Re: Juan Pablo & Nikki Ferrell General Discussion - Fan Forum

[Mustang19]

LOVE that song! It just makes you want to get up and move! Cute video. :)

[Isabel123]

"All eyes were fixated on the newest couple, Juan Pablo and Nikki Ferrell, as Nikki cheered for her man in a very enticing pink dress which complimented her wavy blond locks. Despite losing in the semi-finals, when the Pharrell Williams “Happy” came on, Juan Pablo danced playfully for her, magnanimously gifting her a crystallized jeroboam of Moët that he had won."
http://www.examiner.com/article/style-serves-up-at-tiny-tennis-tournament?cid=rss

Gee, would have loved vid or pic of the happy dance     

I also would love to see that happy dance!   

Me too. This is a different side of JPG. Wish they have shown more of this playful JPG in the show rather than all those drama. :dancing peg: 

[iamreal2u]

If they did, JuanPa and Nikki would have taken over as the "Bachelor power couple". They look really good together.

[Isabel123]

If they did, JuanPa and Nikki would have taken over as the "Bachelor power couple".  They look really good together.

I agree with the bolded. Both parties could have a win-win situation (JPG and TPTB) if only the production made an extra effort to make the finale more romantic and CH did not kept on badgering JPG. I have rewatched the  ATFR and i was laughing at the scene where CH was clearly pissed off and about to get up from his chair and the camera zoom in to JPG and Nikki having their private moments, kissing, rubbing noses, laughing and then the camera went back to CH  storming off from the set. It was so funny, i haven't noticed that when the ATFR was aired coz i'm only focusing on the awkwardness. If only i knew how to copy the video, i will bring it over here.

BTW, you mentioned  that you would like to have an avatar of the pic you posted in the No discussion thread. I know how to create avatars but i don't know how to bring it over in the thread. I'm having problem with the file name and can only open the file directly from my PC. I have attached a link you can use in creating an avatar. Here it is: http://www.shrinkpictures.com/create-avatar/. This is a simple process. Hope this helps.

[iamreal2u]

If they did, JuanPa and Nikki would have taken over as the "Bachelor power couple".  They look really good together.

I agree with the bolded. Both parties could have a win-win situation (JPG and TPTB) if only the production made an extra effort to make the finale more romantic and CH did not kept on badgering JPG. I have rewatched the  ATFR and i was laughing at the scene where CH was clearly pissed off and about to get up from his chair and the camera zoom in to JPG and Nikki having their private moments, kissing, rubbing noses, laughing and then the camera went back to CH  storming off from the set. It was so funny, i haven't noticed that when the ATFR was aired coz i'm only focusing on the awkwardness. If only i knew how to copy the video, i will bring it over here.

BTW, you mentioned  that you would like to have an avatar of the pic you posted in the No discussion thread. I know how to create avatars but i don't know how to bring it over in the thread. I'm having problem with the file name and can only open the file directly from my PC. I have attached a link you can use in creating an avatar. Here it is: http://www.shrinkpictures.com/create-avatar/. This is a simple process. Hope this helps.

Big thanks Isabel. It worked. Yeah….

[iamreal2u]

If they did, JuanPa and Nikki would have taken over as the "Bachelor power couple".  They look really good together.

I agree with the bolded. Both parties could have a win-win situation (JPG and TPTB) if only the production made an extra effort to make the finale more romantic and CH did not kept on badgering JPG. I have rewatched the  ATFR and i was laughing at the scene where CH was clearly pissed off and about to get up from his chair and the camera zoom in to JPG and Nikki having their private moments, kissing, rubbing noses, laughing and then the camera went back to CH  storming off from the set. It was so funny, i haven't noticed that when the ATFR was aired coz i'm only focusing on the awkwardness. If only i knew how to copy the video, i will bring it over here.

BTW, you mentioned  that you would like to have an avatar of the pic you posted in the No discussion thread. I know how to create avatars but i don't know how to bring it over in the thread. I'm having problem with the file name and can only open the file directly from my PC. I have attached a link you can use in creating an avatar. Here it is: http://www.shrinkpictures.com/create-avatar/. This is a simple process. Hope this helps.

