Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion

[emusha]

I think it's interesting that Nick is also so self-aware that he realizes that his previous relationship taught him about his arrogance...and humbled him...

I think he's also the kind of guy who is sooo astute but also genuine and honest to a fault that he does not filter himself -- he just goes raw and speaks his mind regardless and I think that factors heavily into how it is coming off to others...he just is how he is (whether he's obsessively thinking about what's coming next in dates or with Andi, or saying exactly how he feels about her and their relationship)...

In the normal world this wouldn't be strange as he's going all out for a girl he's into and there're no other guys involved...in the bachelor bubble I think this can be quite difficult for others to process and great ammo for the show's producers. he seems to have made a cognitive decision to say - she's my top priority and I'm going to go all out for her cos of how strongly I feel without worrying about how I come off to the guys....this can be insensitive but for someone in the situation of feeling very deeply and falling in love with the girl it can be extremely difficult to try to navigate the situation with other guys building relationships with the same girl. I do think he could have toned it down but I think him focusing on the future, being proactive with what he can do to make it work and saying what's on his mind without letting others' cloud his thoughts is almost a defense mechanism...a way to curb his own insecurities and to go all out for this connection that he finds himself amazed to have with her.

It's funny because he says it over and over that he is aware the effect it might have on the guys - but that he can't hold himself back or try to root for the other guys -- (in his last crying interview it's clear it was trying to get to him). It's very easy to take these nuances for character creation and make him into a villian caricature of this season.

[sdmom]

Mura, love your post!

Nick just tweeted
@viallnicholas28: Apparently sometimes my humor is dryer than a desert

Now I know why I love him, my husband and older son both have sarcastic kind of humor

[nutty1]

I think it's interesting that Nick is also so self-aware that he realizes that his previous relationship taught him about his arrogance...and humbled him...

I think he's also the kind of guy who is sooo astute but also genuine and honest to a fault that he does not filter himself -- he just goes raw and speaks his mind regardless and I think that factors heavily into how it is coming off to others...he just is how he is (whether he's obsessively thinking about what's coming next in dates or with Andi, or saying exactly how he feels about her and their relationship)...

In the normal world this wouldn't be strange as he's going all out for a girl he's into and there're no other guys involved...in the bachelor bubble I think this can be quite difficult for others to process and great ammo for the show's producers. he seems to have made a cognitive decision to say - she's my top priority and I'm going to go all out for her cos of how strongly I feel without worrying about how I come off to the guys....this can be insensitive but for someone in the situation of feeling very deeply and falling in love with the girl it can be extremely difficult to try to navigate the situation with other guys building relationships with the same girl. I do think he could have toned it down but I think him focusing on the future, being proactive with what he can do to make it work and saying what's on his mind without letting others' cloud his thoughts is almost a defense mechanism...a way to curb his own insecurities and to go all out for this connection that he finds himself amazed to have with her.

It's funny because he says it over and over that he is aware the effect it might have on the guys - but that he can't hold himself back or try to root for the other guys -- (in his last crying interview it's clear it was trying to get to him). It's very easy to take these nuances for character creation and make him into a villian caricature of this season.

      

[nutty1]

I love his sense of humor, it is just like my son's. I have never stopped liking Nick for one minute.

[Guest]

Thanks for your kind words guys!   Hopefully another crumb otw this weekend .

on a more steamy note, has this been discussed yet? #winning   

http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelorette/news/kiss-leaderboard/20140630-week-seven-belgium

[nutty1]

I couldn't help myself….I had to tweet Andi about Kelly…..she annoys me. If Andi doesn't care about that, then she deserves NONE of these guys!

PS….I am sunburned and cranky!   

[stuckinsc]

I couldn't help myself….I had to tweet Andi about Kelly…..she annoys me. If Andi doesn't care about that, then she deserves NONE of these guys!

PS….I am sunburned and cranky!    

I lack the sunburn, but these tweets and the lack of her acknowledging or Andi saying anything has me very cranky. I may have to change my sign to free all of Andi's bachelors!

[SueSt]

  

I have reasons:
- several of the guys who questioned his intentions in the clips and scenes we have seen yesterday, today or even earlier came to his defence (twitter: Dylan, Brian and not involved Nick V & JJ   IG: Marquel). These are all great men so if they are sending a strong positive message about Nick in the real world then he is in real life their caliber of people.
- this man would make a wonderful lover; in turn gentle yet not hesitant to get a wee bit forceful (salty & sweet all in one package).  He is sensual and attentive in the moment.
- he freely shares his thoughts and emotions even when she doesn't reciprocate.  In this way, he's not that guy who keeps track.
- he stands his ground without leaving an argument in angry.  Over and over again at the end of it all, he concludes calmly.  He doesn't yell, throw accusations back at them about their behaviour, or walk out before the argument is done.  He sticks with it until some sort if resolution occurs.
- he's very intelligent and inquisitive. He was the only guy who talked about the beauty of the architecture in any detail.  Love a man who sees culture as more than food, drink, and physical activities.
- he's not afraid to cry.  Didn't wipe away his tears or stop talking.  Just sees it as a normal emotion.
- he understands that relationships take time to build and require effort.  He not only says this, he does this. He is a man of his word - no false proclamations.

