Re: Juan Pablo & Nikki Ferrell General Discussion - Fan Forum

[chloep]

Womack was vilified (after 1.0) and later praised.   Mesnick was torn apart, and later rehabilitated.  Juan Pablo will experience a similar transition.  In fact, the rehabilitation has started much more rapidly for him that it did with the previous villains.  The ironic thing is that the media are even more interested in him (and Nikki) than they might have been if the season had ended with a proposal.
RS had a big role in the Mesnick debacle, and later recanted and apologized.  Similarly, he also had a big part in the decline in JP's popularity by attacking him early and often.  That perspective, however, was clearly governed the nature of his sources, which drew him in a particular direction.  I'm not sure if JP and Nikki will last, but if they do I will be curious to see whether RS will apologize to them.  He probably should.

IMO, Whether that is really going to happen to JP, will ultimately come down to how(/if) things are going to end with Nikki. I don't foresee much of a change in how he is publicly perceived if they break-up, let's say, in the next 12months.

[Sable]

Womack was vilified (after 1.0) and later praised.   Mesnick was torn apart, and later rehabilitated.  Juan Pablo will experience a similar transition.  In fact, the rehabilitation has started much more rapidly for him that it did with the previous villains.  The ironic thing is that the media are even more interested in him (and Nikki) than they might have been if the season had ended with a proposal.
RS had a big role in the Mesnick debacle, and later recanted and apologized.  Similarly, he also had a big part in the decline in JP's popularity by attacking him early and often.  That perspective, however, was clearly governed the nature of his sources, which drew him in a particular direction.  I'm not sure if JP and Nikki will last, but if they do I will be curious to see whether RS will apologize to them.  He probably should.

IMO, Whether that is really going to happen to JP, will ultimately come down to how(/if) things are going to end with Nikki. I don't foresee much of a change in how he is publicly perceived if they break-up, let's say, in the next 12months.

I agree. I think the public perception of him isn't so much that he didn't propose or say 'I love you' to Nikki. It was his behavior to some of the women on the show and his angry behavior on ATFR. I think if the relationship with Nikki works out, I think his public image has a good chance of being rehabilitated. Also, don't forget that part of the reason that Jason and Brad were rehabilitated is that they didn't sever their relationship with the show and both went on to star as the lead in another go around. I think Juan Pablo's public image also depends on if he repairs the relationship with TPTB. I think it is the best interests of all involved that this happens.

[docnash14]

Womack was vilified (after 1.0) and later praised.   Mesnick was torn apart, and later rehabilitated.  Juan Pablo will experience a similar transition.  In fact, the rehabilitation has started much more rapidly for him that it did with the previous villains.  The ironic thing is that the media are even more interested in him (and Nikki) than they might have been if the season had ended with a proposal.
RS had a big role in the Mesnick debacle, and later recanted and apologized.  Similarly, he also had a big part in the decline in JP's popularity by attacking him early and often.  That perspective, however, was clearly governed the nature of his sources, which drew him in a particular direction.  I'm not sure if JP and Nikki will last, but if they do I will be curious to see whether RS will apologize to them.  He probably should.

IMO, Whether that is really going to happen to JP, will ultimately come down to how(/if) things are going to end with Nikki. I don't foresee much of a change in how he is publicly perceived if they break-up, let's say, in the next 12months.

I agree.  I think the public perception of him isn't so much that he didn't propose or say 'I love you' to Nikki.  It was his behavior to some of the women on the show and his angry behavior on ATFR.  I think if the relationship with Nikki works out, I think his public image has a good chance of being rehabilitated.  Also, don't forget that part of the reason that Jason and Brad were rehabilitated is that they didn't sever their relationship with the show and both went on to star as the lead in another go around.  I think Juan Pablo's public image also depends on if he repairs the relationship with TPTB.  I think it is the best interests of all involved that this happens.

Perhaps, albeit I certainly don't count on that happening where JP is concerned. By all accounts, he is stubborn so when he said he was done, I think he meant just that (and I don't really blame him). He admitted on twitter that he and Nikki didn't even open up the gifts given to them at the ATFR,

[Maggenzm]

Womack was vilified (after 1.0) and later praised.   Mesnick was torn apart, and later rehabilitated.  Juan Pablo will experience a similar transition.  In fact, the rehabilitation has started much more rapidly for him that it did with the previous villains.  The ironic thing is that the media are even more interested in him (and Nikki) than they might have been if the season had ended with a proposal.
RS had a big role in the Mesnick debacle, and later recanted and apologized.  Similarly, he also had a big part in the decline in JP's popularity by attacking him early and often.  That perspective, however, was clearly governed the nature of his sources, which drew him in a particular direction.  I'm not sure if JP and Nikki will last, but if they do I will be curious to see whether RS will apologize to them.  He probably should.