TPTB are to heavily invested in Sean and Catherine at this point to have JuanPa and Nikki take over, especially if TPTB are not sure if they will make it to a wedding.

[Carolina2020]

The REAL Juan Pablo Galavis and Nikki Ferrell

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March 20, 2014

Elizabeth Carroll


The Marriage Boot Camp we use games, drills, and exercises to illustrate, teach, and help people grow. We are  able to understand more about a person by how they play a game than years of talk therapy will ever show.

Do you play with integrity, or do you cheat? Can you handle frustration? Are you overly competitive? Do you give up quickly? Are you selfish? Are you a team player? Do you blame? These questions can be better answered by observing how a person behaves more clearly and what a person says.

On Tuesday Jim and I had the privilege of having lunch with Juan Pablo Galavis and Nikki Ferrell, The newest Bachelor couple, and we got to see them in action, but you might not know that by how the lunch has been reported.

On Wednesday, Jim and I labored through five separate interviews with five different magazines about our lunch with Juan Pablo and Nikki. All of the different media outlets presented the information accurately but left out one incident that I thought was significant so I’m using this blog to give you, as the say, the rest of the story.

As we were in the midst of an intense conversation, our lunch was interrupted by a little girl. She was about six years old and she came and stood at our table, awkwardly glancing up then looking at her feet and didn’t say a word.  Jim and I looked at each other and before we could do anything, Juan Pablo jumped up, went over to the little girl, got eye level with her and with a big smile said, “did you want our autograph”?  She nodded shyly and equally spontaneously, Nikki jumped up and joined in the interaction. They chatted with her about the Bachelor and the little girl excitedly told them that she rooted for Nikki all season long since they are from the same state. They took pictures then scrambled for paper so that Juan Pablo and Nikki could give her a real autograph. Juan Pablo hugged her and kissed her on the cheek and I thought she was going to die for having been kissed by Prince Charming. Then just as quickly Juan Pablo and Nikki rejoined the lunch conversation and we picked up where we left off.

This little vignette told me more about Juan Pablo and Nikki than two and a half hours of conversation. They are sweet, authentic, big-hearted people. They are also not without flaws.  Many of the things that they have been criticized for have some grounding in behavior. Juan Pablo is a strong, aggressive man. He is opinionated and is used to being in control. These character traits indicate the gift of leadership but, if not tempered by compassion, could also make you obnoxious and self absorbed. Nikki is very soft, nurturing and supportive. These character traits indicate the gift of mercy and compassion and if not tempered by strength and competence, could turn you into a doormat under enough stress.

Every one of us would show our less-than-attractive side if we had cameras following us around 24/7, for weeks on end, trust me, I know from experience. I thank God every day that I lived out my early adulthood before the internet.  Also, every one of us has the opportunity to become more than we are today.

The key is this: Iron sharpens Iron. Use all the junk that life throws at you as an opportunity to be sharpened. Never be a victim. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Look for the small kernels of truth. Then learn to forgive. Release the people who have harmed you so that YOU can be free.

It is our humble opinion that there is sufficient maturity, openness, and willingness to grow to make this a powerful, and healthy relationship. Add to this a growing faith in God, and you have all of the ingredients necessary for a happy, long-lasting relationship. I pray that Juan Pablo and Nikki use their celebrity to advance their gifts and impact others for good.

May God expand your influence for good and continue to bless your relationships!

Awwwww...great article Mommyof1. Thanks for posting!

[Isabel123]

This blog was retweeted by JPG and commented "very smart analysis, almost 80% right." For some reason, the tweet is not showing if i'm using my laptop but the tweet is visible if i'm using my phone.

