*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussions

They travel with a bunch of stuff including pillows, vases, candles, and material and/or curtains and usually set up a staged area to do PIs. Perhaps they needed to use the blue curtain to take out some of the light?

They're definitely hiding Nikki as much as possible in the previews. Could be a clue she's the f1.

I don't think there are any patterns on who is F1 via deleted scenes, etc.

nd4reality wrote:ITA that the time travel caps are the most confusing of this season and come monday we will get that clarity.

However to your other point, keeping with the trend of the entire season, Nikki has been more hidden in terms of previews and released stuff so it is not confusing that her scenes are not released at the end either.

Sorry nd, don't mean to do this to your post, but you brought up something that I was thinking of.  What I was wondering about is when have we seen a possible F1 be THIS hidden.  Even in previews in past seasons, the preview itself is laid out in a way to show the F1.  This season, not so much IF Nikki is the F1.

The other thing that is perplexing, we have the season preview video.  On that video, we have ID'd or heard the voice overs except this one: "I hope Juan Pablo dies".  I haven't heard that said this season and with Clare's accent, I can't hear her saying it.  Could it be Nikki?  





Another thing that is giving me pause.  The picture of Clare on the beach after she came off the boat.  The amount of footprints in the sand that look like a pointed toe shoe with a heel that has sunk into the ground...I know, this will seem like wild speculation, but gimme a sec here.  What if it is her returning??  What if she is the F1 and after knowing that, was escorted off onto a boat to await Nikki's arrival?  

I know I keep bringing up these "what if's" that could be looked at as wild speculation, but isn't that half the fun.  Bring up ideas and bounce them off one another??


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atem wrote:

nd4reality wrote:ITA that the time travel caps are the most confusing of this season and come monday we will get that clarity.

However to your other point, keeping with the trend of the entire season, Nikki has been more hidden in terms of previews and released stuff so it is not confusing that her scenes are not released at the end either.

Wasn't that true of JP of Ashley's season?

I thought he was seen in the preview quite a few times from a distance with Ashley.

There is a website that is like a bachelor game type website. It was promoted on abcnews and there is a video of it. It have grown in the last couple season…they have over 18,000 subscribers/participates and they have Nikki as final one….I don't see her being hidden during the season….the preview she is all over it also….but hey Clare is the chemistry edit but posters here don't see it with JP and Clare, just doesn't make since….

notarose wrote:

nd4reality wrote:ITA that the time travel caps are the most confusing of this season and come monday we will get that clarity.

However to your other point, keeping with the trend of the entire season, Nikki has been more hidden in terms of previews and released stuff so it is not confusing that her scenes are not released at the end either.

Agree, Clare dominated preseason & most episode previews and keeps popping up during episodes.  Nikki had the shortest hometown edit and because her preview/sneak peak time is often limited we seem to always have to wait to see Nikki.  

Still can't get over the amount of minutes Andi got in the FS preview and when the episode aired. That really was the only time Clare wasn't prominent.

Okay, but then my question is why are TPTB doing that...why have they spent the entire season pushing Clare in our faces and hiding Nikki? If it's so obvious that it's Clare, why wouldn't TPTB want to make it more of a horse race, so to speak? That doesn't make sense to me either. What's the point?

I stand by what I posted earlier today -- if Juan Pablo ends up dumping Clare at the FRC, I think he has a lot of explaining to do regarding his behavior with Clare at the LCD. Why lead her on like that? Why play "their" song? What's he going to say to Nikki after she sees his behavior just days (hours?) before he chooses her, if indeed Nikki is F1?

This kind of BL, I think, can be explained to Clare. He wasn't all over Nikki in the shots we have...again, it just doesn't make sense to me. If Nikki is F1, I wouldn't want to be in Juan's shoes. (Heh, I can hear the Nikki fans saying, "If Clare is F1, I wouldn't want to be in Juan's shoes either."...so I'll save you the post.   )

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Time stamps .. Time stamps .. Time stamps .......

4health wrote:There is a website that is like a bachelor game type website.  It was promoted on abcnews and there is a video of it.  It have grown in the last couple season…they have over 18,000 subscribers/participates and they have Nikki as final one….I don't see her being hidden during the season….the preview she is all over it also….but hey Clare is the chemistry edit but posters here don't see it with JP and Clare, just doesn't make since….

To me, when I say Nikki is hidden i am referring to in previews (she appeared but not as much as Andi, Clare, and Sharleen did) so I had to wait until the episode airs to see what happened. As the number of girls diminished she appeared more often but Clare's scenes do seem to get more preview time.
The "connection" to me has never been hidden between JP and either girl. What is different is the relationship which makes sense because the girls are very different.

