Bachelor Canada - Season 2 - *Sleuthing - *Spoilers* - *Speculation* - Discussion

Sprite wrote:I know different people look to different things as an indication of who is F1...music, adrenaline dates, date order, edit and how it compares to other seasons, obvious vs not. To me all those things are suggestive. What I see as obvious, someone else sees as hidden...it all depends on your personal experiences and your personal perspective. To me the biggest thing that indicates who is F1 is the level of attraction. And by level of attraction I don't just mean the obvious physical attraction, but also how much of an interest the lead shows in what the person is saying and getting to know them, how they listen to that person, how they observe that person even if in group settings, how much of an effort do they make to draw that person out and comfort them when they are stressed, how does their interaction differ from others? Who is the lead chasing? They can try to edit it out as deemed necessary, but that attraction is always there. They will always leave some of it in because they have to in order to at least have some hints of romance. Everything else can be changed and varied each season, but the attraction must stay.

Many here are comparing this season with the last one. As much as Brad spoke about Whitney and his attraction to her last season, she was a cause of drama with the other women and he didn't like that. Yes, he was very attracted to her physically and many were worried he couldn't think straight with her, but he was not a fan of much of the drama she brought. He was attracted to Bianca and said from the start that he didn't think she was into him...hence why he was thinking of sending her home. He was worried about her feelings for him. He never expressed that about Whitney. He knew she was all about him and while he was very attracted initially, that attraction veined as the drama built up. (Kaylynn anyone?) This season, to me, Tim is about April. He chases her literally and figuratively. Nobody else. Nobody....at least up to this point. Now, that doesn't mean that things can't change as he gets to know everyone better, but they better change very fast since we are down to the nitty gritty and if it is anyone else, I couldn't image her being very happy about what we have seen thus far.

AllAboutLove wrote:

Sprite wrote:I know different people look to different things as an indication of who is F1...music, adrenaline dates, date order, edit and how it compares to other seasons, obvious vs not. To me all those things are suggestive. What I see as obvious, someone else sees as hidden...it all depends on your personal experiences and your personal perspective. To me the biggest thing that indicates who is F1 is the level of attraction. And by level of attraction I don't just mean the obvious physical attraction, but also how much of an interest the lead shows in what the person is saying and getting to know them, how they listen to that person, how they observe that person even if in group settings, how much of an effort do they make to draw that person out and comfort them when they are stressed, how does their interaction differ from others? Who is the lead chasing? They can try to edit it out as deemed necessary, but that attraction is always there. They will always leave some of it in because they have to in order to at least have some hints of romance. Everything else can be changed and varied each season, but the attraction must stay.

Many here are comparing this season with the last one. As much as Brad spoke about Whitney and his attraction to her last season, she was a cause of drama with the other women and he didn't like that. Yes, he was very attracted to her physically and many were worried he couldn't think straight with her, but he was not a fan of much of the drama she brought. He was attracted to Bianca and said from the start that he didn't think she was into him...hence why he was thinking of sending her home. He was worried about her feelings for him. He never expressed that about Whitney. He knew she was all about him and while he was very attracted initially, that attraction veined as the drama built up. (Kaylynn anyone?) This season, to me, Tim is about April. He chases her literally and figuratively. Nobody else. Nobody....at least up to this point. Now, that doesn't mean that things can't change as he gets to know everyone better, but they better change very fast since we are down to the nitty gritty and if it is anyone else, I couldn't image her being very happy about what we have seen thus far.

  Great post, Sprite! Love it!

Regarding the bold, like you, for me this is the key in regards to F1. Is the lead wanting to know more about the person and have her know more about him? Who is the lead chasing? Initially, like you said, it may be about physical connection/attraction, but the deeper connection, and the lead trying to bring that out, is what indicates who the F1 may be. The "will this work in the real world"... "is she as into me as I am into her?" chase. April is the only one that fits into being chased (as you said, literally and figuratively) and thus F1. 

