Re: Nick Viall Bachelorette 10 - *Fan Forum* - *Spoilers* - Discussion

[Guest]

The amazing thing about Nick and Andi is how in synch and supportive they are:

Nick comes to Andi's door in a panic and she responds with her heart pounding.

Nick tells Andi he has insane thoughts - that he wants to marry her; Andi tells him 'good' and then proceeds to kiss him ... and talk about the one word that describes their relationship - passion. - mentally, emotionally, physically.

On the GD Nick tells Andi that he will tell his family that he wants to marry her... and she rewards him with the group date rose.

Nick interrupts Andi's cocktail discussion with Brian and although she acknowledges it puts a target on his back, she also says in her blog it's not about roses anymore, but relationships.

Nick’s logical nature seems to soften Andi’s fiery nature  and vice versa - they enhance each other in a very profound way.  

Every vulnerable step Nick takes towards Andi is met with encouragement. There is no hesitation or hiding, just open hearts and love....

Beautiful!

  

I agree. Nice post. I'm worried she is going to ignore all of that though.   

[stuckinsc]

Not to make comparisons   but I see a real difference in the body language between Nick and Andi vs. Josh and Andi.  With Nick they are both leaning in, engaged and participating.  When I see Andi with Josh, he often takes a lounging position where he's not facing Andi, but leaning back waiting for her to come to him, more of a power position.

In relation to this, one thing that was pretty much true except for Des with Brooks leaving was to watch who the bachelorette chased, not who was chasing the bachelorette.

To me she is chasing Josh and Nick is chasing her. Now last season Chris was chasing Des and Des was chasing Brooks, but then again, I hate to compare anything to last season. I really think Des would have picked Brooks had he stayed.

[notarose]

Not to make comparisons   but I see a real difference in the body language between Nick and Andi vs. Josh and Andi.  With Nick they are both leaning in, engaged and participating.  When I see Andi with Josh, he often takes a lounging position where he's not facing Andi, but leaning back waiting for her to come to him, more of a power position.

There is a great difference in the body language between the two pairings however that is partly due to the great difference between Josh and Nick. Each interacts in accordance to their own personalities.
Interestingly, Andi has traits in common with Kelly, Nikki, and Sharleen which is likely why they all became close friends. Different aspects of Andi's personality are reacting to each of the guys. In the moment, she is reacting while being there; now that she is watching herself on tv it must be interesting for her to observe the differences.

[notarose]

The amazing thing about Nick and Andi is how in synch and supportive they are:

Nick comes to Andi's door in a panic and she responds with her heart pounding.

Nick tells Andi he has insane thoughts - that he wants to marry her; Andi tells him 'good' and then proceeds to kiss him ... and talk about the one word that describes their relationship - passion. - mentally, emotionally, physically.

On the GD Nick tells Andi that he will tell his family that he wants to marry her... and she rewards him with the group date rose.

Nick interrupts Andi's cocktail discussion with Brian and although she acknowledges it puts a target on his back, she also says in her blog it's not about roses anymore, but relationships.

Nick’s logical nature seems to soften Andi’s fiery nature  and vice versa - they enhance each other in a very profound way.  

Every vulnerable step Nick takes towards Andi is met with encouragement. There is no hesitation or hiding, just open hearts and love....

Beautiful!

  

I agree. Nice post. I'm worried she is going to ignore all of that though.   

  

[rosesrREd]

Not to make comparisons   but I see a real difference in the body language between Nick and Andi vs. Josh and Andi.  With Nick they are both leaning in, engaged and participating.  When I see Andi with Josh, he often takes a lounging position where he's not facing Andi, but leaning back waiting for her to come to him, more of a power position.

In relation to this, one thing that was pretty much true except for Des with Brooks leaving was to watch who the bachelorette chased, not who was chasing the bachelorette.

To me she is chasing Josh and Nick is chasing her.  Now last season Chris was chasing Des and Des was chasing Brooks, but then again, I hate to compare anything to last season.  I really think Des would have picked Brooks had he stayed.

I don't think Josh is "in love" with Andi at all.  She seems very smitten with him, but I can't say he is the her.  With Nick, and Andi, it seems like a mutual love.

[Kashathediva]

This is what Kasha posted in Josh thread. Since many of us don't go there, I copied and pasted here:
Kasha, I hope you don't mind!

"partytime  See this guy. He is snarky. He likes to have fun. He has a dry, sarcastic sense of humor.  Does he say insensitive things at times. Absolutely. Is his timing off at times. Definitely.   :hidingchair  He does have a heart though.   :thismuch: And apparently according to his vast array of friends is a good friend and valued in their lives.  :swinginglove  

I know this guy well as I walk in his shoes.  hug

This is Nick's brand of humor. It may not be received well. Does it matter, not much. He has lots of friends who know his heart and love him for who he is.  


