Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 4 - Mon June 2/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

nutty1 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

nutty1 wrote:I cannot even comment on the situation. Eric's loss of life was tragic. To me, life is too short to condemn others.

Why do you think Chris has been so hidden? I like him, but I thought when he was shown tonight, he just didn't look that cute. I still cannot imagine him as The Bachelor. I definitely could see Nick before him, or even Marcus or Marquel.

Well I find Chris to be rather boring so I'm glad he isn't being shown much. And I don't think he's hidden because he's F1. I just can't see that at all.

 

Could you see him as the next Bachelor? I can't.

I easily could, who doesn't love the sympathetic boy next door

Ash2214 wrote:If Eric was still alive, I bet no one would be huffing and puffing the way they are. Did Andi overreact? 100%. Could Eric have maybe gone about it differently? I think so.

People weren't fond of how she handled that Juan Pablo talk, and he's very much alive.

docnash14 wrote:Nikki Ferrell ‏@Nikki_Ferrell 25m

I wish I could protect @AndiDorfman from all of your rude hateful remarks. Stop passing judgement and instead extend love. #hypocrites

Awww, like that Nikki is defending her friend.   

nutty1 wrote:I cannot even comment on the situation. Eric's loss of life was tragic. To me, life is too short to condemn others.

Why do you think Chris has been so hidden? I like him, but I thought when he was shown tonight, he just didn't look that cute. I still cannot imagine him as The Bachelor. I definitely could see Nick before him, or even Marcus or Marquel.

Funny how we all see things differently: I see Nick and Marcus and think "player."
Marcus even used to phrases tonight previously used on by other contestants that made me think he had studied the show and was using appropriate "catch phrases" to impress Andi. The "I'm falling in love with you.." seems too early in the process. He has spent very little time with her. I don't get the Marcus love but as someone once said; "There's a lid to every pot." So we each are entitled to our own opinion.
I don't believe in any way, shape or form that he hasn't dated in 3 years. To say that puts him at about 1/3 of his dating life NOT dating--just not buying that. If he had said he hadn't had a serious relationship in 3 years would be much more believable.

Nick, just seems waaay to smooth. (OK, the idea of taking her to Kmart aside) Flowers at the rose ceremony, the way he says exactly what she wants to hear. I don't get it at all.

Who is a good choice for her: I don't know but these guys are slimy to me. Sorry, if they really are nice guys, but at this point I'm not buying what they are selling.

Eric: what a lovely young man. He was totally misunderstood by Andi. She thought he was calling her fake: I think he was really saying that it was too bad she was having to be fake because he really like the "normal/natural" Andi he had seen on their date. Too bad her last words were angry ones (and she was really, really angry.) Neither of them were understanding each other at that moment and given the speed dating approach of the show, it was never fixable. She should have just sent him home at the rose ceremony and moved on to the guys who were functioning better in the Bachelor Bubble.

nutty1 wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:At the end of the day, Andi knew she wasn't going to end up with Eric and Eric basically said he knew it wasn't going to work with Andi. Unfortunately, this is a reality television show. There needs to be someone to create drama. Andi gets paid to do so. If Eric was still alive, I bet no one would be huffing and puffing the way they are. Did Andi overreact? 100%. Could Eric have maybe gone about it differently? I think so. But this is a television show and things like this need to happen and unfortunately a sweet guy involved in this particular set of drama passed away.  

I wish the show honored Eric in the last 10 minutes rather than save face for Andi, but I do get why they did it. She's getting hammered on social media right now. Andi didn't know that Eric was going to tragically die and the negativity is a bit much, especially considering this sort of drama happens every single season, but she's getting plummeted with hate because the other person is no longer here.

I'm not so sure a sweet, humble and full of life guy like Eric would want that. #LiveLikeEric is a damn good motto.

I should just agree with all your posts instead of writing any myself!   

Now….do you like Nick??  

Haha thanks! I know negativity is everywhere, but seeing tweets directed to Andi saying "you killed Eric" is just way too harsh.