Tim said he waited a long time to have his date with April in his HT and he also stated in his blog that it was to answer any of April's doubts/questions (fitting in his world, who he is, what makes him, him). He could sense her doubt but wanted her to open up and to trust him. He wanted to know more about her and to do so he showed more of himself. HTDs are usually where the lead gets to see if he fits into the world of one of the girls, the fact that Tim had a HTD of his own, shows he wanted someone (April) to see if they would want to fit in his world. He introduces April to his best friend+fiance and then on his own meets with his parents as well, in interviews stating that they saw his smile and knew he would have a positive ending? His HTD was actually Tim putting himself on the block, so to speak. April stated in her blog that she didn't want to meet his best friend, that it was 'unwanted' because it was too serious too fast. But she said that she was mistaken and it actually helped her learn more about Tim. And that was his point in doing that - to reveal more of himself to her in order to gain her trust and hopefully answer any questions/doubts she had about him. 

As obvious as it may seem that April is F1, it is obvious for the simple reason of who the lead is chasing. It is never about his doubts about the girl but about reassuring any doubts the girl may have about him (or the process). Brad has stated in his blogs that April makes Tim work for it and that is what guys do when they are truly interested. This courting ritual, of the guy chasing the girl, does not disappear just because one is on a show. If anything, it probably heightens that feeling in the lead, propels them to chase harder, faster, and sooner.

This male chasing woman scenario is centuries old, ingrained in the social fabric of male-female courtship. Put one man in a world of The Bachelor and that will come to the forefront, each and every time. No matter what else happens, it is the constant. Tim has shown thus far that he is chasing April... and April wants to be chased. 

Case in point: April's own intro on Episode 1, she says how it may be harder for a guy to get her but that she believes that she will be worth it for him in the end. There is playing hard to get and then there just is hard to get, based on hesitancy regarding the whole experience of being on a show to find love and/or one's past experiences. In April's case, a 7 yr relationship where her trust was betrayed shows this girl can commit (she thought she would marry her ex/7 years is a long time) so she won't go into anything rushed. It is important to note that, given what we know from what we saw (Tim+April at his life-changing spot) and her blog (April meeting Tim's best friend) how they ended their date... Tim tells her he wants her to stick around and then asks her "do you want to stick around?" He had just given her a day of being in 'the life of Tim' and was still chasing her...

Aunties_Love wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

Sprite wrote:I know different people look to different things as an indication of who is F1...music, adrenaline dates, date order, edit and how it compares to other seasons, obvious vs not. To me all those things are suggestive. What I see as obvious, someone else sees as hidden...it all depends on your personal experiences and your personal perspective. To me the biggest thing that indicates who is F1 is the level of attraction. And by level of attraction I don't just mean the obvious physical attraction, but also how much of an interest the lead shows in what the person is saying and getting to know them, how they listen to that person, how they observe that person even if in group settings, how much of an effort do they make to draw that person out and comfort them when they are stressed, how does their interaction differ from others? Who is the lead chasing? They can try to edit it out as deemed necessary, but that attraction is always there. They will always leave some of it in because they have to in order to at least have some hints of romance. Everything else can be changed and varied each season, but the attraction must stay.

Many here are comparing this season with the last one. As much as Brad spoke about Whitney and his attraction to her last season, she was a cause of drama with the other women and he didn't like that. Yes, he was very attracted to her physically and many were worried he couldn't think straight with her, but he was not a fan of much of the drama she brought. He was attracted to Bianca and said from the start that he didn't think she was into him...hence why he was thinking of sending her home. He was worried about her feelings for him. He never expressed that about Whitney. He knew she was all about him and while he was very attracted initially, that attraction veined as the drama built up. (Kaylynn anyone?) This season, to me, Tim is about April. He chases her literally and figuratively. Nobody else. Nobody....at least up to this point. Now, that doesn't mean that things can't change as he gets to know everyone better, but they better change very fast since we are down to the nitty gritty and if it is anyone else, I couldn't image her being very happy about what we have seen thus far.

  Great post, Sprite! Love it!

