*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussions

I am spoiled but I'm always trying to prove it wrong…..so a certain person will go away and we can get back to the love of sleuthing and SC analysis…..so I am 100% Nikki is the last woman and received the last rose………a true beautiful love story and they find each other or they are "soul mates" 100% sure that is not the case.

   he pulled a mesnick
right there at FRC. Common JP entertain ME.

95% - He picks Nikki and he does not propose at the FRC.  AND I am hoping that there is not a proposal at all, including the ATFR.  If he does, I will be disappointed in JuanPa.  From what they have showed us so far, no way are any of them ready for a "forever after".  
5% - He leaves alone.....which in my opinion is the best overall choice this season.

Litta123 wrote:I am 60-40 Clare. It's that PI in her FRC outfit that appears to be in LA that has me moving off the fence. If #teamnikki can give me a reasonable explanation or show me I'm wrong about it being post-filming, I'll go back to the fence.

I am team nobody but I do agree that those PIs that we think are filmed post season (I think throughout our sleuthing there have been more than just 1 questionable SC) is the main reason I had put (see my detailed post elsewhere) 20% possible for Clare to be F1.

97% Nikki, 3% Clare, 15% that Nikki does not choose Juan because she doesn't feel he's truly ready for a committed relationship, & 35% he proposes to Nikki ATFR since they have had time outside of the Bachelor bubble.  Nikki's first 1 on 1 date was about things that Juan has been interested in which gave Nikki a change to get to know more about him.  I don't know if anyone noticed Juan and Nikki's conversation during the M&G, but they decided to try and figure it out. To me that is a "key" to what we are seeing in their conversations.  They are still trying to figure out how to make their relationship work in the real world.  IMO, that is why Juan introduced Nikki to Camile, her mom and his parents.  He wanted to know if she could see herself fitting with his lifestyle.  As for Clare, I totally agree with ND and her assessment of her journey.  Clare's 1 on 1 dates reminds me so much of the very public longest kiss date (was it Sean's first 1 on 1 with Lindsey?) and Brooks over the top 1 on 1 date.  They both felt very producer driven.

mrsbatonmom wrote:95% - He picks Nikki and he does not propose at the FRC.  AND I am hoping that there is not a proposal at all, including the ATFR.  If he does, I will be disappointed in JuanPa.  From what they have showed us so far, no way are any of them ready for a "forever after".  
5% - He leaves alone.....which in my opinion is the best overall choice this season.

Just curious and I don't really care either way but why would it be so terrible for him to propose to someone at the ATFR if he has dated them for over 3 months secretly ? Over 20 seasons of B and B'ette combined have ended up with a proposal (when previously dating and actively making out with multiple other people days prior) going south quickly so why is JP singled out as not being ready for forever ?

WTA audience preditions: (is one of these correct and tptb gave us a hint)

1- Nikki #1 (Clare is emotional - F2 reaction over the top)
2 - Clare wants to be mom - really doesn't see that in Nikki
3 - I don't know - if he picks either
4 - Both girls feels that he isn't fully committed YET
5 - Seems like he is going to pick one - good chemistry
6 - Pull a Brad Womack and pic neither
7 - Pick one of the girls (won't say who) and he doesn't propose and she is expecting it

They put these in there for a reason, selected them for a reason….which one has never happened, a surprise, a twist or whatever CH and JP have mentioned…so the one that hasn't happened I believe is both girls #4….if Clare asks him do you feel that you know me well enough to make your decision could be her realizing he isn't ready for this and Nikki has VO about the negative things but just might not see he is ready……just having some fun…..

nd4reality wrote:

mrsbatonmom wrote:95% - He picks Nikki and he does not propose at the FRC.  AND I am hoping that there is not a proposal at all, including the ATFR.  If he does, I will be disappointed in JuanPa.  From what they have showed us so far, no way are any of them ready for a "forever after".  
5% - He leaves alone.....which in my opinion is the best overall choice this season.

Just curious and I don't really care either way but why would it be so terrible for him to propose to someone at the ATFR if he has dated them for over 3 months secretly ? Over 20 seasons of B and B'ette combined have ended up with a proposal (when previously dating and actively making out with multiple other people days prior) going south quickly so why is JP singled out as not being ready for forever ?

Not singling out JuanPa......In reality how much "dating" has been done in the 3 months? Even with 2 or 3 safe house visits each month over the last 3 months....that makes 6-9 dates and not actually in the real world. I just really hate the whole premise of an engagement at the end......I don't think any of them should walk away engaged after the lead has been dating multiple people. The only time I really felt like I was watching a couple truly fall in love on the show was Ashley and JP. I do believe that Chris/Des and Sean/Catherine all fell in love after the show....just wish they ALL would have waited for the proposal.....but that is just me.

mrsbatonmom wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

mrsbatonmom wrote:95% - He picks Nikki and he does not propose at the FRC.  AND I am hoping that there is not a proposal at all, including the ATFR.  If he does, I will be disappointed in JuanPa.  From what they have showed us so far, no way are any of them ready for a "forever after".  
5% - He leaves alone.....which in my opinion is the best overall choice this season.

Just curious and I don't really care either way but why would it be so terrible for him to propose to someone at the ATFR if he has dated them for over 3 months secretly ? Over 20 seasons of B and B'ette combined have ended up with a proposal (when previously dating and actively making out with multiple other people days prior) going south quickly so why is JP singled out as not being ready for forever ?

Not singling out JuanPa......In reality how much "dating" has been done in the 3 months?  Even with 2 or 3 safe house visits each month over the last 3 months....that makes 6-9 dates and not actually in the real world.  I just really hate the whole premise of an engagement at the end......I don't think any of them should walk away engaged after the lead has been dating multiple people.  The only time I really felt like I was watching a couple truly fall in love on the show was Ashley and JP.  I do believe that Chris/Des and Sean/Catherine all fell in love after the show....just wish they ALL would have waited for the proposal.....but that is just me.

  

OT, but I can imagine Jake and Vienna are having flashbacks from their season in St. Lucia.   

100% he pick Nikki but he doedn't propose at the FRC. 75% that he propose on ATFR. I believe they are still together because of he and Nikki's tweets, what doesn't break you, makes you stronger. I wasn't sure Nikki was in love but looking at her these last two episode and the preview, she seem to be very serious. If he does propose I think it will be because he is sure about it.

So okay the SC are at getty images and you can see it enlarged….the picture that is timestamped 11:34 when Clare is walking with CH…..she is not crying she is looking down kind of with a smirk and she does not have shoes in her hands. She is also not walking on the beach she is walking a different direction and area because of the rock stone ….. so I just hope that Mr. Write will take a look at that picture and place where they are walking…..she is having to be walked a different direction or place so she does't run into Nikki……man I wish I knew how to do SC on here.