Juan Pablo Galavis - Nikki Ferrell - Bachelor 18 - Discussion

Amberish wrote:I agree, but since we're on the subject, Jason and Molly's podcast had a different take than Nikki.

Instead, they believe Nick took it really hard and Molly actually said, "stalkerish", because he followed Andi to Mexico. At first, they mentioned the only way Nick would know about Andi being in Mexico was from producers, but then decided, no, because production would want to film the two talking to each other; Thus, Nick had to have learned about the Mexico trip from Andi's twitter.

Jason and Molly talked about how fantasy date sex is always alluded to, but no one has actually said it and Nick was a jerk to have gone there. Although Jason and Molly are not at all shy about pointing at production, they didn't and pointed directly at Nick.

Molly has been harsh on Nick the whole season and Jason has a huge man crush on Josh. Jason and Molly have their opinions just like everyone else. Why is it okay for Molly to call Nick stalkerish, but horrible that Nikki tweeted what she did? To me either both should be okay or both wrong.

I also want to say that what each of us is comfortable with in our relationships is different. My hubby was gone all week and will leave again the end of next week for another week. He was on the road for five calendar months last year. Is it perfect? Nope. Do I miss him? Yes. Is his job an important part of him and so part of loving him is accepting that this is important to him and being secure and okay enough alone to handle it? Yes. We knew from the beginning that if we were to last I would have to be okay with his travel schedule. I wasn't sure if I could be, but it turned out I don't hate being alone and I really appreciate when I have him even more.

My bff needs a lot more reassurance than I do, so it would never work for her. I have gotten used to this and think someone too clingy would feel smothering now.

Jason and Molly are not close friends with Andi. Nikki is, and that would be why it's not ok, unless, of course, if what Nikki really meant to say is that Nick is a loser/idiot lacking a mind of his own?

Nonetheless, Nick told ET producers had nothing to do with what he talked about.

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http://www.etonline.com/media/video/the_bachelorette_did_producers_tell_nick_to_sex_shame_andi-149085/index.html

Never realized before, but is seems that Nikki is just another big mouth, Reality TV, crazy. So disappointing.

Amberish wrote:Jason and Molly are not close friends with Andi. Nikki is, and that would be why it's not ok, unless, of course, if what Nikki really meant to say is that Nick is a loser/idiot lacking a mind of his own?

Nonetheless, Nick told ET producers had nothing to do with what he talked about.



http://www.etonline.com/media/video/the_bachelorette_did_producers_tell_nick_to_sex_shame_andi-149085/index.html

Never realized before, but is seems that Nikki is just another big mouth, Reality TV, crazy. So disappointing.

Okay, then let me put it to you this way. JPG is and was Nikki's boyfriend the whole time that Andi criticized and made fun of him. So if that makes it better Andi started it!

I didn't think Nikki's tweet had much to do with Andi or Nick. I thought she was trying to bash the producers and that's all.

I think she was bashing the producers. RS calls her a hypocrite because they apparently bent over backwards for her during her season, but it's kind of obvious that their treatment toward her boyfriend kinda negated all that (to Nikki).

Amberish wrote:

FLChica wrote:I seem to recall that Molly was praised for maintaining a long distance relationship with Jason while they worked things out.  In each case there was a lot of negative media attention and a child involved.  How is this so different?

Jason and Molly maintained their long distance relationship by seeing each other practically every weekend. JP and Nikki were seeing each other frequently, but they've slowed down. IMO, slowing down isn't a good sign.

Jason and Molly ignored the media and the negative attention and, as I recall, updated their fans about their lives on Jason's private website. Jason's son, Tye, was deliberately removed from the limelight after Jason's show wrapped. For example, although Tye was part of the wedding, he wasn't shown on TV or published photos. Tye's parents didn't want their son exposed to growing up on TV.

I don't remember Jason and Molly feeding into the negative like Juan Pablo and Nikki have and that may be another difference between the two couples.

I think we'd all agree social media was quite different in January 2009 when Jason's season started airing, over 5 1/2 years ago. But Jason and Molly documented every step of their ATFR "journey" together to the point many wondered if they would allow Riley's birth to be shown on tv. I'm not knocking them for doing so because they were well compensated in return for giving up their privacy.  They continue to profit from their Bachelor experience i.e. their podcast, so no biting the hand that continues to feed them for the Mesnicks.

Had to chuckle over Jason and Molly saying sex in the fantasy suite was always alluded to, but not talked about.  I guess she's talking about straddling Jason while wearing a bikini and rubbing him down with oil.  Yeah, that was a subtle hint as to what was going to happen when the cameras stopped rolling. 

As to the difference between the two couples and their long distance relationship, I suspect their respective employment factors into this as well.  Jason hadn't been "traditionally" employed since he started on MeAnna's season and I don't think Molly ever went back to Kohl's.  A little more challenging when JPG travels constantly in the same job he's always held and Nikki continues on in the nursing profession. 

As to Nikki's tweet about Nick, I must say she's been much more supportive in SM to MeandI than MeandI has to her.  I interpreted her remark to be a slam against production and not Nick.  But this is all just my opinion.