Regarding the bold, like you, for me this is the key in regards to F1. Is the lead wanting to know more about the person and have her know more about him? Who is the lead chasing? Initially, like you said, it may be about physical connection/attraction, but the deeper connection, and the lead trying to bring that out, is what indicates who the F1 may be. The "will this work in the real world"... "is she as into me as I am into her?" chase. April is the only one that fits into being chased (as you said, literally and figuratively) and thus F1. 

Tim said he waited a long time to have his date with April in his HT and he also stated in his blog that it was to answer any of April's doubts/questions (fitting in his world, who he is, what makes him, him). He could sense her doubt but wanted her to open up and to trust him. He wanted to know more about her and to do so he showed more of himself. HTDs are usually where the lead gets to see if he fits into the world of one of the girls, the fact that Tim had a HTD of his own, shows he wanted someone (April) to see if they would want to fit in his world. He introduces April to his best friend+fiance and then on his own meets with his parents as well, in interviews stating that they saw his smile and knew he would have a positive ending? His HTD was actually Tim putting himself on the block, so to speak. April stated in her blog that she didn't want to meet his best friend, that it was 'unwanted' because it was too serious too fast. But she said that she was mistaken and it actually helped her learn more about Tim. And that was his point in doing that - to reveal more of himself to her in order to gain her trust and hopefully answer any questions/doubts she had about him. 

As obvious as it may seem that April is F1, it is obvious for the simple reason of who the lead is chasing. It is never about his doubts about the girl but about reassuring any doubts the girl may have about him (or the process). Brad has stated in his blogs that April makes Tim work for it and that is what guys do when they are truly interested. This courting ritual, of the guy chasing the girl, does not disappear just because one is on a show. If anything, it probably heightens that feeling in the lead, propels them to chase harder, faster, and sooner.

This male chasing woman scenario is centuries old, ingrained in the social fabric of male-female courtship. Put one man in a world of The Bachelor and that will come to the forefront, each and every time. No matter what else happens, it is the constant. Tim has shown thus far that he is chasing April... and April wants to be chased. 

Case in point: April's own intro on Episode 1, she says how it may be harder for a guy to get her but that she believes that she will be worth it for him in the end. There is playing hard to get and then there just is hard to get, based on hesitancy regarding the whole experience of being on a show to find love and/or one's past experiences. In April's case, a 7 yr relationship where her trust was betrayed shows this girl can commit (she thought she would marry her ex/7 years is a long time) so she won't go into anything rushed. It is important to note that, given what we know from what we saw (Tim+April at his life-changing spot) and her blog (April meeting Tim's best friend) how they ended their date... Tim tells her he wants her to stick around and then asks her "do you want to stick around?" He had just given her a day of being in 'the life of Tim' and was still chasing her...

The fact that the Canadian franchise is different from the USA one complete with different editors, producers, production company and how they edited season one was different than how the USA edits their seasons.  For that reason among others, I feel that we can't use "blanket" editing tricks.  editing meaning who says what about whom - this includes what the lead says as well as the ladies.  For that reason, are we getting the true edit?  In season 1, Brad kept talking about his connection with Whitney, his feelings towards her, how they connected from beginning to end and so much more.  With that in mind, to me, it goes along what Tim is being edited to say with April.  When it came down to Brad telling Whitney about his history(the backstory on the tattoo and him crying), etc, it was all with the same words/phrases that Tim used on April with regards to letting her in with him.  So much of how April is being edited with regards to the back story, how Tim wants to let her in so that she will open up to him is exactly what Brad said about Whitney.  If that's the case, it really doesn't lend well to April being F1.

Aunties_Love wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:

Sprite wrote:I know different people look to different things as an indication of who is F1...music, adrenaline dates, date order, edit and how it compares to other seasons, obvious vs not. To me all those things are suggestive. What I see as obvious, someone else sees as hidden...it all depends on your personal experiences and your personal perspective. To me the biggest thing that indicates who is F1 is the level of attraction. And by level of attraction I don't just mean the obvious physical attraction, but also how much of an interest the lead shows in what the person is saying and getting to know them, how they listen to that person, how they observe that person even if in group settings, how much of an effort do they make to draw that person out and comfort them when they are stressed, how does their interaction differ from others? Who is the lead chasing? They can try to edit it out as deemed necessary, but that attraction is always there. They will always leave some of it in because they have to in order to at least have some hints of romance. Everything else can be changed and varied each season, but the attraction must stay.

