*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussions

nd4reality wrote:

mrsbatonmom wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

mrsbatonmom wrote:95% - He picks Nikki and he does not propose at the FRC.  AND I am hoping that there is not a proposal at all, including the ATFR.  If he does, I will be disappointed in JuanPa.  From what they have showed us so far, no way are any of them ready for a "forever after".  
5% - He leaves alone.....which in my opinion is the best overall choice this season.

Just curious and I don't really care either way but why would it be so terrible for him to propose to someone at the ATFR if he has dated them for over 3 months secretly ? Over 20 seasons of B and B'ette combined have ended up with a proposal (when previously dating and actively making out with multiple other people days prior) going south quickly so why is JP singled out as not being ready for forever ?

Not singling out JuanPa......In reality how much "dating" has been done in the 3 months?  Even with 2 or 3 safe house visits each month over the last 3 months....that makes 6-9 dates and not actually in the real world.  I just really hate the whole premise of an engagement at the end......I don't think any of them should walk away engaged after the lead has been dating multiple people.  The only time I really felt like I was watching a couple truly fall in love on the show was Ashley and JP.  I do believe that Chris/Des and Sean/Catherine all fell in love after the show....just wish they ALL would have waited for the proposal.....but that is just me.

  

4health wrote:So okay the SC are at getty images and you can see it enlarged….the picture that is timestamped 11:34 when Clare is walking with CH…..she is not crying she is looking down kind of with a smirk and she does not have shoes in her hands.   She is also not walking on the beach she is walking a different direction and area because of the rock stone ….. so I just hope that Mr. Write will take a look at that picture and place where they are walking…..she is having to be walked a different direction or place so she does't run into Nikki……man I wish I knew how to do SC on here.

nd4reality wrote:

mrsbatonmom wrote:95% - He picks Nikki and he does not propose at the FRC.  AND I am hoping that there is not a proposal at all, including the ATFR.  If he does, I will be disappointed in JuanPa.  From what they have showed us so far, no way are any of them ready for a "forever after".  
5% - He leaves alone.....which in my opinion is the best overall choice this season.

Just curious and I don't really care either way but why would it be so terrible for him to propose to someone at the ATFR if he has dated them for over 3 months secretly ? Over 20 seasons of B and B'ette combined have ended up with a proposal (when previously dating and actively making out with multiple other people days prior) going south quickly so why is JP singled out as not being ready for forever ?

Mirzam wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:80-20 Clare for me. The 20 of Nikki on account of FD, JP's blog and suspicious TWs and IGs

I am all in 100% w no proposal, though. ( I just realized that this is the reason why they ridiculously edit Clare as if she is so convinced that he will put a ring on her..lol )

This is my final take ( I think.. :))

I totally respect your opinion, but how do you explain away the time stamps on the FRC photos, without getting into wacky conspiracy theories, given the sleuthing and conclusions that Mr Write has come to wrt to the FRC location logistics etc? Are they not a compelling reason that Nikki is F1? Not to mention scarf-gate LOL.

If I was #TeamClare, at this point I would have thrown in the towel. I am not #TeamNikki either, he picks who he picks (or not). I was a huge Arie fan, but by HTDs it was in your face that Emily picked Jef. I couldn't see any way that Arie was her choice.

nd4reality wrote:60% Nikki pick - again the pro Nikki camp posts together with time stamps and Mr Write from pre-FRC SCs, BTS activities of Nikki flying, Clare's interview with the unanswered questions  and my own conviction of the Season Promo that the F1 is never the featured contestant. That till this season (unless Clare is F1 possibly) has not been wrong. I should know because I always "fall" for the featured contestant and they are never F1 . As most of you know I really don't like Clare and her mannerisms so I have not "fallen" for her like previous seasons so perhaps that will jinx it  . Oh and plus I totally believe Clare has got the physical edit without any real relationship growth other than "poor me I always seem to have some problem to fix" and "daddy issues". Contrast that with each episode Nikki has had a relationship trajectory other than "issues" with JP.

2observe wrote:

JBF wrote:

2observe wrote:I think that the majority of non-spoiled viewers think that Clare is F1, so imo, the viewing audience would be really shocked when she arrives first and gets rejected.  Clare's first 1st 1 on 1 reminded me was so over the top and involved the public.  That always spells F2 to me.