I don't mind his cockiness, I don't mind his wit, I don't mind him catching the advantages that come his way or playing games with TPTB. Because it's pot meet kettle. hug   I get ya Nick.


   I'm thinking the ATFR show will be a major disappointment for anyone hoping to see Nick lose his cool. He hasn't done so even while under attack by the jealous mean girls - oops, guys - on the show. He stays in control even in the heat of battle. Are we sure Nick isn't an athlete?



yeah this ^     Smiley"

Kasha, I love you!  I got so angry with the crap about Nick last night I stopped going there for the rest of the season at risk of getting myself banned.  What is sad is I really like Josh, but apparently if you don't think Josh and Andi are the great love of the universe and Nick should not breath you are not allowed to be a Josh fan.    

Ha! 
I'm just reading this now.  
I kind of try to stay out of the fan threads and venture in very gently. But I do have to go in and see how the natives are behaving. Thank god no one is drowning from salivation in this thread! 

I identify quite a bit with Nick. I think he went along quite a bit with TPTB when it involved mischief and when it offered up an advantage with MeandI. 
I get his humor. I get that he owns up to a gaffe. 
I think MeandI does, too.

[SueSt]

Not to make comparisons   but I see a real difference in the body language between Nick and Andi vs. Josh and Andi.  With Nick they are both leaning in, engaged and participating.  When I see Andi with Josh, he often takes a lounging position where he's not facing Andi, but leaning back waiting for her to come to him, more of a power position.

In relation to this, one thing that was pretty much true except for Des with Brooks leaving was to watch who the bachelorette chased, not who was chasing the bachelorette.

To me she is chasing Josh and Nick is chasing her.  Now last season Chris was chasing Des and Des was chasing Brooks, but then again, I hate to compare anything to last season.  I really think Des would have picked Brooks had he stayed.

Thanks, Stuckinsc, I agree to an extent. I do think Andi is chasing Josh mostly because he's more withheld (like Brooks).... he didn't say ILY till this past episode and because he's not as emotional as Nick, Andi keeps having to pull things out of him. I can see how much it turns her on when she's rewarded with his response. She doesn't need to chase Nick because he is fully engaged with her.. but she certainly lights up when he's around; there is an ease and connection that I don't see with Josh. Someone called Josh a trophy husband, I call him the plastic prince, but either way he's just a lot stiffer and not as emotionally open to my eyes.

[SueSt]

Not to make comparisons   but I see a real difference in the body language between Nick and Andi vs. Josh and Andi.  With Nick they are both leaning in, engaged and participating.  When I see Andi with Josh, he often takes a lounging position where he's not facing Andi, but leaning back waiting for her to come to him, more of a power position.

In relation to this, one thing that was pretty much true except for Des with Brooks leaving was to watch who the bachelorette chased, not who was chasing the bachelorette.

To me she is chasing Josh and Nick is chasing her.  Now last season Chris was chasing Des and Des was chasing Brooks, but then again, I hate to compare anything to last season.  I really think Des would have picked Brooks had he stayed.

I don't think Josh is "in love" with Andi at all.  She seems very smitten with him, but I can't say he is the her.  With Nick, and Andi, it seems like a mutual love.

IA, roses. It's wonderful to watch.

[stuckinsc]

Not to make comparisons   but I see a real difference in the body language between Nick and Andi vs. Josh and Andi.  With Nick they are both leaning in, engaged and participating.  When I see Andi with Josh, he often takes a lounging position where he's not facing Andi, but leaning back waiting for her to come to him, more of a power position.

In relation to this, one thing that was pretty much true except for Des with Brooks leaving was to watch who the bachelorette chased, not who was chasing the bachelorette.

To me she is chasing Josh and Nick is chasing her.  Now last season Chris was chasing Des and Des was chasing Brooks, but then again, I hate to compare anything to last season.  I really think Des would have picked Brooks had he stayed.

Thanks, Stuckinsc, I agree to an extent.  I do think Andi is chasing Josh mostly because he's more withheld (like Brooks)....  he didn't say ILY till this past episode and because he's not as emotional as Nick, Andi keeps having to pull things out of him.  I can see how much it turns her on when she's rewarded with his response.  She doesn't need to chase Nick because he is fully engaged with her.. but she certainly lights up when he's around; there is an ease and connection that I don't see with Josh.  Someone called Josh a trophy husband, I call him the plastic prince, but either way he's just a lot stiffer and not as emotionally open to my eyes.

Emotionally, the connection between Andi and Nick is very much like Chris and Des. I actually thought last season that Des's body and mind were trying to tell her that Chris was the one but she was so fixated on Brooks that she was fighting it. I really do agree with Des, she may not have gotten exactly what she wanted but she definitely got what she needed.