Many here are comparing this season with the last one. As much as Brad spoke about Whitney and his attraction to her last season, she was a cause of drama with the other women and he didn't like that. Yes, he was very attracted to her physically and many were worried he couldn't think straight with her, but he was not a fan of much of the drama she brought. He was attracted to Bianca and said from the start that he didn't think she was into him...hence why he was thinking of sending her home. He was worried about her feelings for him. He never expressed that about Whitney. He knew she was all about him and while he was very attracted initially, that attraction veined as the drama built up. (Kaylynn anyone?) This season, to me, Tim is about April. He chases her literally and figuratively. Nobody else. Nobody....at least up to this point. Now, that doesn't mean that things can't change as he gets to know everyone better, but they better change very fast since we are down to the nitty gritty and if it is anyone else, I couldn't image her being very happy about what we have seen thus far.

  Great post, Sprite! Love it!

Regarding the bold, like you, for me this is the key in regards to F1. Is the lead wanting to know more about the person and have her know more about him? Who is the lead chasing? Initially, like you said, it may be about physical connection/attraction, but the deeper connection, and the lead trying to bring that out, is what indicates who the F1 may be. The "will this work in the real world"... "is she as into me as I am into her?" chase. April is the only one that fits into being chased (as you said, literally and figuratively) and thus F1. 

Tim said he waited a long time to have his date with April in his HT and he also stated in his blog that it was to answer any of April's doubts/questions (fitting in his world, who he is, what makes him, him). He could sense her doubt but wanted her to open up and to trust him. He wanted to know more about her and to do so he showed more of himself. HTDs are usually where the lead gets to see if he fits into the world of one of the girls, the fact that Tim had a HTD of his own, shows he wanted someone (April) to see if they would want to fit in his world. He introduces April to his best friend+fiance and then on his own meets with his parents as well, in interviews stating that they saw his smile and knew he would have a positive ending? His HTD was actually Tim putting himself on the block, so to speak. April stated in her blog that she didn't want to meet his best friend, that it was 'unwanted' because it was too serious too fast. But she said that she was mistaken and it actually helped her learn more about Tim. And that was his point in doing that - to reveal more of himself to her in order to gain her trust and hopefully answer any questions/doubts she had about him. 

As obvious as it may seem that April is F1, it is obvious for the simple reason of who the lead is chasing. It is never about his doubts about the girl but about reassuring any doubts the girl may have about him (or the process). Brad has stated in his blogs that April makes Tim work for it and that is what guys do when they are truly interested. This courting ritual, of the guy chasing the girl, does not disappear just because one is on a show. If anything, it probably heightens that feeling in the lead, propels them to chase harder, faster, and sooner.

This male chasing woman scenario is centuries old, ingrained in the social fabric of male-female courtship. Put one man in a world of The Bachelor and that will come to the forefront, each and every time. No matter what else happens, it is the constant. Tim has shown thus far that he is chasing April... and April wants to be chased. 

Case in point: April's own intro on Episode 1, she says how it may be harder for a guy to get her but that she believes that she will be worth it for him in the end. There is playing hard to get and then there just is hard to get, based on hesitancy regarding the whole experience of being on a show to find love and/or one's past experiences. In April's case, a 7 yr relationship where her trust was betrayed shows this girl can commit (she thought she would marry her ex/7 years is a long time) so she won't go into anything rushed. It is important to note that, given what we know from what we saw (Tim+April at his life-changing spot) and her blog (April meeting Tim's best friend) how they ended their date... Tim tells her he wants her to stick around and then asks her "do you want to stick around?" He had just given her a day of being in 'the life of Tim' and was still chasing her...