Try to read, this a good recap of the finale and ATFR with the bloggers insights.

http://bachelorblogger.blogspot.ca/2014/03/juan-pablo-finale-first-for-eighth-time.html

Juan Pablo finale: A first!... for the eighth time

Here it is, the lonely corner of the interweb that will (still) defend Juan Pablo against mass hysteria. I don't know if I'm ready for the backlash amongst my 8 readers but I'll risk it.


As you all know by now, Juan Pablo shocked the nation by selecting Nikki but not proposing to her. For shame! As Chris Harrison said in the wrap-up, in 12 years, "This is a Bachelor first."

What's that? It's not? Was Chris Harrison lying to us? Misrepresenting things? Being intentionally ambiguous about what, specifically, was a "first"? Here's a quick run-down of past non-engagements:

Season 1: Alex Michel did not propose to winner Amanda Marsh, but they entered into a relationship (that didn't last).
Season 4: The beloved Bob Guiney (the fat Bachelor) did not propose to winner Estella Gardinier, but they decided they'd still date (it didn't last).
Season 5: Jesse Palmer, the Canadian NFL player, did not propose to winner Jessica Bowlin, but continued to date (but not for very long).
Season 7: Charlie O'Connell, the actor, did not propose to winner Sarah Brice, but they started an on-off relationship (that ended in the off position).
Season 8: Dr. Travis Lane Stork did not propose to winner Sarah Stone, but they entered into a relationship (which didn't last).
Season 9: Prince Lorenzo Borghese did not propose to winner Jennifer Wilson, but they entered into a relationship (that fizzled out).
Season 11: Brad Womack did not propose to either of the two finalists.
Source: Wikipedia

So there you have it. There is precedence. Now, all those relationship above didn't last, so the odds are Juan Pablo and Nikki will call it quits in the not-too-distant future, too. But if we're going with stats and percentages, of the other 10 Bachelor finales that resulted in proposals, there have been two marriages (one only recently and one with the runner-up, not the winner). Of the remaining 8, only one lasted longer than a year. So chances are these latest two are doomed anyway.

So what did Chris Harrison mean when he kept telling us it was the most controversial finale in Bachelor history? Well, for starters, nothing because he says that every year. But I don't even see how it's in any way arguable this was the most controversial, given the other seven I itemized above. Truthfully, I don't remember if the other fellas avoided the L-word, but they certainly weren't subjected to the same question over and over again. Why was it so inconceivable for Chris Harrison (and the viewing public) to think someone might not be in love after only ten weeks yet still really like the person and want to continue a relationship?

But let's backtrack and rehash the episode because that's what I do.

Clare was the first to meet Juan Pablo's family in the exotic locale of Saint Lucia, which, Juan Pablo's mom insisted, looked so much like Venezuela. Clare proved she had the right motherly instincts by remarking, "How adorable was Juan Pablo with his daughter? So hot, though. I feel like it makes him that much sexier." Meanwhile, the villain Juan Pablo is just so shallow.

Throughout the dates, we were shown an almost black box in the corner where, if we looked carefully, we could see the disapproving head shakes and sideways glances of the live studio audience, all fed raw meat.

Juan Pablo's family was there to support him 100 percent. "He's hyperactive," his mom told Clare. "He's sometimes very rude," she also said.

JP's dad had a bit of a crush on Clare, I think. He held her hand throughout his talk with her and told her he loves her. Clare was swept up in the emotion: "He's a true gentleman. I see where Juan Pablo gets it," she said. Or so she thought.

Then it was Nikki's turn. To meet her new in-laws, she wore a cute little halter-top-type thing that showed off the tattooed bird flying into her armpit. No hand-holding with the dad for Nikki. He told her that Juan Pablo is "not an easy guy" and "he thinks he knows the truth in everything." JP's cousin told her that JP will "walk away when things get rough." The mom asked Nikki how she envisioned a weekend with her man. Nikki talked about taking Camila to the beach or other such fun activities. JP's mom set her straight: On the weekends, she'll be staying home watching TV. Very simple, she said.

The studio audience was predictably aghast, already ready to see everything through Andi's tinted glasses. One female told Harrison "this is going south fast." Kelly the dog lady thought both contestants were "ignoring red flags."


