Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

[Guest]

So the drama that jps cousin was talking about is about Clare like many of us thought. Clare=drama, Nikki=love 

there is always a little drama with the ladies….usually with the F1, remember Brad 2.0 and Emily LCD it didn't go well.  

But, jps cousin said Drama with one of the woman and love with another woman IIRC. So the drama part would refer to Clare leaving the love for Nikki jmo

[LibbyBell]

4h, I missed it....who said 5 videos and when?
I've seen them but didn't know they had been promises by someone.

Could the times when Clare is talking about be from the FS but they are choosing to have her reflect about it now as they show the helicopter?

I can't imagine what he could have said that would have been so offensive as they are getting out of a helicopter.....her shorts we're too short and she looked like a hootchie?!? (JK, I don't think they are too short and she looks fine, I'm just trying to come up with something that would hurt feelings!)

[jlccaz]

My guess is she puts on her ugly turquoise dress, cuts him off before he can talk, and dumps him because he isn't for her, which explains why it wasn't a spoiler to put the Walk-Out photo with Harrison on abcmedianet. Yes, she leaves, and leaves first, but not as a rejectee. SO, the remaining suspense this year is not "which girl will he choose", but "will any girls want him" in the end. That fits as the unifying theme for the season, the press campaign, and all of it.

Clare dumping JP fits with her facial expressions and carriage in all those photos.

[Ariela]

My guess is she puts on her ugly turquoise dress, cuts him off before he can talk, and dumps him because he isn't for her, which explains why it wasn't a spoiler to put the Walk-Out photo with Harrison on abcmedianet.  Yes, she leaves, and leaves first, but not as a rejectee.  SO, the remaining suspense this year is not "which girl will he choose", but "will any girls want him" in the end.  That fits as the unifying theme for the season, the press campaign, and all of it.  

Clare dumping JP fits with her facial expressions and carriage in all those photos.  

If both would dump him, that would be epic!

[4health]

So the drama that jps cousin was talking about is about Clare like many of us thought. Clare=drama, Nikki=love 

there is always a little drama with the ladies….usually with the F1, remember Brad 2.0 and Emily LCD it didn't go well.  

But, jps cousin said Drama with one of the woman and love with another woman IIRC. So the drama part would refer to Clare leaving the love for Nikki jmo

or the drama is the reaction of the F2 (either Clare or Nikki) and the love is that he actually does propose. Absolutely nothing to do with the drama Clare is talking about in that sneak peek….Clare and JP obviously solve the issue Clare is talking about in the helicopter….they end up on the top of the mountain hugging and kissing ……..Clare questions JP in the LCD about if he know her well enough for his decision….then we saw how that all ended in the deleted scene…..so drama solved bring on the FRC…..that's when the true drama will happen

[2observe]

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well, well, well!

And there is the D-R-A-M-A we are promised.  

So are we getting another "Andi" with Clare???  :shocked!:    Clare's words sounded alot like Andi's during her FD drama. So, maybe Clare leaves on her own like Andi. Who knows

[4health]

4h, I missed it....who said 5 videos and when?
I've seen them but didn't know they had been promises by someone.

Could the times when Clare is talking about be from the FS but they are choosing to have her reflect about it now as they show the helicopter?

I can't imagine what he could have said that would have been so offensive as they are getting out of a helicopter.....her shorts we're too short and she looked like a hootchie?!? (JK, I don't think they are too short and she looks fine, I'm just trying to come up with something that would hurt feelings!)

When they release the first video it reads:All right Bachelor fans: We are five days away from what ABC is promising will be an explosive and contentious season finale. To celebrate, we thought we’d start the fireworks early and show you some of the scenes that got cut from this season’s roller coaster ride of love. Starting now and going through Monday, we will release a new, never-before-seen deleted scene each day. Buckle up, rose lovers: This ride isn’t over yet!

So through Monday and five days until, I was thinking 5 videos….RIGHT

[atem]

My guess is she puts on her ugly turquoise dress, cuts him off before he can talk, and dumps him because he isn't for her, which explains why it wasn't a spoiler to put the Walk-Out photo with Harrison on abcmedianet.  Yes, she leaves, and leaves first, but not as a rejectee.  SO, the remaining suspense this year is not "which girl will he choose", but "will any girls want him" in the end.  That fits as the unifying theme for the season, the press campaign, and all of it.  

Clare dumping JP fits with her facial expressions and carriage in all those photos.  

If both would dump him, that would be epic!

Never going to happen and I don't buy Clare dumping him.

[jlccaz]

I actually love that the producers have gotten so much more sophisticated in terms of integrating cast and production use of social media, fake leaks, tabloids, head fakes, co-operation from Kimmel et al, to regain control of their own ending/outcome show.

This show works best when there is suspense until the end. We know they care about it --- they sued Steve Carbone twice trying to put a lid on his sources.

Now, they beat him at his own game a few times (Big Time last season), which restores doubt to the outcome to some extent.

Trashing JP, making it seem that no girl should want him, can EQUALLY be a way to manage a disappointing No Romance season, OR alternatively to keep fans guessing and hoping for a surprise love ending.

They've gotten so much better over the last five years, by integrating social media into the promotion of the show week to week (as opposed to banning use of MySpace or Facebook, etc.) As someone who plays in that space professionally, I respect it.

[atem]

Can you guys recap for us please ?

It's the scene where Clare and Jpaps are in the helicopter and there are no mics and cameras for a moment. Clare says he tells her something no woman wants to hear. It was offensive and insulting to her. Later she is shown in that pink top on the evening portion of the LCD telling him there is something she wants to talk to him about and JP gives her a confused look. That's all they show. Leaves us wondering what he said.

Is there really a time when there isnt a mic or camera except the fantasy suite? I am inclined to not believe her sorry. Every helicopter ride has been with both cameras and mics, and suddenly this is an exception?   

What story?

[Guest]

Any guesses?

With no cameras, nobody is there with us. And -- Juan Pablo leaned over and whispered something to me. He chose to tell me something that no woman wants to hear.

It was insulting. It was offensive. And -- it just made me feel awful.

Maybe he tells her she will be his mistress.    We know Jpaps can't handle confrontation, so when she brings whatever it is up later, it won't go well.

[Guest]

Any guesses?

With no cameras, nobody is there with us. And -- Juan Pablo leaned over and whispered something to me. He chose to tell me something that no woman wants to hear.

It was insulting. It was offensive. And -- it just made me feel awful.

Maybe he tells her she will be his mistress.    We know Jpaps can't handle confrontation, so when she brings whatever it is up later, it won't go well.

I'm sure he told her: you will be my little package forever, hun!! LoL

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