IMO, Whether that is really going to happen to JP, will ultimately come down to how(/if) things are going to end with Nikki. I don't foresee much of a change in how he is publicly perceived if they break-up, let's say, in the next 12months.

I agree.  I think the public perception of him isn't so much that he didn't propose or say 'I love you' to Nikki.  It was his behavior to some of the women on the show and his angry behavior on ATFR.  I think if the relationship with Nikki works out, I think his public image has a good chance of being rehabilitated.  Also, don't forget that part of the reason that Jason and Brad were rehabilitated is that they didn't sever their relationship with the show and both went on to star as the lead in another go around.  I think Juan Pablo's public image also depends on if he repairs the relationship with TPTB.  I think it is the best interests of all involved that this happens.

I really think he needs to repair the relationship with TPTB, after all he found "the one for me". IMO. Listening to Chris at Jason podcast today, chris said that it was frustrating that they didn't show the real him, but he moved on, so should he.

[notarose]

Not sure who specifically IS TPTB (how many people are we talking about?).
In JPG's last blog he did thank the stylist and some of the producers. Some of the producers congratulated the couple on twitter. People mag did a nice AFTR piece and some positive reporting has come from ABC websites. The broken relationship doesn't appear to involve a mass of people.

The most obvious benefit to JPG & Nikki would be financial: paid venue appearances, paid interviews, merchandise. If they don't want these perks or to build on their fame or a potential free engagement ring/wedding, they have nothing to lose.

[Amberish]

I guess I should have posted this here instead of a different thread. Love the humor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/13/the-bachelor-hunger-games_n_4942530.html?1394743583

Thank you for posting this !

This article is great. Great comparison with Hunger Games and good comments.
I love the conclusion!

Yep, that about sums it up:

"By subverting the system, Juan Pablo Galavis is the hero reality TV has been dreading."

Would have read if posted in full before, so. Wanted to share this great piece!

Why This Season Of 'The Bachelor' Was Basically 'The Hunger Games'

The protagonist of a televised competition series dissents against his authorities, threatening to break all of the rules. His rebellion enrages the show's big bad executives, who scheme to dispose of the contestant in an effort to quiet his supporters -- and save their livelihoods.

One question: Is this "The Bachelor" or "The Hunger Games" we're talking about?

It's not as far-fetched an analogy as one might think. In fact, throughout this season of "The Bachelor," similarities abound between the beloved ABC reality show and the blockbuster movie trilogy about a kind of reality show. What are "reapings" if not a form of casting call? The female contestants of "The Bachelor" make their entrances by shimmying out of limousines, sporting evening gowns and gags such as pregnant bellies and stethoscopes. In "The Hunger Games," tributes come in boy-girl pairs, and are introduced to the public through their heavily-styled getups ("girl on fire!") and deadly talent (archery). Both competitions feature contestants who are no more than show ponies, first admired for their beauty, then systematically destroyed.

Why? Because it makes for great entertainment. But also because the competitions provide hope. Just consider how President Snow, the villainous ruler of Panem, explains the need for a winner of the Hunger Games: "[Hope] is the only thing stronger than fear." And what could be more hopeful than love? ABC executives have peddled "The Bachelor" and its spin-off series, "The Bachelorette," for a whopping total of 27 seasons by promising such hope: of marriage, of true love, of more awkward televised wedding ceremonies. Their manipulative fantasy yields lucrative results, with 10.1 million viewers tuning in to this season's finale. It's a big business. Only now someone's come along to call bullshit on it all.

His name is Juan Pablo Galavis, of course, the 32-year-old former soccer player touted as the show's first "foreign" Bachelor. The Venezuelan star's previous anti-gay remarks and limited "ess okay" vocabulary had branded him all-around jerk well before Monday night's contentious final rose ceremony. He also neglected to propose to the "Bachelor" finalist, Nikki Ferrell, used as evidence of JP's insincerity about finding love, even though he was hardly the first contestant to do so. But it was his refusal to utter an I-love-you to Nikki that riled host Chris Harrison the most during the live "After the Final Rose" special. The resulting dialogue can only be described as a power struggle between Juan Pablo and the ever-intermeddling host:

[abbreviated] Harrison: How do you feel about this woman? JP: I feel fantastic about this woman... Harrison: How do you feel about her? JP: Chris! I feel great! I'm very honest to her. Harrison: So you love her? JP: I'm not going to answer that question to you. Harrison: What do you mean you don't say that? JP: We're done with the show. We're so done.

