Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

[Guest]

Anyone who goes on the shows and really wants love out of it has to be ready to forget whatever was said to the others. Catherine said it best...Sean wasn't mine on the show, it was dating to see who he is compatible with and wants at the end.  You cant be like Emily with her insecurities, you have to take it for what it was. Look at Molly, i mean she was dumped! Yet they are happy together and making a go of things.

The two couples that will be attending ATFR, each have a partner that was totally blaize about what happened on their season.  Catherine was "whatever" about Sean's "love multiple women, so hard to choose between final 2" and although I didn't watch Des' season I heard all about the Brooks thing and Chris doesn't seem to give a rats a about it. Is this a clue that JP's final pick is cut from the same cloth or is she in need of council on how to think this way?

Honestly, I think we fans sometime get more worked up afterthefact then the couple does.    

I personally think its Only related to the fact that both couples are their recent success stories. Gotta show off those in the end of a floppy season. It could be an indication of any trouble in paradise ala Brad and Em when they brought back the Sutters,the Mesnicks and Aliberto at ATFR to deliver the so-called advices....or...not. It could be Due to simple fact that both couples are surrounded by wedding buzz for all of us to see. One is a Newly wed, one is welcoming the Wedding Bell soon.

[JBF]

Does anyone really care who he chooses at this point? I want the F1 to be Clare and still can't put the pieces together to see that happening. Clare's song got trumped by Nikki's song. The only question mark for me are those PIs for Clare. Could those point to a Mesnick?

Some of us... S-O-M-E of us... (yes, I know not you, Mirzam... *chuckle chuckle*) think something wacky happens at FRC. At least one of our contestants teases that she won't be a happy camper if dumped.

I forgot. What was the song title that Nikki got? Should we also compare lyrics?

Here is Clare's... all about not "bolting"


I never thought I'd feel this way for another lover of the first degree
Gives me shakes the way she roll my sweetest ache she lose control

You say that you feel like we are free
You say that you feel that we are friends
You say that you feel like together there are no better lovers
Yes, together there are no better lovers

Baby never let me go
Tell me that you'll stay
Never go away
Tell me I'm the one
I wanna hear you say
You'll never let me go
Tell me you're in love
Tell me that you will know

Shes so soft like cool mink feather laying heavy on the vine
When I'm with her I feel I'm living and dying at the same time

You say that you feel that we're unchained
You say that you feel that we are friends
You say that you feel that together there are no better lovers
Yes together there are no better lovers

Baby never let me go
Tell me that you'll stay
Never go away
Tell me I'm the one
I wanna hear you say
You'll never let me go
Tell me your'e in love
Tell me

Baby never let me go
Tell me that you'll stay
Never go away
Tell me I'm the one
Wanna hear you say
You'll never let me go
Tell me you're in love
Tell me that you know
No better lovers that you know
No better lovers that you know
No better lovers that you know

Read more: Josh Krajcik - No Better Lovers Lyrics | MetroLyrics

[jlccaz]

So, Clare's lyrics are voiced as Her to Him, in this scenario. "Tell me I'm the one etc." The doubt in the plot is whom the Lead selects. There is no doubt in Clare's storyline apart from whether he chooses her. The song lyrics (product placement for Josh Krajcik) are her plea to him not to let her go.

[Guest]

So you can't just look at the edit or the screencaps or social media as a single clue but you have to consider all the clues that come together as a whole.  So taking into consideration all of the clues that point to one girl or the other, who comes out the most likely F1?  Any ideas.....in the past several posters on here have made a list of pros and cons as to why one contestant is F1 over the other but I haven't seen one this season.  If it has already been discussed, someone please point me in that direction.  Thanks.

Yeah... we needed The List this season. Then again, you are asking a HUGE question that this forum can't agree on... and once Juan chooses the one that a particular side doesn't want to "win", prepare for an endless stream of posts about "Why Juan and THAT lady will DEFINITELY break up next week".

Yet... if you want to start by the "clues" one at a time, you can start with my last post on the screencap thread... and compare screenshots of the EW outtakes. (Also already covered each lady in meaty posts on the Edit thread this week. What HE says of each in his voice-overs and private interviews are important.)

Does anyone really care who he chooses at this point? I want the F1 to be Clare and still can't put the pieces together to see that happening. Clare's song got trumped by Nikki's song. The only question mark for me are those PIs for Clare. Could those point to a Mesnick?