Now I don't see Josh as a Brooks. I know I am odd, but I like Josh and Nick almost equally. At this point I love Nick a little more but that is because they have actually shown me more of him. Josh is this one sided hunk of man who came in night one and feel hard for the pretty girl, but has been shown to have the emotional depth of a wading pool. I follow the Murrays a lot being in UGA country. They are all pretty good people. He is this warm smart man who failed at his first love baseball and when that happened chose to take what he had get a degree and in that process go and support his little brother and help make his little brothers transition away from home steadier and easier. To me that makes him a pretty great man. After he got his own degree he stuck in the area for a while to continue to help Aaron and then Stephanie. He only recently left a much smaller city for the larger city where the opportunities for someone in finance are probably better. His love for his family and caring for his two parents who have both battled cancer is courageous. He actually has a pretty good sense of humor about himself and owns up to his own imperfections outside the show. The blogger who called him a typical Florida douche when she met him and now calls him a great guy is a perfect example that there is a really wonderful man, but TPTB aren't showing it so they can emphasize the does the douche ex-baseball player love her or will he break her heart like every other douche athlete she has dated. Which is absurd. All of her final F4 are athletes who competed at pretty high levels in their sport, with Chris probably being the least in this catagory.

Anyway, I didn't mean to go off track. I love Nick and really like Josh. I think they got along really well until Josh had his 1:1 date and the realization happened between them that they both really did want and have a great chance with the same girl. I also think Cody of all innocent little people made this worse. Cody is not the sharpest crayon in the box, and I think Nick's teasing went over Cody's head.and made Cody feel bullied. From what I have seen from Josh he doesn't like bullies. So the Cody situation, where honestly I don't think Nick meant any harm or insult, caused that tension to become bigger.

Without MeAndI and Cody I think there is a chance that Nick and Josh would have remained good friends.

[notarose]

Because Suest mentioned prince



From "The Little Prince": Voici mon secret. Il est très simple: on ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. (Here is my secret. It is very simple: It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.)

[stuckinsc]

Kasha, I love you!  I got so angry with the crap about Nick last night I stopped going there for the rest of the season at risk of getting myself banned.  What is sad is I really like Josh, but apparently if you don't think Josh and Andi are the great love of the universe and Nick should not breath you are not allowed to be a Josh fan.    

Ha! 
I'm just reading this now.  
I kind of try to stay out of the fan threads and venture in very gently. But I do have to go in and see how the natives are behaving. Thank god no one is drowning from salivation in this thread! 

I identify quite a bit with Nick. I think he went along quite a bit with TPTB when it involved mischief and when it offered up an advantage with MeandI. 
I get his humor. I get that he owns up to a gaffe. 
I think MeandI does, too.

I think you have a great sarcastic side, much like Nick that I totally get.  I have this annoying part of me where I generally like most people until they give me a reason not to.  So in general fan threads don't bug me.  I can laugh off those who are out of control and enjoy being updated about the people I like.  

I have been really impressed with GA and all of the new mods how you have been able to be yourselves with your own opinions but still keep things moving and not getting too out of control.  I hated the board wars of 2012 and this season has people almost as heated but all of you have done a great job at keeping it calm and I do think having the fan threads for those who want no negative on their favs and then a discussion thread for those who want to talk it out are good.

Back on topic.  I think Nick played the game really well.  I respect his sarcasm, his charm and his wit.  I don't blame him for going after the prize of Andi and I am sure he actually sees something more desirable in her than I am with her MeAndI actions and edit.  

I don't even find him as flaunting as Courtney, but then by the end of Ben's season I was kind of cheering Courtney on.  I really hated when Courtney asked Emily O directly if she had been talking about her and Emily flat out lied to Courtney's face.  To me that was cowardly and even though Emily O and I are in similar fields made me enjoy her much less.  I was really irritated at that WTN when CH never brought up the fact that Emily lied directly to Courtney, while Courtney might have been aggressive and mean, she did try to address the issue directly, as most of us are taught to as a child and when she did, she was lied to and decided FU to them, I am going to act how I want!

My husband has caught bits and pieces of the show from me and he has joked that the men as a whole this season need to pull out their tampons and get over it.  He even suggested some Midol might have helped with their PMS.  I think the other men's bitchy passive aggressive behavior has made me like Nick more.

I was so happy when Sharleen pointed out Nick asking for specific examples of his behavior and them being unable to give them that the whole thing was a blown out of proportion piece of TPTB crap.

[Guest]

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Sharleen!!!!! She has to become part of our little #TeamSalty club here!!! I would even give my boyfriend to her!!!!    

http://www.alltheprettypandas.com/recaps

Earlier, people said Kelly's tweets meant that Nick was the F2. Sharleen leans in favor of Nick. I'd bet both friends know who the F1 is. Its surprising that their views are completely opposite.  

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