Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 3 - Sun - Jun 1/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

sbolduc wrote:

luvlady345 wrote:

emad0722 wrote:

luvlady345 wrote:I went back and watch the scene of the confrontation, if you look at it again and not concentrate on Josh, it was a lot more guys involved in this I was shocked that Nick V was also because the first time around I didn't notice him......

He was involved cause he was at the dinner/in the car when it happened and heard it first hand. Josh I dunno he just decided to make it his business.... Weird if you ask me.

Nick V said he was in bed when Andrew told him about the number, I went back and watched it......Why did Nick V decide to make it his business?

Nick V and JJ were I believe the only other two to actually witness it as they were the only two there... So I am assuming he was backing up the claim tosupport the other two guys as he was actually there

Andrew was starting to backtrack about what he had said that night.  Nick said Andrew told the guys twice about the ph # - in the car to the ones with him at dinner and again back at the house to whoever.  Basically Nick verified that JJ was telling the truth. Sounds like quite a few knew.

What we don't know is whether the guys Andrew initially told had already reamed him out.  They may have but in a way that wasn't as dramatic so not show worthy.  

Regardless of how many men knew or how they each reacted to Andrew, no one seemed to think it was worth telling Andi so Andrew got a rose.

Rolly wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:It's interesting to me that Josh is frequently described here as arrogant.  Tonight I thought he was much less so than Marcus.  For instance, Josh commented that he "felt good about us" (which I take as self-confident) but he wasn't sure he would get the rose as he didn't know what was going on in her connections with the other guys whereas Marcus stated (paraphrasing) that while he didn't know what kind of connection Andi had with Josh he (Marcus) knew it wasn't as strong as the one they (he and Andi) had (which I see more as arrogance).  

I have to agree with this because I was thinking the same thing after Marcus' PI. I also agree with Alanna? who posted that Josh is a bit crazed but about Andi, and it showed what he described as his protectiveness for people he cares about.

I don't see Marcus being arrogant at all. First of all, you can never really know when these PI actually happen because TPTB slice and dice conversations so much. Maybe it happened later and they put it in now.....who knows. Besides I look at what Marcus said as similar to what Chris said about not caring so much about the other relationships because he trusted what he and Des had and how strong their relationship was. I think Marcus is adorable and should be the next Bachelor....JMO.   

I don't see the two comments as the same. Marcus indicated that he was upset about not getting the rose and compared his relationship with Andi to Josh's with her by stating that he knew his relationship was much stronger (than hers with Josh).

docnash14 wrote:

Rolly wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:It's interesting to me that Josh is frequently described here as arrogant.  Tonight I thought he was much less so than Marcus.  For instance, Josh commented that he "felt good about us" (which I take as self-confident) but he wasn't sure he would get the rose as he didn't know what was going on in her connections with the other guys whereas Marcus stated (paraphrasing) that while he didn't know what kind of connection Andi had with Josh he (Marcus) knew it wasn't as strong as the one they (he and Andi) had (which I see more as arrogance).  

I have to agree with this because I was thinking the same thing after Marcus' PI. I also agree with Alanna? who posted that Josh is a bit crazed but about Andi, and it showed what he described as his protectiveness for people he cares about.

I don't see Marcus being arrogant at all. First of all, you can never really know when these PI actually happen because TPTB slice and dice conversations so much. Maybe it happened later and they put it in now.....who knows. Besides I look at what Marcus said as similar to what Chris said about not caring so much about the other relationships because he trusted what he and Des had and how strong their relationship was. I think Marcus is adorable and should be the next Bachelor....JMO.   

I don't see the two comments as the same.  Marcus indicated that he was upset about not getting the rose and compared his relationship with Andi to Josh's with her by stating that he knew his relationship was much stronger (than hers with Josh).  

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I'd have to go back and watch it again but did Marcus specifically say his relationship with Andi was stronger than Josh's with Andi? And we don't really know when Marcus made that statement...maybe it was right before HT's.

So doc? How do you justify the way Josh jumped into the Andrew situation? I felt it was quite arrogant that he felt he needed to lead the charge when he wasn't even a witness to what supposedly happened.

Rolly wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:It's interesting to me that Josh is frequently described here as arrogant.  Tonight I thought he was much less so than Marcus.  For instance, Josh commented that he "felt good about us" (which I take as self-confident) but he wasn't sure he would get the rose as he didn't know what was going on in her connections with the other guys whereas Marcus stated (paraphrasing) that while he didn't know what kind of connection Andi had with Josh he (Marcus) knew it wasn't as strong as the one they (he and Andi) had (which I see more as arrogance).  

I have to agree with this because I was thinking the same thing after Marcus' PI. I also agree with Alanna? who posted that Josh is a bit crazed but about Andi, and it showed what he described as his protectiveness for people he cares about.

I don't see Marcus being arrogant at all. First of all, you can never really know when these PI actually happen because TPTB slice and dice conversations so much. Maybe it happened later and they put it in now.....who knows. Besides I look at what Marcus said as similar to what Chris said about not caring so much about the other relationships because he trusted what he and Des had and how strong their relationship was. I think Marcus is adorable and should be the next Bachelor....JMO.   

