks constantly about the situation that he is in.  

I think that the other guys probably regret the way they attacked him last night, and it seems most of them have made amends.  I don't read all of the SM stuff, but perhaps if Marcus didn't reach out to him in a positive way on SM,(which is the vibe I am picking up) it is because it was right after Marcus' date that Nick paid Andi and visit.  If the guys did not know about that until last night's show being aired, maybe Marcus was still taken a back by it.  But, if I had to take a guess, I think this group of guys will let bygones be bygones.  Of course, some guys may be closer than others, but I think, in general, that the post-season bromances prove that this Tricky Nicky stuff was producer driven drama.  You've got to wonder WHAT the guys had whispered in their ears to make them so irritated by Nick, but it probably was mostly jealousy and the insecurities of the circumstance of being on this show.

Based on their little stroll to the cafe, conversation, chemistry, and kissing, I must say that I see and hear from both of their mouths lots of evidence that they both have very strong feelings for one another.  I like Andi when she is with Nick.  I think he is good for her.  So, this is what I ponder:  Did all of the guy-driven Nick drama (at GDs when the guys complained about Nick) and perhaps a "Throw Nick under the bus" comment here or there from 1 or more of the remaining final guys, may have tipped the scale in favor of another F1 guy?  And if other guys did speak to Andi about their concerns over Nick's sincerity or reasons for being on the show (because last night they questioned why he was on the show, if he would walk out at F1, if he was on the show to become TB, etc), and NOW those guys have seen the show and seen Nick's connection with Andi, his feelings of love, and his emotional vulnerabilities...now wouldn't it be a crime if those comments were what scared Andi away from Nick at the end?

And if the last portion of this post is better suited for another thread, I apologize.  I'm not that good at compartmentalizing in my posts.  I have more of a rambling style.  I just got to thinking....TPTB think they can play God and stir the pot, plant seeds of doubt, create paranoia and discord.  But to what final end?  Enough to sway a lead's final decision?  I say this because I have seen Andi very distraught several times this season when she felt that either guys were going to leave or that they were there for the wrong reason:  Eric who questioned her, the partier Craig, her dislike of Marcus' admission that he considered leaving and her dwelling upon it, her reaction when Nick arrived at the door asking him if everything was ok ie Are you about to tell me you want or need to leave?, when Chris pulled her outside at the RC last minute she thought he was going to have a car waiting to leave, and there are probably others.  IF 1 or more of the F4 guys were to plant a seed of doubt into Andi's head that Nick may not be there for the right reasons, that he might walk away in the end, or that he really just wants to be TB, I think Andi would drop him like a hot potato.  Nick knows how Andi is behaving---she is behaving like she is in love with him---I'd venture to say that she IS in love with him.  But, if Nick ends up as F2 as most suggest, I cannot help but wonder if the villification of Nick didn't play at least a small role in his elimination.      

  
I don't want to discuss your excellent post too much in this fan thread.
Great logic.  It really is a plausible reason for the edit, as if the edit emulates not who Nick is (although he can be cheeky, out of line, and other human stuff as well) but emulates how he was perceived by others on the basis of what they would have been thinking before doing what he did.  Their oversight was that he didn't think as they did.  
Showing Nick with his mom in the last preview straight up being overcome by his love for Andi really authenticates the depth of his emotion and perhaps a release of that wall he had erected to try to protect himself during "the process" with regard to the guys. He was being authentic with her all along and in survival mode with the fraternity.
I like a lot of the guys and see how all this could happen.  Nick was wise to block out the talk. I guess we'll find out if Andi did too.

[stuckinsc]

Mia, I really like your post and notarose you know I like yours too.

I too liked Andi with Nick until last week. Watching him have to apologize again for being confident in their connection and what he had felt for her and from her? Total crap.

If Andi let the feelings of other guys keep her from Nick, then she doesn't deserve him and I will be happy Nick got away from her.

I haven't had much of a problem with anything Nick has done. I think he probably shouldn't have interrupted Brian at the cocktail party, I get why, but with a rose it was still inconsiderate and he should have waited until they came back into the main room. The naming the dog Murray while funny maybe a dig on Josh, so okay. But those two offenses are nothing and silly.

Andi who made fun of JPG for his accent and saying Ess Okay, has no right to be mad at Nick for snarking on Cody's overuse of blessed. Which I get the feeling, but dang am I tired of that phrase. It should have been part of the drinking game.

Anyway, I got of topic, but Nick is truly a really great man and a good fit for an intelligent and motivated woman. If she lets the feelings of others make her give up on him then she is just not worthy.

[notarose]

stuckinsc about the Brian interruption.  Not sure what the circumstances were as to why he felt a need to interrupt instead of wait.  We'll never know.  What did stand out to me is that he used that time to tell her something about his feelings regarding the night before when the blow out with the guys occurred.
Remember when he had the tiff with Cody after which Andi asked him, if she was his wife, would he tell her?  I think the ITM when he was in tears is related to his desire to tell her 1st hand and not just to the camera.  