We were further primed about what was to come by Harrison who told us, "What's about to happen will surprise all of you... It's nothing like you've ever seen on The Bachelor before." In a nutshell, Clare and Juan Pablo would go on a date, there'd be a misunderstanding, they'd talk about it, and Clare would be satisfied with the conversation. Surprising!

Here's how it played out. The infamous Bachelor chopper made its season debut. It used to be an almost weekly sight. Now it's brought out just for momentous occasions like this.

Even though the two are wired all the time with body microphones and a cameraman accompanied them on their flight, apparently at some point there were no cameras or mics and Juan Pablo used this moment to whisper something inappropriate to Clare. She wouldn't reveal all, but a big part of it was that he felt they didn't know each other. I know, right?! The nerve of him! Very offensive. The other part was probably along the lines of something a male might say to a female he's already had sex with that could be interpreted as sexy or flirtatious in most circumstances. But regardless, Clare found it so offensive she didn't say anything about it to him on the date.

She was confused because she felt like a physical object. "If he can't tell me that he knows me well and this relationship goes further than a physical connection, I'm outta here," she threatened.

When Juan Pablo dropped by her hotel room, no besitos for him. Clare meant business. She sat him down and expressed her concerns. As much of an excuse as it sounds like, I really think this was a language issue again. When he said, "The parts of Clare I know, I like. Maybe parts of you I don't like," she took it to mean there were particular parts of her he didn't like. What he meant was that once he gets to know her more, there might be parts of her he doesn't like, just as there might be parts of him she doesn't like.

If this season has taught us anything, it's that people with different mother tongues should never hook up!

And why is it wrong to admit they really don't know all that much about each other? In fact, wasn't that Andi's whole complaint? Juan Pablo was just voicing that. The guy can't win.

He told her he likes what he's seen and it's not just physical. Then he said, "You're special to me." He said if they end up together, he just knows they'll have a baby in "a year and two months, I just know it." Also, "I feel great about you."

All encouraging words and Clare was calmed.

Now, was it right for him to lead her on like that? First, every Bachelor and Bachelorette has said things to the other finalist that could be seen to be leading them on. Every single one! Juan Pablo was no exception. And why we excuse it is because they're not necessarily lying. They believe it when they say it. They haven't made up their mind. It's gotta be tough having been intimate with two people and going on a bunch of romantic dates concurrently and then having to pick one of them when the other one is also pretty great. But with the way these three weeks have been framed, those innocent statements come off looking like dastardly douchetastic scumbaggery.

And Clare was fine with it in the moment after doing a complete 180: "He may not know me 100 percent but I know that we have something special."


Back in the studio, Sharleen morphed into a turncoat, jumping on side with the anti-Juan Pablo bandwagon in this inorganic process. Et tu, Sharleen? I guess it's almost the Ides of March so it's fitting. She thought the conversation was "painful to watch" saying she thought Clare ignored her intuition and that Juan Pablo was "quite patronizing to her, quite frankly." Also "his way of complimenting her is to say, 'You got to meet my family.'" Let's analyze that.

As I've written, he told her she's "special to me", "I feel great about you," "I like what I've seen" and "it's not just a physical attraction." When he said he took her home to meet his family, a more generous interpretation would be that he thought of her enough to be one of the two remaining women who he felt comfortable enough with to introduce to his family. I'm disappointed the usually clear-thinking Shar-Shar would get swept up in the lynch mob mentality.

Sean also used the producers' talking points, saying it was "painful to watch". He thought Juan Pablo was "talking in circles" adding, "Shoot 'er straight, man. Tell her what you're feeling." Anyone consider that maybe that's what he was doing? Maybe what Sean meant was, "Tell her what we all want him to say."

Next up was the date with Nikki. She called Juan Pablo "one of the most amazing people I've ever met." When he asked her if she had any concerns, she suggested he might be "a little guarded." Burn the heathen!