Umm I Dont Think so. Funny that we all see Things differently. In my puzzle, Nikki Will be the one in shocked in the end of this. And the Clare F1's puzzle already completed for me. Just curio on how all Plays out. It's interesting to note that Nikki's song lyrics is perfectly match with her intro vid lines---about in love and heartbreak, smth along the lines. While Clare song is their theme song 4 this season(repeated 3 times, breaking past seasons record...lol)

[Maggenzm]

So you can't just look at the edit or the screencaps or social media as a single clue but you have to consider all the clues that come together as a whole.  So taking into consideration all of the clues that point to one girl or the other, who comes out the most likely F1?  Any ideas.....in the past several posters on here have made a list of pros and cons as to why one contestant is F1 over the other but I haven't seen one this season.  If it has already been discussed, someone please point me in that direction.  Thanks.

Here's a list we made back on Feb. 18th. I'd add to that the recent song to Nikki that she's the only one for him with his big exaggerated wink and the time stamps.

Would one of you believers that Nikki is F1 being willing to layout specifically why you think so? I'm open minded to the position that Clare might not be F1, but as I've said before, Clare is the only one I feel like I, personally, can make a strong argument for. (Not because I want her to be...I really don't care.)

Maybe I haven't been listening, but I feel like I keep reading reason's why Clare can't be F1 as opposed to specific reasons why Nikki is. I'm completely open to some solid reasoning, but I think I've missed it if it's being posted. If it's already been written up (in the non-spoiler threads), can you tell me where? If it's in the spoiler threads, can someone copy it and PM it to me? TIA

Here's a start, but I'm sure other things have been mentioned that I'm forgetting at the moment.

Nikki:
1. Her lack of exposure in the first preview.
2. His first reaction to seeing her out of the limo and later his delight over the fact that she's a nurse.
3. "Nikki is just Nikki" I see bashfulness on both their parts that is not there with others.
4. Hidden make-out in the cave.
5. "Watch out Nikki"
6. Have you seen her bod?
7. She's either has a big ego or has reason to be extremely confident in this.
8. She met Camilla and his family.

Equally compelling
1. Clare's over exposure in the first preview.
2. JP likes that Sharleen is worldy and Clare is the opposite of that.
3. JP- is it spelled Claire or Clare?? (He misspelled her name on twitter)
4. the "Mistake"!!!
5. her interview to follow that.
6. Clare's getting the physical edit like many F2's before her.

Great post! I'll add to it:

1. Nikki's career ... he really seemed to be very impressed with her being pediatric nurse. I thought he put her on pedastal in early episodes and was in awe that someone with her looks/BODY (!!) could have such a rewarding and nurturing career.

2. Camilla ... he's looking for step mom for his daughter too and a good influence. I believe that he thinks Nurse Nikki would be both or would not have introduced her.

3. His ex wife is a model and that could be intimidating to many women so need someone capable of not falling to pieces every time they all meet up for events like recital. Nikki is/was (?) model too so she might be better candidate ( at least in his mind).

4. Group date roses ... didn't Nikki get two?

5. This is Bachelor not Bachelorette. Some posters are trying to reason that Clare fits better in his Latin culture world or is most comfortable with couch time. I think Bachelor picks more aspirationally ... the one he puts on a pedastal and is a bit in awe of, which may be why it rarely works.
- Ben picked his model and remember how stoked he was at meet and greet to see her.
- Brad picked Emily even though Chantal would have slid right into his world (and I was among posters who did not buy spoiler)
- Andy picked Tessa who had her doubts vs. Bevin whom he made out with all season
- Jerry picked his nurse instead
- And Jason initially picked more aspirationally or his vision of his f1 before realizing it was Mollie all along.

I also have to add that I have grown to respect Nikki and.love that she left room instead of listening to Clare second guess why Andi got rose.
Andi has long been my favorite ... but not for Juan Pablo ... so if Andi enjoys her company, good enough for me. I would be sick of hanging with Clare too who is the very opposite of "mundo" in having never traveled or even willing to try octopus.

 Nikki has been on my short list ever since he put his fist in his mouth after she passed him by after limo intro. He thinks she is smoking hot and excellent step mommy material with her love for kids. I think she is f1 and has been ever since their 1-on-1. She is a nurse and model ... You can't get better than that.

Mvmom, right on! I rewatched her HTD and I am 100% sure she is the one. Juan fits so well with Nikki 's family. When it was time to leave, they were arms and arms, and Juan didn't want to let go. As far as Clare's HTD, I don't think he was impressed. At the RC, still gave Nikki the first rose.JMO

[4health]

So there will be another video tomorrow correct…they said 5'
#1- CH and JP deliberation about Clare & JP hurting her
#2- CH and JP after Andi's departure - Clare was mentioned
#3- JuanP and Clare's LCD - song
#4- JuanP and Nikki's LCD - song
#5- What could possibly be next?

Let's have some fun speculating…..CH and JuanP sitting down discussing the F2 after the MTP and just before their LCD dates…or JuanP and CH deliberation before FRC or seeing JuanP picking out the ring.

[Rolly]

Is it Monday yet?!?