I actually do like Nick, although I think he's a bit more confident and slick than he shows Andi, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I like her F4 and I see Josh and Nick probably as her best options there. She's different around them. I even saw it with Marcus tonight. I can tell she likes him and is super attracted to him, but with Nick and Josh there's a difference.

Ash2214 wrote:At the end of the day, Andi knew she wasn't going to end up with Eric and Eric basically said he knew it wasn't going to work with Andi. Unfortunately, this is a reality television show. There needs to be someone to create drama. Andi gets paid to do so. If Eric was still alive, I bet no one would be huffing and puffing the way they are. Did Andi overreact? 100%. Could Eric have maybe gone about it differently? I think so. But this is a television show and things like this need to happen and unfortunately a sweet guy involved in this particular set of drama passed away.  

I wish the show honored Eric in the last 10 minutes rather than save face for Andi, but I do get why they did it. She's getting hammered on social media right now. Andi didn't know that Eric was going to tragically die and the negativity is a bit much, especially considering this sort of drama happens every single season, but she's getting plummeted with hate because the other person is no longer here.

I'm not so sure a sweet, humble and full of life guy like Eric would want that. #LiveLikeEric is a damn good motto.

The thing is: it all could have been handled a different way and none would have been the wiser except for a handful of people involved. 
They could have given us a few more minutes with Dylan's 1:1. They could have given us more than a few more minutes with the group date. They could have given us a few more minutes with Marcus' 1:1. 
TPTB could have totally forgone any of the drama with Eric at all and focused on some minor stuff that was left on the cutting room floor. EX: anything positive at all with Eric and the guys during that episode or anything positive with Andi.  There is always PLENTY of footage left out. 
TPTB chose to go the way they did. Andi did not have to get any backlash tonight and I do feel bad the reality of the situation came out, reality tv or no.  
TPTB could have even diffused the situation with voice overs and frankenbytes. They could have shown Eric leaving via cab. and had the RC. Most of it could easily have been abbreviated and manipulated. The hissy fit with the guys did not have to be shown. 
It was handled as it was because that is the way the machine chose to do so, plain and simple.
 I do feel badly for all involved. It made some of the guys in the next room who were eavesdropping and making comments look crappy, too. 
All that stuff could have been left out.  It was not. 
This was not a normal season. A cast person died. It could have been handled differently, maybe not the most honestly, but this show's strong suit is not honesty. 
How nice it would have been to have a montage of Eric goofing and having a good time with the cast and crew as a 5 minute goodbye? 
It was handled badly and insensitively to all(cast, crew, family and friends) in my eyes.

so..can someone tell me, .what is the point to re-airing episode 4, inc. that awful segment with Eric ???...

bleuberry wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:If Eric was still alive, I bet no one would be huffing and puffing the way they are. Did Andi overreact? 100%. Could Eric have maybe gone about it differently? I think so.

People weren't fond of how she handled that Juan Pablo talk, and he's very much alive.

It's to the point where people are tweeting her that she killed Eric, her fault that he died, etc. and that's not needed. That's brought it to another level. In my opinion, most people were in her corner in regards to the Juan Pablo situation. Everything Andi said to him was accurate - whether she did it for the cameras to become the bachelorette or not.

murasaki1393 wrote:so..can someone tell me, .what is the point to re-airing episode 4, inc. that awful segment with Eric ???...

Honestly, to me if they are re-airing part of that episode(isn't it only an hour?), I hope they cut out the part with Eric. 
Re-airing that is like backing up and running over Andi and some of the guys one more time. No other purpose.

nd4reality wrote:I would throw her a bone big time normally.

But she made such a gigantic thing of JaunP on his season - Karma is a bitch. What goes around comes around. I have no sympathy for her.

You won't believe this, since I was so hard on the poor girl last season. I mean... she wasn't very likable with Juan. I was even telling you that I wasn't going to watch her at all this season. I didn't initially... only started on youtube clips of episode #1 a day after it aired.

... and I am avoiding all of the media and sticking to The Show mostly.