They went out on a catamaran and stopped off on a private island. While lying in the sand, Nikki asked what he'd do once there are no more private islands and reality hits. No problem, he said. He has a bed and a TV and an office. In other words, exactly what his mother warned her about. No lying – straight-up honesty. Crucify him!

That night, Nikki gave him a picture frame and a card, which ended with the words, "I love you." He kisses her as she stares off in the distance, nervous about the fate that awaits her. When he left, she sat and cried understandable tears. Of course, Chris Harrison tried to misrepresent those tears, too. On a season with no obvious villain contestants, they had to create one.

Thankfully we didn't have to see Neil Lane hocking his jewelry. We cut to the chase with Juan Pablo already with the ring. Clare was the first off the boat to the rustic meeting spot. I actually felt she'd be the one he picked. Goes to show what I know. When my wife said Juan Pablo looked uncomfortable, I saw it as content. Maybe it was a bit of both.

He talked about their ups and downs and how their talks fixed them. He threw around adjectives like unbelievable and amazing. Then he said he wished the Earth would suck him in because this was the hardest decision he's ever made. "I appreciate you being here," he said. He talked about how he'd always spoken about how people are going to go home. Then finally, "I have to say goodbye to you." He goes in for the comforting hug but Clare puts up her hands stopping him. Not so fast, fella.

She walks off, turning around to say, "I stuck around because I believed in you." She needed reassurance and he gave it to her, just as every other finalist in the history of the show got on the last date. I guess she wanted him to send her home on that date. But according to him, she was still in the running and he didn't decide until that night. He was about to tell her that but she didn't care. "Doesn't matter," she said and fumed off. Just goes to prove what mothers have been saying for years: Why buy the milk when you can get the cow for free?


When she told him she lost respect for him, the angry mob in the studio erupted in applause. And then the coup de grâce: "What you just made me go through, I would never want my children having a father like you." More applause. And with that, she was off.

After she was gone, Juan Pablo said, "Whew! I'm glad I didn't pick her!" Clare gave us a hint as to the whispered offence: "Don't tell me you love ******** me. Don't tell me that. Don't tell me you could see yourself in Sacramento and how much your family loved me. Don't tell me that." Fair enough. Maybe the sex comment was over the line, but maybe he also mistakenly thought they were at that point in their relationship since, you know, they had sex at least twice. And it's quite plausible he really could see himself in Sacramento and that his family loved her. At that point, maybe she was the frontrunner.

Then he had to wait for Nikki as he fingered the ring. Nikki said she wanted to hear all he couldn't say to that point and that she couldn't wait to tell her mom she's engaged. As per show rules, when she showed up, she had to speak first and she spoke like it was a foregone conclusion. If she didn't know she was the one, it was a very gutsy speech. She talked about wanting to be a part of his family and "can't imagine spending my life without you." Imagine if he then sent her home. Ouch.

Instead of hearing those magic words she longed to hear, Juan Pablo said, "I love so many things about you." He talked about her honesty, her caring about others, and how she'd be a good step-mom for his daughter. "One-hundred percent I don't want to let you go... I like you a lot."

Nice enough taken in a vacuum. But when you expect only an unabashed declaration of undying love, it seemed to many like a huge slap in the face. When he offered her the rose, she paused before nodding and saying, "Absolutely."

Juan Pablo said her father made him think. He had told him he wants whoever it is to propose to his daughter to be 100 percent sure. And Juan Pablo wasn't 100 percent sure. Just as, I'm sure, a good number of other people who've thrown proposals out there willy-nilly.

At the After the Final Rose segment in the studio, Clare still wouldn't repeat the offensive words Juan Pablo passed on to her. She said she let her guard down and trusted the process. You know, the process that's produced 2 marriages in 18 seasons.

Clare didn't have anything more to say to Juan Pablo, so he wasn't invited out to sit with her. More applause. She said she didn't want to "get fed any more BS." She's moved on, she said.