ITA with everything you said above. :Nod: 

luvlady345 wrote:I went back and watch the scene of the confrontation, if you look at it again and not concentrate on Josh, it was a lot more guys involved in this I was shocked that Nick V was also because the first time around I didn't notice him......

Exactly!  It sounds like They all knew about for over a week so why didn't anyone say anything to Andrew then?

IrishGal wrote:So doc?  How do you justify the way Josh jumped into the Andrew situation?  I felt it was quite arrogant that he felt he needed to lead the charge when he wasn't even a witness to what supposedly happened.

I don't know if he "jumped". JJ told him about it when JJ should have discussed it with Andrew when it happened. Josh's first question was to get Andrew's side of the story.

docnash14 wrote:

Rolly wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:It's interesting to me that Josh is frequently described here as arrogant.  Tonight I thought he was much less so than Marcus.  For instance, Josh commented that he "felt good about us" (which I take as self-confident) but he wasn't sure he would get the rose as he didn't know what was going on in her connections with the other guys whereas Marcus stated (paraphrasing) that while he didn't know what kind of connection Andi had with Josh he (Marcus) knew it wasn't as strong as the one they (he and Andi) had (which I see more as arrogance).  

I have to agree with this because I was thinking the same thing after Marcus' PI. I also agree with Alanna? who posted that Josh is a bit crazed but about Andi, and it showed what he described as his protectiveness for people he cares about.

I don't see Marcus being arrogant at all. First of all, you can never really know when these PI actually happen because TPTB slice and dice conversations so much. Maybe it happened later and they put it in now.....who knows. Besides I look at what Marcus said as similar to what Chris said about not caring so much about the other relationships because he trusted what he and Des had and how strong their relationship was. I think Marcus is adorable and should be the next Bachelor....JMO.   

I don't see the two comments as the same.  Marcus indicated that he was upset about not getting the rose and compared his relationship with Andi to Josh's with her by stating that he knew his relationship was much stronger (than hers with Josh).  

He maybe right since he gets the next 1 on 1 date after his and Andi's first kiss. That didn't happen with Josh after his first kiss. What did Andi tell Marcus when he told her he wanted to kiss her?

I thought that the producers set up the dates?

nannymargie wrote:I thought that the producers set up the dates?

With input from the lead.

2observe wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

Rolly wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:It's interesting to me that Josh is frequently described here as arrogant.  Tonight I thought he was much less so than Marcus.  For instance, Josh commented that he "felt good about us" (which I take as self-confident) but he wasn't sure he would get the rose as he didn't know what was going on in her connections with the other guys whereas Marcus stated (paraphrasing) that while he didn't know what kind of connection Andi had with Josh he (Marcus) knew it wasn't as strong as the one they (he and Andi) had (which I see more as arrogance).  

I have to agree with this because I was thinking the same thing after Marcus' PI. I also agree with Alanna? who posted that Josh is a bit crazed but about Andi, and it showed what he described as his protectiveness for people he cares about.

I don't see Marcus being arrogant at all. First of all, you can never really know when these PI actually happen because TPTB slice and dice conversations so much. Maybe it happened later and they put it in now.....who knows. Besides I look at what Marcus said as similar to what Chris said about not caring so much about the other relationships because he trusted what he and Des had and how strong their relationship was. I think Marcus is adorable and should be the next Bachelor....JMO.   

I don't see the two comments as the same.  Marcus indicated that he was upset about not getting the rose and compared his relationship with Andi to Josh's with her by stating that he knew his relationship was much stronger (than hers with Josh).  

He maybe right since he gets the next 1 on 1 date after his and Andi's first kiss.  That didn't happen with Josh after his first kiss.  What did Andi tell Marcus when he told her he wanted to kiss her?

She said "bout time".

2observe wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

Rolly wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:It's interesting to me that Josh is frequently described here as arrogant.  Tonight I thought he was much less so than Marcus.  For instance, Josh commented that he "felt good about us" (which I take as self-confident) but he wasn't sure he would get the rose as he didn't know what was going on in her connections with the other guys whereas Marcus stated (paraphrasing) that while he didn't know what kind of connection Andi had with Josh he (Marcus) knew it wasn't as strong as the one they (he and Andi) had (which I see more as arrogance).  

I have to agree with this because I was thinking the same thing after Marcus' PI. I also agree with Alanna? who posted that Josh is a bit crazed but about Andi, and it showed what he described as his protectiveness for people he cares about.

I don't see Marcus being arrogant at all. First of all, you can never really know when these PI actually happen because TPTB slice and dice conversations so much. Maybe it happened later and they put it in now.....who knows. Besides I look at what Marcus said as similar to what Chris said about not caring so much about the other relationships because he trusted what he and Des had and how strong their relationship was. I think Marcus is adorable and should be the next Bachelor....JMO.   

I don't see the two comments as the same.  Marcus indicated that he was upset about not getting the rose and compared his relationship with Andi to Josh's with her by stating that he knew his relationship was much stronger (than hers with Josh).  

He maybe right since he gets the next 1 on 1 date after his and Andi's first kiss.  That didn't happen with Josh after his first kiss.  What did Andi tell Marcus when he told her he wanted to kiss her?

"It's about time!". He was very sweet to ask one of my favorite moments last night..