The fact that the Canadian franchise is different from the USA one complete with different editors, producers, production company and how they edited season one was different than how the USA edits their seasons.  For that reason among others, I feel that we can't use "blanket" editing tricks.  editing meaning who says what about whom - this includes what the lead says as well as the ladies.  For that reason, are we getting the true edit?  In season 1, Brad kept talking about his connection with Whitney, his feelings towards her, how they connected from beginning to end and so much more.  With that in mind, to me, it goes along what Tim is being edited to say with April.  When it came down to Brad telling Whitney about his history(the backstory on the tattoo and him crying), etc, it was all with the same words/phrases that Tim used on April with regards to letting her in with him.  So much of how April is being edited with regards to the back story, how Tim wants to let her in so that she will open up to him is exactly what Brad said about Whitney.  If that's the case, it really doesn't lend well to April being F1.

4health wrote:AllAboutLove, great post....I didn't quote because it was getting long LOL.  

My questions that still give me pause are:

! - Why only show April in Moorea?  We know now that Trisha gets a pretty romantic date next week and not one SC was ever shown but Sachelle's was and if April's 1:1 (Tim's hometown) was so special why have it all over the previews?    and Tim didn't really mention anything special.  (not wanting to give anything away?)  

2 - I noticed in Tim's blogs when he talks about his dates and 1:1 time etc. he doesn't mention the girls last name, but twice he has mentioned April's dates (photoshot and Toronto) he states April Brockman.  Why so formal?  

3 - Also I noticed reading the blogs that Trisha's blogs are very short compared to the others.  She isn't really giving things away.  Intentional or just her style?

I know there are a few more but just having some fun~!

"April Brockman and I had a date." http://www.bachelorcanada.ca/this-is-getting-real/

Sprite wrote:^^ I appreciate all your effort 4health. I am looking forward to what you have about April tomorrow...or should I say later today.

One thing I want to say for myself...I see a connection with everyone left...it's just not necessarily a romantic connection. To that point, you quoted Tim talking about Trish..."I want to know if there is any seriousness beyond that" and "I guess what I am looking for from Trish is if that goes any deeper". To me this is typical, generic, Bachelor speak and is basically a diplomatic way of saying "I don't see anything there right now and doubt that anything can develop but, I have a show to do so I have to pretend to give it a try". but you missed where he states on camera "I can build a life with"....I did VOs because that is where editing comes into play. Also the comment you stated was a PI and you don't know when this was done and edited there to make the 2:1 decision look tough....it wasn't a ITM so for you to come to the conclusion is making a pretty big leap in my book.

I don't know if I can explain this so that it makes sense to others...it is so much easier making sense in my own head...but, when I look for signs if someone is a potential F1, I am looking for more direct and positive type clues. By that I mean that ideally I look for the lead speaking to the camera and saying a name. VO's can be edited more easily and taken out of context, although, if they include a name and are shown over the person being talked about, usually it signifies that they are trying to tell us something about the plot/relationship. But it's not just what is said. It is how it is said...tone, facial expression, body language. That is why direct interaction with the camera is the best.

When the lead is talking about someone, I look for more positive statements about them vs. more questioning. For example, the two quotes above are negative clues for me. They express doubt that there is anything there vs positive clues which are more hopeful. So saying, "I want so and so to open up to me" indicates that the lead is interested in that person and it is important for the lead to get to know that person. Saying "I can see/imagine what my life with X will be like" is also showing that the lead can see a longer term potential with that person. Hearing that "this relationship is developing slower than the rest" is usually the kiss of death in Bachelor speak.  [color=#ff3333]I understand your thought process but when Tim says that this 2:1 date in a big decision because he will be thinking if he can spend a life with that person is what he was also making his decision on which I take as a pretty big deal and not so scripted.   Bianka was 2:1 recipient and look how that turned out ..... in his blog he says "Trisha and I made a connection that day and as hard as it was to see Rileigh off on the boat, I knew I had made the right decision...so I don't think it was a kiss of death situation for Trisha JMO color]

It's not an exact science and as I said, I'm not sure if I can fully explain my reasoning...particularly when I have to type it all out rather than just have a conversation with someone. It makes sense and works for me. The rest of you....you're on your own.