Jason's job remains traditional and I'm sure you will be relieved to learn that despite some EXTREMELY MENTALLY ILL fans that that staged a campaign, organized over at Misfits, aimed at pressuring Kohl's to fire Molly didn't work. In fact, she only left Kohl's corporate when moving to Seattle.

Jason and Molly is a classy couple that immediately reached out to JP and Nikki after their ATFR, encouraging them to focus on the positive. Obviously doing so is difficult, but perhaps Nikki will be able to contain herself in the future? I'm hopeful.

Amberish wrote:snipped

Never realized before, but is seems that Nikki is just another big mouth, Reality TV, crazy. So disappointing.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Nikki has tweeted less than a handfull, if that, of tweets bachelor related, most of them supporting Andi. All the other tweets are normal everyday life tweets.

She is IMO a sweet caring Registered Nurse who is adored by her little very sick young patients. There are plenty of pictures related to her job, charity events and with JPG. She is IMO if far from a big mouth, especially comparing to some of the other contestants that have come off this show.

Amberish wrote:Jason's job remains traditional and I'm sure you will be relieved to learn that despite some EXTREMELY MENTALLY ILL fans that that staged a campaign, organized over at Misfits, aimed at pressuring Kohl's to fire Molly didn't work. In fact, she only left Kohl's corporate when moving to Seattle.

Jason and Molly is a classy couple that immediately reached out to JP and Nikki after their ATFR, encouraging them to focus on the positive. Obviously doing so is difficult, but perhaps Nikki will be able to contain herself in the future? I'm hopeful.

I'm sure you will be relieved to know that these statements are an outright lie...

And "ditto" GA

Amberish wrote:Jason's job remains traditional and I'm sure you will be relieved to learn that despite some EXTREMELY MENTALLY ILL fans that that staged a campaign, organized over at Misfits, aimed at pressuring Kohl's to fire Molly didn't work. In fact, she only left Kohl's corporate when moving to Seattle.

Jason and Molly is a classy couple that immediately reached out to JP and Nikki after their ATFR, encouraging them to focus on the positive. Obviously doing so is difficult, but perhaps Nikki will be able to contain herself in the future? I'm hopeful.

Thank you for your concern and attempt to provide me with "relief" with this information, but I don't have any concerns over former contestants on this show as they are strangers to me.  I watch this show for entertainment. I don't stalk contestants on social media, join their personal websites or buy whatever trinkets they sell.  I learn most of what I know (so to speak) from reading what is posted here.  If some crazy fans tried to get Molly fired from her former job, that's news to me and way more information than I need or want.

I initially made a comparison between the two couples as JPG and Jason are the only two Bachelor-dads and both seasons were controversial.  Both couples had long distance relationships.  The comment the Mesnicks made about the fantasy suite seemed like the pot calling the kettle black, so to speak.  (I'm presuming the comments they made were correctly stated here as I've never listened to their podcast.)  

Nikki seems like a lovely person, dedicated to caring for her patients and developing her relationship with JPG.  She can and should respond to strangers blasting her on social media in any way she chooses.  She is also free to comment on the bachelor franchise or any other topic she chooses.  I simply didn't interpret her comment as an indictment of Nick.

GuardianAngel wrote:

Amberish wrote:snipped

Never realized before, but is seems that Nikki is just another big mouth, Reality TV, crazy. So disappointing.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Nikki has tweeted less than a handfull, if that, of tweets bachelor related, most of them supporting Andi. All the other tweets are normal everyday life tweets.

She is IMO a sweet caring Registered Nurse who is adored by her little very sick young patients. There are plenty of pictures related to her job, charity events and with JPG. She is IMO if far from a big mouth, especially comparing to some of the other contestants that have come off this show.

Nikki is not THE big mouth crazy ... she's just another one of them. And, I find that sad and am really disappointed.

I've defended this woman. I've even admired her. She may be a nurse and she may work for Children's, but that doesn't entitle her to a free pass when she happens to tweet something that is classless, completely uncalled for and, even, stupid.

Her remark was intended to be spiteful and hurtful towards producers and, clearly, she didn't give a damn that she was also taking a pot shot at her good friend Andi.

That's just not cool and shouldn't be swept under the rug for it's giving us more insight as to who Nikki really is.

Amberish wrote:I agree, but since we're on the subject, Jason and Molly's podcast had a different take than Nikki.

Instead, they believe Nick took it really hard and Molly actually said, "stalkerish", because he followed Andi to Mexico. At first, they mentioned the only way Nick would know about Andi being in Mexico was from producers, but then decided, no, because production would want to film the two talking to each other; Thus, Nick had to have learned about the Mexico trip from Andi's twitter.

Jason and Molly talked about how fantasy date sex is always alluded to, but no one has actually said it and Nick was a jerk to have gone there. Although Jason and Molly are not at all shy about pointing at production, they didn't and pointed directly at Nick.

They actually did. Because, about 21 minutes into the podcast, they said "Everybody - all the producers - they probably ALL knew it was coming except for her" (regarding the "making love" comment). Also, I didn't hear them call him a jerk. They did say that he came of "very stalker-like" and awkward.