Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

[Aunties_Love]

Those kinds of flowers have been used in LA too if memory serves.

Perhaps because they are props which they bring with them.

They bring all those lanterns, vases, flowers, candles, window curtains, and other things to every location. What about the wall coloring, do they change that too. I see the wall coloring matches the mansion, the curtain, the vases, the candles, the lanterns. That's a heck of a lot of luggage. :Smiley: 

[Aunties_Love]

Maybe I didn't catch something in the Clare one but it didn't seem that bad. She's the one who said something about playing it at their wedding but he didn't respond. The only thing I saw him sing to her was "baby".  With Nikki he was singing along almost like "wink wink".  It was very straightforward if indeed she's the f1 as I believe.

ITA….but the body language to me is just off on Nikki's part first and then JuanP….just holding hand and singing to the face with Nikki not even going in for a kiss etc…..that is not an edit issue on body language, that is personality coming through….I am definitely a touchy feeling type of gal and him singing to my face would bug me and I would want to make out to the song not watch him….  

Ithought it was more intimate than kissing, he held her hand and was singinging to her while his face was like in her face. I'd bet there was a lot of kissing afterwards andhe just wanted that moment to sing/ say what his heart wasfeeling

Maybe so, but the body language just wasn't as intimate as in Clare's. Heck, the guy was very open and receptive, very hands on with Clare, and the intimacy in that one was off the charts.

[Guest]

here's the lyrics jp sings to Nikki "but I wasn't expecting it so soon, but love comes quickly when it's meant to be, every broken heart every tear I cried *cuts to pi of her* so let me tell you why cause you're the only one for me"
ummm... game over imo ;)

[Guest]

Just a thought!... what if he chose the song for Nikki, heck even wrote it for her and sang it himself... and then the producers made him choose the song for Clare to even the playing field and not make it so obvious? Anything is possible in the producer's devious minds.

[4health]

Does anyone know that song on Nikki and JP's video….he says I am playing a song for you…..and if you listen closely it is really matched exactly what he has been through, when he winks he sings with the song "love again" and talks about broken hearts, and tears that were cried…man it truly just might fit exactly to the bachelor situation…..but I would love to compare the songs…..just for fun….but I don't know this song HELP…..

The only thing with Clare's song is that it has been played and chosen by him twice signifying their first date song….that would differently mean something as "their song" not "her song"….and he says "WE started like that"….but he is trying to say something to Nikki also with the song her choose for her……could it be he stating yes "you are the one for me" or he could say to her the next day he found that one for him and that he was expressing that she will love again….I don't know it is crazy….but I am of the opinion that "You are the one for me" is the true point he is trying to convey…..so if you know where I can find the lyrics, name of song would be great.

[JBF]

So you can't just look at the edit or the screencaps or social media as a single clue but you have to consider all the clues that come together as a whole.  So taking into consideration all of the clues that point to one girl or the other, who comes out the most likely F1?  Any ideas.....in the past several posters on here have made a list of pros and cons as to why one contestant is F1 over the other but I haven't seen one this season.  If it has already been discussed, someone please point me in that direction.  Thanks.

Yeah... we needed The List this season. Then again, you are asking a HUGE question that this forum can't agree on... and once Juan chooses the one that a particular side doesn't want to "win", prepare for an endless stream of posts about "Why Juan and THAT lady will DEFINITELY break up next week".

Yet... if you want to start by the "clues" one at a time, you can start with my last post on the screencap thread... and compare screenshots of the EW outtakes. (Also already covered each lady in meaty posts on the Edit thread this week. What HE says of each in his voice-overs and private interviews are important.)

[Mirzam]

Yeah... we needed The List this season. Then again, you are asking a HUGE question that this forum can't agree on... and once Juan chooses the one that a particular side doesn't want to "win", prepare for an endless stream of posts about "Why Juan and THAT lady will DEFINITELY break up next week".

Yet... if you want to start by the "clues" one at a time, you can start with my last post on the screencap thread... and compare screenshots of the EW outtakes. (Also already covered each lady in meaty posts on the Edit thread this week. What HE says of each in his voice-overs and private interviews are important.)

Personally, I would say those are very soft clues, and are subject to production mis-direction and personal bias. Hard clues, like time stamps on FRC photographs are much more convincing to me.

[Guest]

So you can't just look at the edit or the screencaps or social media as a single clue but you have to consider all the clues that come together as a whole.  So taking into consideration all of the clues that point to one girl or the other, who comes out the most likely F1?  Any ideas.....in the past several posters on here have made a list of pros and cons as to why one contestant is F1 over the other but I haven't seen one this season.  If it has already been discussed, someone please point me in that direction.  Thanks.

Here's a list we made back on Feb. 18th. I'd add to that the recent song to Nikki that she's the only one for him with his big exaggerated wink and the time stamps.

Would one of you believers that Nikki is F1 being willing to layout specifically why you think so? I'm open minded to the position that Clare might not be F1, but as I've said before, Clare is the only one I feel like I, personally, can make a strong argument for. (Not because I want her to be...I really don't care.)