Litta123 wrote:

notarose wrote:

nd4reality wrote:ITA that the time travel caps are the most confusing of this season and come monday we will get that clarity.

However to your other point, keeping with the trend of the entire season, Nikki has been more hidden in terms of previews and released stuff so it is not confusing that her scenes are not released at the end either.

Agree, Clare dominated preseason & most episode previews and keeps popping up during episodes.  Nikki had the shortest hometown edit and because her preview/sneak peak time is often limited we seem to always have to wait to see Nikki.  

Still can't get over the amount of minutes Andi got in the FS preview and when the episode aired. That really was the only time Clare wasn't prominent.

Okay, but then my question is why are TPTB doing that...why have they spent the entire season pushing Clare in our faces and hiding Nikki? If it's so obvious that it's Clare, why wouldn't TPTB want to make it more of a horse race, so to speak? That doesn't make sense to me either. What's the point?

I stand by what I posted earlier today -- if Juan Pablo ends up dumping Clare at the FRC, I think he has a lot of explaining to do regarding his behavior with Clare at the LCD. Why lead her on like that? Why play "their" song? What's he going to say to Nikki after she sees his behavior just days (hours?) before he chooses her, if indeed Nikki is F1?

This kind of BL, I think, can be explained to Clare. He wasn't all over Nikki in the shots we have...again, it just doesn't make sense to me. If Nikki is F1, I wouldn't want to be in Juan's shoes. (Heh, I can hear the Nikki fans saying, "If Clare is F1, I wouldn't want to be in Juan's shoes either."...so I'll save you the post.   )

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I love ya Litta….but I do have to say that we just maybe we will get LCD video of Juan and Nikki tomorrow…..it looks like to me Nikki's white dress/nightie  :hiding chair has her worried for the first time all season. JuanP might be the bachelor like Andy was and say love ya to both or make each of them feel like they are F1….we just don't know yet. Either spoilers are wrong or the spoilers are right….I see it can both ways.

I mentioned a while back about my daughter and my 83 year old mother…they are un spoiled and I enjoy asking them their thoughts. Both of them have picked the F1 in every season since Andy's (Brad 1.0 even) and they like JP with Clare but feels that he just might pick Nikki because of her meeting his child. They don't get on the internet to see the videos, sneak peeks etc. My daughter today said "have you heard that JP is being called the worst bachelor ever, I think it is because of Andi, she did a number on him, but I think he handled her well. I really like JP." So, we just don't know...

glazedover wrote:

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Jeepers wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

Jeepers wrote:

And in an exclusive deleted scene, we see Juan Pablo surprise Clare by playing it on his phone, a move that makes her tear up and proclaim, “We should just play it when we get married.”

The overly zealous comment of an F2

I guess if you were inclined to view it one way, that could be it.  I just feel that there is too much post show coming out(media, tweets, etc) that points to Clare being F1 to be ignored.  Also, the edit throughout the season also points to Clare as F1.

In your humble opinion.....

Isn't every opinion on here valuable??

You betcha!

I also cannot decide which lady will be the "winner" (such a prize....) this season and although spoiled, don't feel as if any of us are at this point. It's a real toss-up. Don't even know if I hope either one has a relationship going forward with JPa. He is seeming pretty iffy to me as husband material. I consider the season a success because the entertainment value is very high!

It sure has been fun with all of you this season. Thanks for such a great time!

I am really TeamJuan because I can't chose. I am 80% Claire cus of the edit, but don't think she is a match, and 50% Nikki, but I think they have a chance of making it cus she is very solid and will stick with the commitment. I am not sure Clare will stick with commitment if chosen. She is too emotional IMO.

Jeepers wrote:Time stamps .. Time stamps .. Time stamps .......

I am with you on that one thing…….so if that is a sure thing, slam dunk hint then great…..but it doesn't change the fact that it is a different season for sleuthing then ever before. The videos right before a finale the social media, the hate being shared in different camps (Nikki vs Clare) is making this a weird season. I am okay if the timestamps are a true indicator of the results for F1 but it is always a chance we could have been fooled….(a mock FRC photos or a scheduled photo shot but the real FRC was done the next day etc) There are a lot of possibilitiies that is fun to speculate….

Jeepers wrote:Time stamps .. Time stamps .. Time stamps .......

I am sorry, but they may not mean anything if we don't have the WHOLE story laid out. As I see it, ANYTHING is still possible. The thing that went through my mind...what if Clare arrived before Nikki(time stamps) but it was actually Nikki that is supposed to arrive before Clare. Chris takes Clare away(other time stamp) and Juan deals with Nikki, then when she is brought back, they get back together.