When JP came out, there were no boos, but the applause was tepid, to say the least. He acted like nothing was unusual or wasn't aware of the backlash towards him. He said he did the math and figured out approximately 600 hours were filmed and we saw 20 hours of it. A convenient excuse, perhaps, but also one we should always keep in mind.

Chris Harrison worked his butt off trying to rephrase the same question over and over again. Let me count the ways:

After saying she was still in love, Harrison asked her if the feeling was reciprocated. "I dunno. I hope so."
"Has he told you?" Harrison continued, obviously not aware what "dunno" and "hope" mean.
"He hasn't ever said those words to you?" he asked, incredulously. Nikki said no, but that JP wouldn't be there "if he didn't care about me."
"We'd love to hear it for your sake," Harrison continued. Chris, you can't force these things. I'm sure Nikki only wants to hear it if it's true, not coaxed out of him.
After JP said, "I feel fantastic about this woman," Harrison pressed, "But how do you feel about her?" An understandably exasperated JP said, "Chris, I feel great!"
"So you love her?"to which Juan Pablo responded, "I'm not going to answer that to you." And "This is real life. We're done with the show... I appreciate the opportunity... What I'm feeling with Nikki is fantastic."
"So you're not gonna say you love this woman?" I got it the first time, Chris. What's with the Spanish Inquisition?
"This is the good part. You can actually express your feelings. So did you (fall in love)?" Um, I'm gonna guess no. But I'm a quick learner.
"I don't know what I'm looking at!" He just couldn't wrap his head around the fact a couple who'd known each other for 10 weeks might not both be fully committed and in love and that they might enjoy each other's company and try to see if they can make a go of it in real life. To her credit, Nikki said, "Time will tell. This is a real relationship to us." She said they were "taking it really seriously."
"Nikki's in love; Juan Pablo's in love but won't say it."
"How long would you give him?" Again, Nikki gave a very reasonable answer: "I don't know. It's not something you put a time limit on... As long as it feels right, I'll give it that length of time... For now it feels right."
At the start of the night, Chris Harrison teased us that Juan Pablo would reveal a "big surprise." So now was the time to ask. What exactly was this big surprise Juan Pablo had told the producers he was going to reveal? Juan Pablo claimed he had no idea what Harrison was talking about. Harrison now claims that was classic Juan Pablo playing games with everyone. But let's think about that for a second. If he told the producers months ago about this big surprise, you'd think one of them might talk to him about it in the lead-up to the finale. Maybe not the details, because that would ruin said surprise, but something along the lines of, "Hey, Juan Pablo, are you still planning that surprise next month/week/tomorrow/ tonight?" Are they really trying to suggest that they just went with this throw-away comment from a few months ago and never once tried to figure out what it was, or even if it was, before promising us all? Sounds fishy. Sounds like an agenda. (As I sat here writing this, I received a link to the wonderful Jillian Harris' take on the situation. She nailed it.)


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Meanwhile, other former employees didn't get it. Sean Lowe, for example, was in the Chris Harrison muddled zone. He very rightly said, "Everybody works differently." But then followed it with, "When I'm in love, I want that person to know it. But to each his own." Did they seriously not get that it wasn't a case of Juan Pablo refusing to admit his love for Nikki but Juan Pablo not experiencing the love? Since when is that a crime? Maybe it was all in the presentation, but if that's your beef, no need to vilify the guy.

Because... everybody does, indeed, work differently. Unfortunately, they want cookie cutters on this show. Everyone must feel the same and express those feelings the same. If you don't play along, you will be made the villain.

Okay, that was that. Now can we just let Juan Pablo and Nikki alone to break up in private?


All that was left was the revealing of the new Bachelorette! Who would it be? Andi?! No!!! Boooo! This show has now officially jumped the shark. The crowd rose to their feet at the announcement... just as they did when Juan Pablo was named. But not me. In fact, I wrote that if Andi were named, I'd sit the season out, blog-wise. Gotta stay true to my word. Oh, I'm sure I'll watch. Maybe I'll even offer one sentence each week just to keep my hand in it, but that's it. Can't wait to see the gun-totin' law-and-order candidate getting to know everyone fully. If she doesn't know the religion and political opinions of everyone in contention, she's a huge hypocrite.