Maybe I haven't been listening, but I feel like I keep reading reason's why Clare can't be F1 as opposed to specific reasons why Nikki is. I'm completely open to some solid reasoning, but I think I've missed it if it's being posted. If it's already been written up (in the non-spoiler threads), can you tell me where? If it's in the spoiler threads, can someone copy it and PM it to me? TIA

Here's a start, but I'm sure other things have been mentioned that I'm forgetting at the moment.

Nikki:
1. Her lack of exposure in the first preview.
2. His first reaction to seeing her out of the limo and later his delight over the fact that she's a nurse.
3. "Nikki is just Nikki" I see bashfulness on both their parts that is not there with others.
4. Hidden make-out in the cave.
5. "Watch out Nikki"
6. Have you seen her bod?
7. She's either has a big ego or has reason to be extremely confident in this.
8. She met Camilla and his family.

Equally compelling
1. Clare's over exposure in the first preview.
2. JP likes that Sharleen is worldy and Clare is the opposite of that.
3. JP- is it spelled Claire or Clare?? (He misspelled her name on twitter)
4. the "Mistake"!!!
5. her interview to follow that.
6. Clare's getting the physical edit like many F2's before her.

Great post! I'll add to it:

1. Nikki's career ... he really seemed to be very impressed with her being pediatric nurse. I thought he put her on pedastal in early episodes and was in awe that someone with her looks/BODY (!!) could have such a rewarding and nurturing career.

2. Camilla ... he's looking for step mom for his daughter too and a good influence. I believe that he thinks Nurse Nikki would be both or would not have introduced her.

3. His ex wife is a model and that could be intimidating to many women so need someone capable of not falling to pieces every time they all meet up for events like recital. Nikki is/was (?) model too so she might be better candidate ( at least in his mind).

4. Group date roses ... didn't Nikki get two?

5. This is Bachelor not Bachelorette. Some posters are trying to reason that Clare fits better in his Latin culture world or is most comfortable with couch time. I think Bachelor picks more aspirationally ... the one he puts on a pedastal and is a bit in awe of, which may be why it rarely works.
- Ben picked his model and remember how stoked he was at meet and greet to see her.
- Brad picked Emily even though Chantal would have slid right into his world (and I was among posters who did not buy spoiler)
- Andy picked Tessa who had her doubts vs. Bevin whom he made out with all season
- Jerry picked his nurse instead
- And Jason initially picked more aspirationally or his vision of his f1 before realizing it was Mollie all along.

I also have to add that I have grown to respect Nikki and.love that she left room instead of listening to Clare second guess why Andi got rose.
Andi has long been my favorite ... but not for Juan Pablo ... so if Andi enjoys her company, good enough for me. I would be sick of hanging with Clare too who is the very opposite of "mundo" in having never traveled or even willing to try octopus.

 Nikki has been on my short list ever since he put his fist in his mouth after she passed him by after limo intro. He thinks she is smoking hot and excellent step mommy material with her love for kids. I think she is f1 and has been ever since their 1-on-1. She is a nurse and model ... You can't get better than that.

[bachfan789]

Has anyone made any cute videos of Juan and Nikki? like to a romantic song  :bigsmile: 

[clueless]

Thanks everyone for the response!

[Guest]

So you can't just look at the edit or the screencaps or social media as a single clue but you have to consider all the clues that come together as a whole.  So taking into consideration all of the clues that point to one girl or the other, who comes out the most likely F1?  Any ideas.....in the past several posters on here have made a list of pros and cons as to why one contestant is F1 over the other but I haven't seen one this season.  If it has already been discussed, someone please point me in that direction.  Thanks.

Yeah... we needed The List this season. Then again, you are asking a HUGE question that this forum can't agree on... and once Juan chooses the one that a particular side doesn't want to "win", prepare for an endless stream of posts about "Why Juan and THAT lady will DEFINITELY break up next week".

Yet... if you want to start by the "clues" one at a time, you can start with my last post on the screencap thread... and compare screenshots of the EW outtakes. (Also already covered each lady in meaty posts on the Edit thread this week. What HE says of each in his voice-overs and private interviews are important.)

Does anyone really care who he chooses at this point? I want the F1 to be Clare and still can't put the pieces together to see that happening. Clare's song got trumped by Nikki's song. The only question mark for me are those PIs for Clare. Could those point to a Mesnick?

[Maggenzm]

Maybe I didn't catch something in the Clare one but it didn't seem that bad. She's the one who said something about playing it at their wedding but he didn't respond. The only thing I saw him sing to her was "baby".  With Nikki he was singing along almost like "wink wink".  It was very straightforward if indeed she's the f1 as I believe.

  and Jp sang the words "you're the only one for me" then kind of winked at her. way to lead a girl on if he didn't intend on picking her the following day. btw anyone know the name of the song he played for Nikki? rooting for hometown girl till the end team Nikki

She is the one though, I am 100% sure, she is so comparable to him. he wont be make her cry, for sure.

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