On another note:

@ dylanpetitt It was a fun ride. Would do it all over again if I could (maybe not some of the dates). I appreciate that I was given this once in a lifetime opportunity and will never forget the great people I met on this journey @thenicksutter @b_r_o23 @souleschris @marcus_grodd@jayloni_martin @nick_viall28 @ronniewoooo @jjobrien
http://web.stagram.com/p/755022392333613844_431115173#Dr0eQfbIQfkPKjRX.99

[sdmom]

Thank you all for some very very nice in-depth posts!   
I wish nothing but the best for Nick, FreeNick!

[stuckinsc]

stuckinsc about the Brian interruption.  Not sure what the circumstances were as to why he felt a need to interrupt instead of wait.  We'll never know.  What did stand out to me is that he used that time to tell her something about his feelings regarding the night before when the blow out with the guys occurred.
Remember when he had the tiff with Cody after which Andi asked him, if she was his wife, would he tell her?  I think the ITM when he was in tears is related to his desire to tell her 1st hand and not just to the camera.  

On another note:

@ dylanpetitt It was a fun ride. Would do it all over again if I could (maybe not some of the dates). I appreciate that I was given this once in a lifetime opportunity and will never forget the great people I met on this journey @thenicksutter @b_r_o23 @souleschris @marcus_grodd@jayloni_martin @nick_viall28 @ronniewoooo @jjobrien
http://web.stagram.com/p/755022392333613844_431115173#Dr0eQfbIQfkPKjRX.99

notarose, I knew why Nick interrupted, and I understood him doing it, it wasn't malicious or mean, but it would have been better to wait until Brian who didn't have a rose was done instead of interrupting. For me part of being a fan of the guys is too like them for their good and bad, so to me, this was probably not good, he should have waited. I imagine as Brian and Nick chatted last night, didn't they say they skype on Monday nights?, that Brian was apologizing for talking so much smack about Nick and I am sure when that happened Nick probably apologized too. Something like, I am sorry I was so worked up for her, I didn't even think it wasn't cool to interrupt your alone time.

[notarose]

stuckinsc about the Brian interruption.  Not sure what the circumstances were as to why he felt a need to interrupt instead of wait.  We'll never know.  What did stand out to me is that he used that time to tell her something about his feelings regarding the night before when the blow out with the guys occurred.
Remember when he had the tiff with Cody after which Andi asked him, if she was his wife, would he tell her?  I think the ITM when he was in tears is related to his desire to tell her 1st hand and not just to the camera.  

On another note:

@ dylanpetitt It was a fun ride. Would do it all over again if I could (maybe not some of the dates). I appreciate that I was given this once in a lifetime opportunity and will never forget the great people I met on this journey @thenicksutter @b_r_o23 @souleschris @marcus_grodd@jayloni_martin @nick_viall28 @ronniewoooo @jjobrien
http://web.stagram.com/p/755022392333613844_431115173#Dr0eQfbIQfkPKjRX.99

notarose, I knew why Nick interrupted, and I understood him doing it, it wasn't malicious or mean, but it would have been better to wait until Brian who didn't have a rose was done instead of interrupting.  For me part of being a fan of the guys is too like them for their good and bad, so to me, this was probably not good, he should have waited.  I imagine as Brian and Nick chatted last night, didn't they say they skype on Monday nights?, that Brian was apologizing for talking so much smack about Nick and I am sure when that happened Nick probably apologized too.  Something like, I am sorry I was so worked up for her, I didn't even think it wasn't cool to interrupt your alone time.  

   yes, i forgot about Brian saying they skype every Monday. So funny.
I guess I didn't clearly state, I wasn't trying to excuse him either.    I really admire him and recognize his weaker points but am not bothered by them.

I did think it was weird that they showed the cameraman following behind Nick when he was walking toward the room. Strange.

[sdmom]

Now I got it!! Poor Nick ,he really is misunderstood!!!
So, Nick tweeted" "I really need stop quoting anchorman... Or just work on my comedic timing.. Hopefully the latter"

I googled Anchorman, and here 's the quote:
"I know that one day, Veronica and I are gonna get married on top of a mountain. '
then he just kept going and made some more jokes.
No wonder he said his humor is dryer than a desert!

[stuckinsc]

Now I got it!! Poor Nick ,he really is misunderstood!!!
So, Nick tweeted" "I really need stop quoting anchorman... Or just work on my comedic timing.. Hopefully the latter"

I googled Anchorman, and here 's the quote:
"I know that one day, Veronica and I are gonna get married on top of a mountain. '
then he just kept going and made some more jokes.
No wonder he said his humor is dryer than a desert!

I watch Will Farrell movies only half listening, so I never would have gotten it. This makes that whole scene even more awesome!

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