She had a personal distaste for the phrase "It's okay" used frequently by Juan Pablo. If her segment is any indication, her pet phrase is "at the end of the day" which she said about 5 or 6 times in the course of two minutes. The absolute best use of it was, "At the end of the day, I don't have anyone to come home to and share the day with." That is a perfect literal use of it. Well done.

[Pia1]

Great summation! The blogger cracks me up! Thanks for posting.

[Mr Write]

Womack was vilified (after 1.0) and later praised. Mesnick was torn apart, and later rehabilitated. Juan Pablo will experience a similar transition. In fact, the rehabilitation has started much more rapidly for him that it did with the previous villains. The ironic thing is that the media are even more interested in him (and Nikki) than they might have been if the season had ended with a proposal.
RS had a big role in the Mesnick debacle, and later recanted and apologized. Similarly, he also had a big part in the decline in JP's popularity by attacking him early and often. That perspective, however, was clearly governed the nature of his sources, which drew him in a particular direction. I'm not sure if JP and Nikki will last, but if they do I will be curious to see whether RS will apologize to them. He probably should.

[stuckinsc]

Womack was vilified (after 1.0) and later praised.   Mesnick was torn apart, and later rehabilitated.  Juan Pablo will experience a similar transition.  In fact, the rehabilitation has started much more rapidly for him that it did with the previous villains.  The ironic thing is that the media are even more interested in him (and Nikki) than they might have been if the season had ended with a proposal.
RS had a big role in the Mesnick debacle, and later recanted and apologized.  Similarly, he also had a big part in the decline in JP's popularity by attacking him early and often.  That perspective, however, was clearly governed the nature of his sources, which drew him in a particular direction.  I'm not sure if JP and Nikki will last, but if they do I will be curious to see whether RS will apologize to them.  He probably should.

The show kind of rebooted with DeAnna's season. Since then they have always ended in the fairy tale engagement. It is much more formulaic then it was before. JPG did not want to play into the formula, so he was bad.

Anyway, I am happy for JPG and Nikki and that they seem to be away from the TPTB mess.

[notarose]

Womack was vilified (after 1.0) and later praised.   Mesnick was torn apart, and later rehabilitated.  Juan Pablo will experience a similar transition.  In fact, the rehabilitation has started much more rapidly for him that it did with the previous villains.  The ironic thing is that the media are even more interested in him (and Nikki) than they might have been if the season had ended with a proposal.
RS had a big role in the Mesnick debacle, and later recanted and apologized.  Similarly, he also had a big part in the decline in JP's popularity by attacking him early and often.  That perspective, however, was clearly governed the nature of his sources, which drew him in a particular direction.  I'm not sure if JP and Nikki will last, but if they do I will be curious to see whether RS will apologize to them.  He probably should.

Thanks for your insight, Mr Write. Also appreciative of your knowledge.

The JPG image "rehabilitation" appears to have been spurned on by the rare phenom of "original thought" by some in media as well as a slight sift away for third party information. RS being governed is aptly put as at the point in his career where he moved from fact sleuth to semi-seeing bach nation spinner, he became one of the characters in the storyboard of a season... and he does it free of charge. Not sure if a recant is still part of his personality.

People I know who watch don't even know who RS is and overall feel the season was realistic and never really cared for an engagement ending. (Could be an age thing). The biggest talk was about CH (negative) and wanting to have heard more about the couple ( secret meetings, had Nikki spent time with Camilla, etc). Also, complaints about being cheated out of love story footage ... too much drama, like using Andi arguement footage instead of 1-1 date footage time wise.

I'm curious to see if traditional media will be as susceptible to the force-fed regurgitations of RS during Andi's season.
For some reason, a mental image of Monty Python's "Life of Brian" keeps popping up whenever RS is mentioned. Oh well...

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