However I do find her quite fascinating. Not only that... she seems so much easier to "read" than other leads. Either that or I am understanding the Bachelorettes better. (I'm still lousy with The Bachelor since I never know what these guys want.) None of us are 100% certain of the outcome, but you already know my "vibe"... LOL!

It appears... from my angle, not that my angle may be correct come finale time... that she has already "fallen" for somebody and the editors are doing everything possible to BURY the relationship on screen so they have a show. Not only that, I think a couple of the guys know it too.

Well... maybe not Nick. He may be the sacrificial lamb dragged to F2 or F3, thinking he's The Only One.

Yet Josh is clearly enjoying himself with little worry about "getting the girl". He was more upset about losing The Game than losing "time" with HER.

Eric simply decided to "pry out" of her what was already obvious to him; he just wanted her to stop playing Poker Face with him. Yet she was NOT in the mood and snapped. Poor girl is struggling, blubbering about looking into every guy's face and having to dump him.

Marcus... I really like this guy! He was such a gentleman. When joking that they should kiss in front of the guys peaking in the window... I have to re-watch that scene... she was all "No! No! No!" and he quickly got The Message. Yet he will be very patient with her until they have their boo-hoo parting.

I am disappointed with how they ended it too. Totally selfish and trying to save face. I agree that It was just poor communication on Eric's part. Andi being intelligent woman that they claim she is, should have known what he meant and how he was feeling. I see faults in both.

Kashathediva wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:At the end of the day, Andi knew she wasn't going to end up with Eric and Eric basically said he knew it wasn't going to work with Andi. Unfortunately, this is a reality television show. There needs to be someone to create drama. Andi gets paid to do so. If Eric was still alive, I bet no one would be huffing and puffing the way they are. Did Andi overreact? 100%. Could Eric have maybe gone about it differently? I think so. But this is a television show and things like this need to happen and unfortunately a sweet guy involved in this particular set of drama passed away.  

I wish the show honored Eric in the last 10 minutes rather than save face for Andi, but I do get why they did it. She's getting hammered on social media right now. Andi didn't know that Eric was going to tragically die and the negativity is a bit much, especially considering this sort of drama happens every single season, but she's getting plummeted with hate because the other person is no longer here.

I'm not so sure a sweet, humble and full of life guy like Eric would want that. #LiveLikeEric is a damn good motto.

The thing is: it all could have been handled a different way and none would have been the wiser except for a handful of people involved. 
They could have given us a few more minutes with Dylan's 1:1. They could have given us more than a few more minutes with the group date. They could have given us a few more minutes with Marcus' 1:1. 
TPTB could have totally forgone any of the drama with Eric at all and focused on some minor stuff that was left on the cutting room floor. EX: anything positive at all with Eric and the guys during that episode or anything positive with Andi.  There is always PLENTY of footage left out. 
TPTB chose to go the way they did. Andi did not have to get any backlash tonight and I do feel bad the reality of the situation came out, reality tv or no.  
TPTB could have even diffused the situation with voice overs and frankenbytes. They could have shown Eric leaving via cab. and had the RC. Most of it could easily have been abbreviated and manipulated. The hissy fit with the guys did not have to be shown. 
It was handled as it was because that is the way the machine chose to do so, plain and simple.
 I do feel badly for all involved. It made some of the guys in the next room who were eavesdropping and making comments look crappy, too. 
All that stuff could have been left out.  It was not. 
This was not a normal season. A cast person died. It could have been handled differently, maybe not the most honestly, but this show's strong suit is not honesty. 
How nice it would have been to have a montage of Eric goofing and having a good time with the cast and crew as a 5 minute goodbye? 
It was handled badly and insensitively to all(cast, crew, family and friends) in my eyes.

This I agree with 100%. Unfortunately, that's why I said it's a television show. They want drama and it was given to them by Andi and Eric. The respectful thing would have been to completely underplay it, but they want the ratings and the drama brings it. It's heartless, but it's the business. It's sad situation for everyone involved - minus production.