I still think we are gonna see something totally unexpected  :atomic: there will be  :why:  and   but will there be  :sweetheart: in the end???   TPTB want for there to be lots of discussion ATFR to get people coming back. I think I know how this will end but can anybody be sure? We will see.

I think most of us are ready for this journey to come to an end.... 

[JBF]

So you can't just look at the edit or the screencaps or social media as a single clue but you have to consider all the clues that come together as a whole.  So taking into consideration all of the clues that point to one girl or the other, who comes out the most likely F1?  Any ideas.....in the past several posters on here have made a list of pros and cons as to why one contestant is F1 over the other but I haven't seen one this season.  If it has already been discussed, someone please point me in that direction.  Thanks.

Yeah... we needed The List this season. Then again, you are asking a HUGE question that this forum can't agree on... and once Juan chooses the one that a particular side doesn't want to "win", prepare for an endless stream of posts about "Why Juan and THAT lady will DEFINITELY break up next week".

Yet... if you want to start by the "clues" one at a time, you can start with my last post on the screencap thread... and compare screenshots of the EW outtakes. (Also already covered each lady in meaty posts on the Edit thread this week. What HE says of each in his voice-overs and private interviews are important.)

Does anyone really care who he chooses at this point? I want the F1 to be Clare and still can't put the pieces together to see that happening. Clare's song got trumped by Nikki's song. The only question mark for me are those PIs for Clare. Could those point to a Mesnick?

Umm I Dont Think so. Funny that we all see Things differently. In my puzzle, Nikki Will be the one in shocked in the end of this. And the Clare F1's puzzle already completed for me. Just curio on how all Plays out. It's interesting to note that Nikki's song lyrics is perfectly match with her intro vid lines---about in love and heartbreak, smth along the lines. While Clare song is their theme song 4 this season(repeated 3 times, breaking past seasons record...lol)

Matt White was heard three times by fantasy date. You remember that one, don't you? "Oh we came together we were lovin’ on the table, We were lovin’ on the floor, We were lovin’ where it’s able"... all between DIAMONDS + HEARTS poems.

Yeah... all of my Clare puzzle pieces fit together too, but lately... with that "maybe that's Sacramento" shot popping up under "OMG" in the promo, I am having weird visions of some sort of shot-gun "thang" happening. Juan was worried about "making a mistake" on Clare's overnight. What? Getting her "knocked up" for real?

Speaking of which, just one more trip down memory lane, shall we?

Juan: Is there somebody else in the limo? Oh my gosh!
Clare arriving “knocked up”: Hey… what do you know about this? Ha ha!
Juan (instantly touches her on the belly): ooooh
Clare (hugging): I’m Clare
Juan (can’t stop looking below): Hi Clare. I’ve seen that before.
Clare: Yah? So… I know you have a daughter. (Yes) And I know you want more children. (Yes) And I was thinking maybe…
Juan (ready to lunge at her): Having more children?
Clare (talking at the same time): Adding to it.
Juan: Maybe. That’s great.
Clare: Wanna feel? So not real. It’s lumpy for me, right?
Juan: You look gorgeous with that belly.
Clare: Thankyou. So I’ll go inside and play with some of the girls… and then we’ll talk later?
Juan (all gooey): Sure. (Watching her leave) Nice pretty girl. She’s very cute.
Clare inside door: Hoooh!!
Juan: Hoooh!

[Jeepers]

Seeing as Clare has a history of bolting .. By her own admission .. Yet says she won't or doesn't want to .. She may just do that .. She'd thus have a CH vs JP escort outta there

[mtnlvr55]

Those kinds of flowers have been used in LA too if memory serves.

Perhaps because they are props which they bring with them.

They bring all those lanterns, vases, flowers, candles,  window curtains, and other things to every location.  What about the wall coloring, do they change that too.  I see the wall coloring matches the mansion, the curtain, the vases, the candles, the lanterns.  That's a heck of a lot of luggage. :Smiley: 

Do they ever go back to the mansion? It's a rented location and I doubt they would re-rent the mansion to do a few ITM PIs. More likely they would go to a sound stage to get the interviews done--if they are done post show.

[2observe]

So we know that Nikki has the LCD night before the FRC….what are the statistics of F1 being the one to see the lead before the FRC….isn't that a sure thing also…..any one have those statistics

What makes you think that Nikki's is last???  

[Mirzam]

So we know that Nikki has the LCD night before the FRC….what are the statistics of F1 being the one to see the lead before the FRC….isn't that a sure thing also…..any one have those statistics

What makes you think that Nikki's is last???  

In her ITM (in the deleted scene) she said (might not be word for word):

.... but there is somebody else here and that is the reality if TOMORROW he says he thinks I'm great, but it is not with with me, I would be heartbroken and angry.

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