Had Harrison donned gaudy eyeliner and blue hair, he could almost be mistaken for Caesar Flickerman, the love-happy master of ceremonies so excellently portrayed by Stanley Tucci in the "Hunger Games" films. In reality, Harrison is both host and executive producer of the show, which means he's also not above bullying tactics similar to those of Panem's evil President Snow. What Juan Pablo delivered wasn't the season finale Harrison wanted or the "big surprise" ABC execs had been promised. Just as Katniss Everdeen threatened the Capitol, Juan Pablo disrespected the administration by calling out the hypocrisy of the show's entire premise: that falling in love in seven weeks is preposterous. JP's resistance to profess love for Nikki was a crack in the entire "Bachelor" institution: even the Bachelor himself was refusing to play the game laid out for him.

Juan Pablo wasn't the only one to buck tradition in this version of "The Bachelor Games." Contestants Sharleen Joynt and Andi Dorfman walked away from the show before formal elimination, citing their inability to see a future with Juan Pablo as the reason for their departure. "I knew he wasn't the one for me ultimately … we just didn't get each other completely," Joynt admitted during the "Women Tell All" special. Their rejection of the game is akin to tributes in "The Hunger Games" who refuse to fight. Juan Pablo finds his Peeta instead in Nikki, a child nurse whose loyalty to Juan Pablo far exceeds her loyalty to the show. They win; "The Bachelor" loses.

On the opposite end of the battle, Season 17's Sean Lowe could be seen as a career tribute, in both build and belief. A Stepford Bachelor if there ever was one, he appears to have been perfectly bred for the role. Lowe, who is now married to "The Bachelor" contestant Catherine Giudici, showed just how seriously he takes "The Bachelor" business when he slammed JP on Twitter: "You owe it to the fans and network to open up. That's the job."

Considering that Suzanne Collins, the author of "The Hunger Games" books, modeled her dystopian future after one that mimicked the gladiatorial games of the past and our reality show-crazed culture of the present, it's unsurprising there should exist so many parallels. But in a classic case of life imitating art imitating life, "The Bachelor" closed the circle with Monday night's finale by producing its own uprising.

ABC executives have been trying to convince us for years that their show is a legitimate platform for finding true love -- despite the fact that only five couples (not including JP and Nikki) in "Bachelor" history remain together. But their world isn't real life. By subverting the system, Juan Pablo Galavis is the hero reality TV has been dreading.

Follow Youyoung Lee on Twitter: @youyoung_lee.

[Kashathediva]

Thanks for sharing it. I enjoyed the parallels.

[GuardianAngel]

Brad #1, and Jason and Molly basically went into hiding after their seasons. Jason and Molly did the long distance thing and stayed out of the media as much as possible. Brad, well, I don't recall seeing him for the longest time after the show.

JP and Nikki, are leading a normal life. Everyone tweets nowadays, and they continue to do so, just like any other couple would. They are simply enjoying their non show life and getting to know each other better. IMO that's the difference in why there is interest in the lead that didn't propose, because there is a couple, but no proposal and here's all these tweets and photo's of them happy and having fun. As much as I want to see a love story, I would much rather have a no proposal, just as I felt during Brad #1, than a phoney proposal and a break up a few months later.

BTW, thanks for posting all those pics everyone! They look great together and very happy!

[Isabel123]

Bachelor video clips from Good Morning America.




http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bachelor-juan-pablo-galavis-finally-breaks-silence-criticisms/story?id=22860254#.Uy4NWzOE0Kw.twitter

[notarose]

Bachelor video clips from Good Morning America. Just click the link, i do not know how to embed the videos.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bachelor-juan-pablo-galavis-finally-breaks-silence-criticisms/story?id=22860254#.Uy4NWzOE0Kw.twitter

Wonderful to have had a relationship expert on the panel.  Really liked her take on the situation.  Hope Nikki & JPG keep having fun dating!  Of course, I'm snoopy so I hope they feed us some crumbs too.

Thanks for sharing all your great finds!  

[2observe]

Bachelor video clips from Good Morning America. Just click the link, i do not know how to embed the videos.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bachelor-juan-pablo-galavis-finally-breaks-silence-criticisms/story?id=22860254#.Uy4NWzOE0Kw.twitter

Thanks for posting the video.  

[notarose]

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