All these things far outweigh his flaws and I think away from group dates and guys talking about their dates with the same girl, Nick would be even more calm and caring.  The guys who supported him on SM on Monday describe him as genuine.  That is a huge compliment and one each of the guys felt a need to make public.

They should join this Nick fan thread   .  So nice to have a sanctuary from negative Nick comments.

Wow notarose, what a poetic and beautiful tribute to a poetic and beautiful soul - thanks.

[SueSt]

I couldn't help myself….I had to tweet Andi about Kelly…..she annoys me. If Andi doesn't care about that, then she deserves NONE of these guys!

PS….I am sunburned and cranky!    

ahahahahahahah nutty, you made me laugh - hope you had a good day at the beach!

[sdmom]

I couldn't help myself….I had to tweet Andi about Kelly…..she annoys me. If Andi doesn't care about that, then she deserves NONE of these guys!

PS….I am sunburned and cranky!    

We two Mama Bears watching over out teddy bear. No, sorry, you watch for your boyfriend, I just tag along .  
I hardly tweet but I had to tweet that stupid girl (sorry, pedophile is an offensive word and you don't throw it around easily)

[notarose]

I'm only posting and reading this Nick fan thread for a bit so I don't know if this has been posted yet.

@ jayloni_martin Loved the experience, but what I miss most of all were the relationships I built with the guys that will live forever. One in particular is my brother @nick_viall28. One of the most genuine guys I've ever met. Light always shines brotha, don't change. #rideformyboys#realrecognizereal #knowthembeforeujudgethem
http://web.stagram.com/p/754592387178939996_33930240#IBwv6Ic3wl4uEvmi.99

@ jayloni_martin is really Marquel.

[SueSt]

--THE ELEPHANT--

Bringing over a fruitful underground discussion with an awesome friend   

Friend :

Strange that no one has ever mentioned that Nick was never in a scene on the show or on any other released clip where he is sitting with 1 or more guys judging whether a person is there for "the right reasons" or "playing a game".  
All that is only of other guys talking about i re: him or someone else.  The first were Andrew & Marcus, then JJ & Josh (about Andrew), now ABC has a clip of Josh & Marcus.  Plus there are all those group scenes of the guys talking about Nick and his strategy which is really then strategizing about what they think Nick is doing.

Me :
of course .....since he is the elephant. in the room , whom everybody looking at it and talk about it......

Brian's PI on 4: 29 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrhxDtITyfA&index=8&list=PLkB4oXgMAPBO-B7cdxZg9VlXv4ZbaSJ8a

reiterate by Marcus's date (1:10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoKwwdnix0Q&index=14&list=PLkB4oXgMAPBOrSPYIcn99hns8g2SULdGz

Love this Description :
Like an elephant, Nick cannot be ignored, trumpets his own horn, follows his own path, has sad eyes, defers to the matriarch but also defends her, can carry great weight, clears a path of obstacles, and is forlorn when in captivity.  In the animal kingdom elephants are known as gentle giants.  Each elephant group choses it's male leader not based on physical strength but on his intellegence and ability to problem solving. All facts

Gosh..how i loooove a great Fleissian metaphor! (Gag! )

i dont really enjoy get immersed on why, how these grown A$$ men do or dont do something, for we see only about 5% of what truly went down BTS.  TPTB only show us the footage what they want us to see.

I love to put thought more on why and how the Puppet Master doing his act in showcasing any cast's role.

If i have to state only 1 single reason why i like Nick, that would be : i like him just because...this season would be a dull, a snoozefest without him   

Too funny that if we observe closely, Andi has always eliminated the guy who confronted or being vocal about Nick right away or soon after. First Andrew and Patrick, then Codi..then Dylan (in his PI and interupting act at ep.6 cocktail party at least) and Brian (his PI of ep.7).

By this reasoning, Marcus is next to go since he was the one who 'confronted' Nick and being vocal about him on last episode and on the new deleted scene. We shall see!...

goes by my own silly elephant theory : elephant in the room, could translate as elephant of the season. He was the FIR and we shall see him with FR as well. It was Nick from beginning to end and all the rest was filler.   

wow!...its getting long!...*drop my mic   *. Thanks for letting me do the venting and throwing out my silly theory in this safe place!..  :cutesmile!: 

ETA. forgot to add,,, as the F1 Nick has no 'use' for TPTB any longer....no wonder they released the deleted scene and create silly drama surrounding him for the sake of rating. Boy, they get what they want, do they?..... :P 
http://www.wetpaint.com/the-bachelorette/articles/2014-07-01-episode-7-ratings-brussels-belgium?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wetpaint%2Flatest%2Fexcerpt+(Wetpaint+Network+(Excerpt))

i have said it before, im gonna say it again. IMO Nick is the male version of Nikki (with his confidence, dry humor, no filter, no BS style and all). No wonder he hit it off with Andi right away and so well  

Dear Mura,
Your posts are always so encouraging, thanks.
I was sideswiped today with the news of Andi's friend mean tweeting about Nick... and then I read your post that lays out a scenario with such intelligence and authority, that I can't hold on to my sadness or fear. You are awesome, truly the best.
Thanks for lifting me up from a morass of miserable!!!
The elephant description was eerily on target - amazing.
Thanks again, Sue

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