I guessss you are right. After all, I have nothing against Nikki being F1. Just struggling to imagine what ATFR will be like.

I mean... picture this: Juan and Nikki cuddling together on the couch. Enter Chris Harrison sporting his HUGE cheezy grin as he presents their montage of Classic Journey Moments...

...and, by accident, they reel footage of Winter Wonderland hot-tub make-out
...post octopus and choc-O-late make-out
..."Let's not kiss" make-out
...OceanGate make-out ("Oh my gosh! Clare. She’s on fire… en llamas… en llamas. Aye aye aye.")
...New Zealand make-out over a repeat of "I never thought I'd feel this way for another lover of the first degree... Gives me shakes the way she role my sweetest ache she lose control"
...Sacramento park make-out while geese, angry bees and Sammy Squirrel go about their business
...yacht make-out and Juan's "disrobing" of you-know-who
...fantasy date hot-tub make-out
...Andi yelling at him for bringing up Clare on her fantasy date
...and all interspersed with the future Mrs. Galavis voice-overing: "Clare is like a dawg. She peed on him first, like she claimed her territory... and the fact is... she claimed some territory that might not be hers." (By the way, you smell like Heaven In A Bottle, Babe.)

Nikki would be ready.....remember they are brutally honest with each other.  I have no doubt that she knows what went on behind the scenes.    

JBF wrote:

nd4reality wrote:60% Nikki pick - again the pro Nikki camp posts together with time stamps and Mr Write from pre-FRC SCs, BTS activities of Nikki flying, Clare's interview with the unanswered questions  and my own conviction of the Season Promo that the F1 is never the featured contestant. That till this season (unless Clare is F1 possibly) has not been wrong. I should know because I always "fall" for the featured contestant and they are never F1 . As most of you know I really don't like Clare and her mannerisms so I have not "fallen" for her like previous seasons so perhaps that will jinx it  . Oh and plus I totally believe Clare has got the physical edit without any real relationship growth other than "poor me I always seem to have some problem to fix" and "daddy issues". Contrast that with each episode Nikki has had a relationship trajectory other than "issues" with JP.

I don't know what is going on with the FRC, time stamps included. Don't know all of the "conspiracy theories" being discussed. Nikki does not look particularly happy in those shots regardless of the "when".

2observe said something similar to what you posted above, but focusing on Clare's first date instead of promo over-exposure, and I responded in my own silly fashion. Just posting it here, knowing fully well you will disagree with me, but...

I just want you to smile and I want your cheeks to hurt.

2observe wrote:

JBF wrote:

2observe wrote:I think that the majority of non-spoiled viewers think that Clare is F1, so imo, the viewing audience would be really shocked when she arrives first and gets rejected.  Clare's first 1st 1 on 1 reminded me was so over the top and involved the public.  That always spells F2 to me.

I guessss you are right. After all, I have nothing against Nikki being F1. Just struggling to imagine what ATFR will be like.

I mean... picture this: Juan and Nikki cuddling together on the couch. Enter Chris Harrison sporting his HUGE cheezy grin as he presents their montage of Classic Journey Moments...

...and, by accident, they reel footage of Winter Wonderland hot-tub make-out
...post octopus and choc-O-late make-out
..."Let's not kiss" make-out
...OceanGate make-out ("Oh my gosh! Clare. She’s on fire… en llamas… en llamas. Aye aye aye.")
...New Zealand make-out over a repeat of "I never thought I'd feel this way for another lover of the first degree... Gives me shakes the way she role my sweetest ache she lose control"
...Sacramento park make-out while geese, angry bees and Sammy Squirrel go about their business
...yacht make-out and Juan's "disrobing" of you-know-who
...fantasy date hot-tub make-out
...Andi yelling at him for bringing up Clare on her fantasy date
...and all interspersed with the future Mrs. Galavis voice-overing: "Clare is like a dawg. She peed on him first, like she claimed her territory... and the fact is... she claimed some territory that might not be hers." (By the way, you smell like Heaven In A Bottle, Babe.)

Nikki would be ready.....remember they are brutally honest with each other.  I have no doubt that she knows what went on behind the scenes.    

Mommyof1 wrote:Nikki is F1, no proposal at the FRC, but...there could be one on ATFR.